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2014/06/30 19:55:30 (permalink)

I did buy another AD Expansion Pack

Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs....
 
I don't have AD2.
 
Maybe a little jealous that the new guys get it.
 
Maybe with X4?
Edit: I changed the title since I did buy another one.
 
 
 
post edited by gswitz - 2014/07/03 08:20:00

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 20:09:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2014/06/30 21:37:20
While I am just now exploring AD2, since I've been a long time Toontrack user.. but since I now have it (with X3), it does seem like a nice program, but I still prefer Toontrack at this point.  The Fairfax expansion seems to be the "hot/best" one... but I'd like to see the prices come down.  Cake takes $10 off the $89 everyday price, but with so many already owned expansions from Toon...and now the new stuff that came with AD2, shucking out more for drums is almost as bad as taking up accordian as a 2nd instrument.

Check out Toontrack EZD2 if you don't have it.  It seems to be the best buy, for your dollars worth, currently.

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 20:16:11 (permalink)
Buy any ADpak, and you will also get the critically-acclaimed Addictive Drums 2 engine.
Start shopping today
 
I just saw this in an email from Cakewalk, so I bought it. I hope this means I get AD2.

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 20:21:11 (permalink)
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Buy any ADpak, and you will also get the critically-acclaimed Addictive Drums 2 engine.
Start shopping today
 
I just saw this in an email from Cakewalk, so I bought it. I hope this means I get AD2.




I think what you end up with is a one-kit version of AD2 and they don't give you new versions of the Pop/Rock/Prog kits.
 

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 20:23:36 (permalink)
Well that sure is irritating.

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 20:33:21 (permalink)
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Well that sure is irritating.


I still havent figured out how all the upgrades work.
With X3P I got the Prog/Rock/Pop kits.
 

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 20:38:17 (permalink)
> I think what you end up with is a one-kit version of AD2 and they don't give you new versions of the Pop/Rock/Prog kits.
 
I'm not sure about that, this is all pure speculation from people who haven't bought the product in this configuration, or can't supply the full specs (next to useless then and probably adds to the confusion).
I think you might just get away with it (but again this is useless advice).
I would have contacted the Walk of Cake first myself so good luck :).
 
The confusing "engine" terminology must be the app  (damn it marketers please note it's an application with an engine within it ) as the upgrade is also referred to as "engine" here:
http://www.xlnaudio.com/upgrade/
 
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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 20:42:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2014/06/30 21:30:02
Shouldn't this be in the Software forum?
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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 20:50:11 (permalink)
I purchased the upgrade and received the Fairfax kit. I don't know about AD2 being critically acclaimed...it certainly did not travel well in my setup. I experienced CPU spikes and 'glitches' in the time-line tracker. That is, when the vertical time line keeps pace with the composition, it would stop - visually - and then jumps to the current position on the time line. I don't get this with AD1. So I had to get a refund and uninstall it, which was disappointing as I liked the Fairfax.

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 20:52:07 (permalink)
Not sure how long ago that was Alan, but there have been a number of patches recently with AD2. It wasn't a very smooth launch for sure but I suspect most of the bugs are ironed out.

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 21:38:55 (permalink)
Ok, I did get AD2, but only for the one kit. It didn't upgrade all my other content.
 
That means that my Jazz Kit and other content is not available in AD2.
 
But whatever.
 
To tell the truth I don't really care.
 
In a year or two I'll move on to some new thing and these kits will never get opened again.

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 21:41:24 (permalink)
I often buy s. Cakewalk sells without understanding what I'm getting.
 
Like once I bought the license to be able to use the CA2A in other DAWs without realizing that was what I was buying. I already had it for the Cakewalk ProChannel. I thought it was some kind of upgrade.
 
Just gave my money away that time. Life is harder when you're as dumb as me. Thank your lucky stars!

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 21:42:09 (permalink)
Is AD1 running normally?

I would contact cake to see if this is normal. They might even be able offer a refund or a change of license for the upgrade deal for extra dollars... Cheers...

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 21:48:52 (permalink)
AD1 and AD2 both work... just with different kits. So if I'm looking through my kits, I'll add both to the project and switch the midi track around. I can't even browse the midi samples for AD1 using AD2.
 
Kinda a PIA imho. There's only a couple of things the new one does that the old one doesn't. I don't really get it.
 
And why is the installer called XLN rather than Addictive installer? I just type Addictive in Win 8 and turn up stuff related to Addictive Drums but XLN? wtf? I had to go to the AD website to figure out what the app was called that I have to go plug the key into. It wasn't listed in the text doc from Cakewalk.
 
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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 21:50:32 (permalink)
Too add I think this is being advertised badly. It should be clear on that page that existing AD1 owners should be looking at the AD2 upgrade deal first.

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 21:52:32 (permalink)
Its called XLN installer because they make the product. If you had Addictive Keys for instance or a product branded without 'addictive' you would be using exactly the same installer.

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 22:11:14 (permalink)
Thanks, Alex. Helps to understand why the installer has a different name.
 
And playing with AD2, it does have some fun new features.
 
Been tweaking stuff for hours now. My favorite is the random timing, velocity and the ability to change the intensity of 8th vs 16th which is an easy way to switch up a groove.
 
I do think it would be nice if the Fairfax kit showed up in AD1. I wonder if I'd ever really bother with AD2 if I could just have all my stuff in one place.

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/06/30 22:18:37 (permalink)
My midi clips for Session Drummer show up fine in the Media Browser. Where are the Midi Clips for the drum stuff I've bought for AD? I've bought two expansion packs for AD now, and I don't think you can even use the Midi clips outside of AD.
 
Am I wrong on this?

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/07/01 00:13:55 (permalink)
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I often buy s. Cakewalk sells without understanding what I'm getting.
 
Like once I bought the license to be able to use the CA2A in other DAWs without realizing that was what I was buying. I already had it for the Cakewalk ProChannel. I thought it was some kind of upgrade.
 
Just gave my money away that time. Life is harder when you're as dumb as me. Thank your lucky stars!


It's been awhile but I think the differences between the pro channel only version of LA2A and upgraded one included more than just vst capability but I could be wrong.
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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/07/01 06:20:57 (permalink)
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My midi clips for Session Drummer show up fine in the Media Browser. Where are the Midi Clips for the drum stuff I've bought for AD? I've bought two expansion packs for AD now, and I don't think you can even use the Midi clips outside of AD.
 
Am I wrong on this?


I am curious what you really own... If you go to the XLN web page and open My Account, what do you see?
 
I have  AD, Rock, Pop, Prog,  3 Beats packs, Pearl and "Upgrade". I went XLN way so, I was "lucky" to register AD reasonably late to get 50% upgrade price.
 
Also in case you browse let say "Prog" ADDPAK (http://www.xlnaudio.com/en/products/view/103) while still logged in, do you see some price or just "Purchased" (like me)? May be you have used separate accounts for registering AD1 and registering AD2? At all places, XLN claims in case you upgrade AD1->AD2, you get everything from AD1 available in AD2 (but not reversed...).
 

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/07/01 07:52:10 (permalink)
I think you need to contact Cakewalk or XLN; the upgrade is supposed to upgrade all your content. 
 
http://www.xlnaudio.com/upgrade/

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/07/01 08:00:50 (permalink)
Wow deja vu again...

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/07/01 10:05:30 (permalink)
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I often buy s. Cakewalk sells without understanding what I'm getting.
 
Like once I bought the license to be able to use the CA2A in other DAWs without realizing that was what I was buying. I already had it for the Cakewalk ProChannel. I thought it was some kind of upgrade.
 
Just gave my money away that time. Life is harder when you're as dumb as me. Thank your lucky stars!




Off topic but just so you know I'm pretty sure the VST version of the CA2A has a sidechain option that the PC version doesn't so you did get a bit of extra functionality. Also I know you do a lot of tracking in other DAWs for live stuff but am unsure how much mixing you do in other environments but to me it is such a good plug it's nice to have the option.
 
I however got it for "free" with one of the $20 coupons and I think the upgrade was on sale at the time too. I'd say it's worth 20 bucks for the extra versatility (if you like the plug). If you paid more than that though and don't REALLY need the extra options then yeah... it's not the greatest deal. That's why I didn't bother with it until I could basically get it for free and even then I was debating it because there were some other interesting things I could have gotten or saved some money on (like the Concrete Limiter but I struck gold by waiting for that and getting it on sale for $20 too... lol).
 
Just trying to make you feel better about your purchase. Cheers.
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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/07/01 10:50:41 (permalink)
Maybe you are thinking of the original PC-2A which did not have a side chain input. Functionally the CA-2A PC and VST versions are identical. Both have side chain inputs.
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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/07/01 11:05:56 (permalink)
I'm confused. Isn't that what I said... or was there a free update to the PC2A that tossed in the sidechain without me realizing?
 
 
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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/07/01 11:07:45 (permalink)
Oh... I see now. When I said the PC version I meant the original. Not the CA-2A PC module. Just poor wording.
 
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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/07/01 11:19:21 (permalink)
If you already have other ADPaks, it makes perfect sense to just get the upgrade rather than buy one pak for AD2 and just get that one pak.

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/07/01 11:43:00 (permalink)
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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/07/01 13:37:34 (permalink)
I apologize to everyone for my lousy mood. Please forgive me.

When I get home I'll post what I own related to ad. They were registered to the same account. Basically, ad1, ad2, jazz sticks for ad1 and the new one for ad2.

When I use other apps to record it is either on Linux or rme digicheck. I don't get to use the vst version on ca2a. Just a mistake to buy it.

I'm not that great at using the drum programs so spending on ad2 will likely prove a good thing. I shouldn't gripe. It is nice the stuff is being created at all.

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Re: Why I'm not buying AD2 expansion packs. 2014/07/01 13:59:02 (permalink)
Honestly the included AD sounds good and is easy to use but it doesn't offer as many options in regards to routing and other stuff as my copy of BFD Eco (so it's a full version of a program being compared to a limited version of the other). Also I am somewhat addicted (no pun intended) to Platinum Samples drum packs because they sound sooooo good and there is a ton more choice compared to the specific XLN produced packs.
 
XLN Addictive Drums was going to be the sampler I bought to replace Session Drummer (which is nice but didn't work for the fancy ultra nuanced stuff I like to write) until I was turned on to BFD. So personally I would rather upgrade from Eco to BFD2 (if I can still find a boxed upgrade somewhere) and still have access to my Platinum Samples packs as opposed to upgrading to AD2. I kind of find their new website, installer, reg, marketing stuff to be weird and confusing too (and I don't seem to be the only one who thinks so based on this thread) which is a bit of a turn off. I had a heck of a time just creating an account and getting AD installed.
 
The ONE (or technically two) ADpaks that I am however interested are the JazzPaks but I'm sure I could find suitable alternatives using BFD and its more open policy in regard to third party samples.
 
As far as having access to all those different MIDI files to trigger it all... well I do like how AD handles that and kind of like the included beats better but I usually write/play my own drum parts and if I wanted a MIDI beat generator I think my money would be better spent on something like JamStix. I like the idea of setting variables and getting a live feel for my more improvisational work... particularly blues and jazz stuff. Static beats don't inspire much creativity.
 
As far as the CA2A on Linux... I was under the impression that some of those Linux DAWs did have VST support to a certain extent but I'm guessing that being a Cakewalk product that despite it being VST it might still require windows to run which is a drag. I don't know how such things work though.
 
And your mood is fine. I think I've been far crankier the past couple days. Too many shiz disturbing sock puppets on the forum and extraordinary temperatures closer to home I guess.
 
You're good shiz, G. Don't ever change.
 
Cheers.
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