vladasyn
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I crashed New Sonar Platinum
I know some of you did not believe me when I said- I can crash it very soon. Well- it did not make us weight too long. It crashed on simple procedure. Piano roll view. 2 notes were transposed +12, then "Undo", then one of the notes was edited to be D6, and it would show G 6 instead, so I attempted to move the note and it crashed. I have a screen shot, but the forum software wont let me upload it (no options to select), and I don't have URL.
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 00:53:46
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Can you reproduce this in a clean, empty project? If so, submit a problem report. Every time I have gone to the trouble of preparing a set of instructions to show the problem, and submitted it via this link, the bug has been addressed by Cakewalk.
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 00:58:27
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After restart Piano Roll still not working. The notes entered do not match the visual representation on keyboard. Other words, if I click mouse on the key A5, it actually plays Eb7, and if I right click on the note, it shows Eb7 in the box, while visual picture is that note corresponds to A5 on keyboard. May be if I restart computer and not just Sonar, it will get better, but this is annoying. This is 3rd session after the upgrade. Last night I spent my entire time fixing MIDI echo triggering wrong midi ch, tonight- Piano roll crashed Sonar. How not to be frustrated? I do not have time to spend day after day to fix it. We pay money for it to work. Another $150 and it still not working.
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 01:00:38
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Stickman, I do not know if it will reproduce it. I have a picture of it happening. I can take another picture of it showing wrong notes. I am sure if I work more with it, it will crash again. Unstable program does not crash consistently. It becomes unstable and acts unpredictable.
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 01:07:39
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Here- it just crashed again after Copy/Paste midi notes. Copy/Paste was involved first time, but the 2nd crash is after restart of Sonar and not the computer, so it must be still unstable. Need to restart computer itself.
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 01:26:38
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There could be an issue with zoom magnification levels in PRV. Check out this post. See if it is related to your issue.
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vladasyn
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 01:27:58
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Ok- the Piano Roll showing wrong notes on the roll is reproducible after computer full restart. It related to freezing software instrument and then unfreezing and attempting to change notes. After it unfreezes, it shows keyboard not aligned with the greed. If somebody can submit it to the bug report, please, do so. I already spent whole evening dealing with it. It is a bed time. Thank you.
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 01:39:28
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Thank you for posting other thread. I do not see any difference in the size of zoom. It just not showing right notes, looks exactly the same. One way or another- there is a problem- we not suppose to try to allign keyboard all the time- it should stay there. I am aware how hard it can be to some time alight a picture in word document or on the web page, but this is new issue- it was not happening with X3.
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vladasyn
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 16:29:32
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It still not solved, you know...
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 16:32:13
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Ouch. I hope this is not true for everyone. This is major!
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 16:42:02
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You should open a support ticket, they won't fix it if you post it here...
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 16:59:17
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Yeah, I just entered it to the bug report from the link above. Hope they able to reproduce it.
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 17:08:58
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vladasyn Ok- the Piano Roll showing wrong notes on the roll is reproducible after computer full restart. It related to freezing software instrument and then unfreezing and attempting to change notes. After it unfreezes, it shows keyboard not aligned with the greed.
Please try this please with a brand new project. If it is reproducible at your end then far more specific steps will probably be needed like this example (always start from a brand new project): http://forum.cakewalk.com/The-last-event-cont-event-rolls-off-the-clip-when-the-clip-is-moved-Confirmed-by-CW-m3004953.aspx#3004953 vladasyn If somebody can submit it to the bug report, please, do so. I already spent whole evening dealing with it. It is a bed time. Thank you.
You can submit a problem report here: https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Contact/Problem-Report You are probably better off contacting Cakewalk support if nobody else can reproduce. If somebody else can reproduce the issue with Platinum I or another host will also move this issue to the problem reports forum, if you give very specific steps so this is very easy to reproduce , then this is more likely to happen. Thanks.. (Update: I see you have submitted a problem report thanks, could you also paste the issue number here please...).
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 20:20:54
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Alex, why should I start in the new project? The point is that it became unstable in given point of the project. I can not recreate all the steps that were ever taken in this project again to reproduce it. Also if it happens in one project, it means, it happens. We should not give it excuses, like, "Oh, this does not count because it had software synth inserted. This does not count because it already had a drum track..." The bottom line- I should be able to do all operations I did without causing it to crash and become unstable. If it not happening in another project does not mean that it is ok for it to happen in this project and we should overlook it. Too many problems get overlooked this way. There is no "ideal' environment. If you testing a car, you not going to keep it in the lab, you will take it to the road test. Well- New Sonar is unstable when used. It is not our job to take it to the lab again. We do not get paid for it. We pay for it to work.
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 20:29:53
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 20:31:10
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☄ Helpfulby stratman70 2015/01/23 20:37:57
vladasyn Alex, why should I start in the new project?
If you want the issue to be fixed by developers they need steps to reproduce your issue. The way to do that is give steps from a new project. Otherwise it is a wild goose chase, anything could be the cause. So sure if you want to register your disappointment with a bug that is understandable. But nobody is going to be able to fix the bug if they or others cannot recreate it at their end. Developers spend a lot more time fixing bugs than searching for them. It understandable what you think is right and wrong but this is the reality I'm afraid. Perhaps you will be lucky and cakewalk has already given steps to repro by another customer, assuming it's not a dodgy plugin or something... Then you won't need to do anything...
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vladasyn
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 21:26:12
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This is exactly my point. It can be "anything" and "anything" can cause it to fail. And it should not. It was happening on a new track with a new instrument. Obviously the problem is with unfreezing the synths. And this is important. I need to be able to freeze synth without hesitation. A lot of times I would leave synths unfrozen in case I want to use the same sound later in the song. This creates overload on the CPU. It is good to know that synth freezes and unfreezes without issues. In Sonat X3, it would do it easily. Done it million times. Unfreeze and synth is nice and fresh with selected sound ready to be used. With New Sonar- it does not unfreeze very well- some how it affects the MIDI track. I don't see how. It may have something to do with zoom. If you ever look in Piano Roll on frozen MIDI track- the piano keys turn in to the numbers. I do not like it, I don't know if it meant to do it or if it another issue. Instead of piano there is a table of numbers. When you unfreeze the synths, the numbers supposed to convert back in to the image of keys of a keyboard, and they do not convert very well. Also Copy. Paste and Drag getting massed up and cause crash. I submitted report to Cakewalk. I know this is not minor accidental issue. I can tell the difference. Been using Sonar for years. This is permanent problem that needs to be addressed. But you can try to reproduce it just for fun. Insert software synth with MIDI and Audio track, record midi notes, freeze instrument, look at your MIDI track in Piano roll. You will see numbers (unless it just me). Then unfreeze it and try to enter manually new notes. Then see if they correspond to the keys. Right click on a note and see if it says A6 and not Eb7. If it shows wrong notes, try to drag them from place to place and aggravate it till it gives up (or not). That is what happened.
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/23 22:29:52
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the key is to islolate the issue that's why we asked to try in a new project .... is it doing it in every midi clips or a specific one ...if yes , witch synth is linked to ? do you have a instrument track or the midi and audio separeted ?
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/24 00:17:29
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The synth used was reFX Nexus. I have tried it in the new project. The issue with notes being in the wrong place indeed related to zoom. When it unfreezes, it somehow changes keyboard size that does not match the greed (notes). When manipulating zoom, it gets in place instantaneously. So this is good thing. I moved the track back and force for few minutes- it did not crash yet. I will work with it more and see what happens.
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/24 02:33:35
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I just did what you said to do & did not have the problems you did. Freeze/Unfreeze Etc and all the notes stayed the same & displayed correctly in the PRV & the keyboard did not change size.
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/24 08:35:35
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Sounds like bad memory..... (tho it can be a million other things). Please run a memorytool to test your memory.
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/24 13:41:18
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Just tried reproducing this in a new project using TTS-1, Dim Pro and Rapture (I don't have any non-Cake synths installed in case it's plugin specific). I followed the steps described and (so far) can't reproduce it. Everything seems to work as it should.
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Re: I crashed New Sonar Platinum
2015/01/24 13:50:19
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The main reason for trying to replicate the problem in a brand new project is to eliminate anything strange unique to that project. If you cannot replicate it in a clean project then your original project might well be corrupt and you'll need to rebuild it.
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