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I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned?

space (stop), then control z (undo record), and then r (record)
 
over and over and over and over....
 
is there a way to press one key on the keyboard and have Sonar fire off this little sequence? Better yet.. be able to assign it to a midi footswitch.
 
Some would say the answer to this would be to practice my instrument more, but that wouldn't apply to recording others.
 
Any ideas? (I'll be installing Manchester Platinum tonight)
 
 

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/26 15:08:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jerrypettit 2016/01/27 16:36:44
There is no macro capability in SONAR. You can use a tool like autohotkey to create and send macros to SONAR. Here is the script snippet to send the key combination SPACE, CTRL+z, r to any application bound to the Windows+r keys in autohotkey.
 
#r:: send {Space}^zr
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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/26 15:11:32 (permalink)
Thank you Scook. From the research I did on google autohotkey was the only answer I could find. I was hoping I'd missed some kind of feature in the new updates.

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/26 15:15:44 (permalink)
Nothing yet from Cakewalk. There are other macro tools out there but they all works pretty much the same. Authotkey works and is free.
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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/26 15:44:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bandso 2016/01/28 16:04:09
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is there a way to press one key on the keyboard and have Sonar fire off this little sequence? Better yet.. be able to assign it to a midi footswitch.

With MIDI controller / anything else delivering MIDI signal into Sonar / Joysticks or gamepads (but not with computer keyboard) my plug-in (see signature) can do this. Since it is aware of Sonar current state, it can be mode "smart" then hotkey. For example, it can trigger that combination only in case you are currently recording and trigger just recording (without stop/undo) otherwise. If your footswitch send additional MIDI message when released, it is possible to put even more functions: if you press it shortly it will just stop, but if you keep it pressed for some specified time (1 - 5 seconds) it will undo and start recording again.
 
I have tested that right now, it takes less then a minute to configure for me. For you it can takes hours/days. But I can create the preset in case you let me know which MIDI message(s) your footswitch produce. You can find that using my plug-in, insert it as Control Surface with correct Input set. Open its interface (from Utilities menu) and watch "Last MIDI Event" while pressing/releasing your switch. Write what you see and when and what you want out of it. And you get that... fast and for free

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/26 21:01:36 (permalink)
bandso
 
 
Some would say the answer to this would be to practice my instrument more, but that wouldn't apply to recording others.
 
 




This IS the sequence I use to practice my instrument, assuming I want to review my progress.
 
 
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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/26 21:17:37 (permalink)
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...it takes less then a minute to configure for me. For you it can takes hours/days. 


I would like to learn to use your product, but my head starts to hurt whenever I make the effort.  Yes, I've been to your website, but I feel I'm scratching at granite with my fingernails.  (It's me, not you.) s
 
Can you direct me toward any other resources that might help me?

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/26 21:34:08 (permalink)
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space (stop), then control z (undo record), and then r (record)
 
 
 


Ha!  I know that sequence well.  I think the solution has been that... I know the sequence well!!  yeah...hittin' one key would be nice, but I've got the routine down now.  Ctl +S is a reflex, ingrained in muscle memory.

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/26 22:01:14 (permalink)
Yup I am all too familiar with that except I hit the "record" button on my MIDI controller.
 
Depending on what you're recording maybe you can turn on loop recording and just record takes?  That wouldn't be practical if it's a length item you're recording though.

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 04:59:59 (permalink)
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...it takes less then a minute to configure for me. For you it can takes hours/days. 


I would like to learn to use your product, but my head starts to hurt whenever I make the effort.  Yes, I've been to your website, but I feel I'm scratching at granite with my fingernails.  (It's me, not you.) s
 
Can you direct me toward any other resources that might help me?

I have published on my site everything I know about Control Surfaces in Sonar.


I know that configure AZController to do something smart is not an easy task. So I offer to everyone help in getting the result. Some people prefer to play with it themselves, based on tips/examples/documentation. Other want "plug and play" solution and they normally get it (with click by click instruction how to deploy).
 
So, if you can explain me what you need and that is possible to do, you can get it without learning programming.

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 06:45:50 (permalink)
HI:)
 
>>>space (stop), then control z (undo record), and then r (record)
>>>over and over and over and over....
 
Why don't you just do a Loop Record?? I mean Autopunch with a loop....
 
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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 06:51:31 (permalink)
That would be a good solution, if you're trying to repeatedly do the same small take.
 
But sometimes you're playing a complex section that's quite long, or improvising a solo, and whereas sometimes you get through the whole thing before thinking you want to delete it and repeat, other times you only get 1 bar in and mess up. So you want to stop immediately and repeat, not wait for the whole 32 bars to expire before the loop starts again (for example).

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 07:15:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bandso 2016/01/28 16:03:11
Just a thought - anyone using VoiceAttack (http://www.voiceattack.com/) with Sonar?  It interfaces with the built in Windows speech recognition but gives you a lot more macro flexibility.  I've used this with games such as Elite:Dangerous to great effect (and you can also have it echo responses back to you).  But reading this thread made me wonder if it could be useful in this situation.
 
I could be a tape-op all over again!  'Again...', 'Again...', 'Keep'.
 
Worth trying as long as you're not doing vocals.  Although even then you can set a trigger phrase to make it listen (such as 'Sonar...Again' etc).  Fully functioning version has a 21d free trial period, and the cost after that is a recession beating $8.

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 07:53:44 (permalink)
I can vouch that Alexey (Aslow3) can set you up with a way to make a control surface do what you want here, if he says it's possible. He's sort of a kindly control surface wizard. I would take him up on the offer. You'll probably learn something in the process, and realize that if you have just about any kind of control surface, you could (with a bit of setup and fiddling) be doing crazy things with it in Sonar. The plugin takes some getting used to as it's deep and designed to have the flexibility to do just about anything, but it's not nearly so difficult to get basically working as people think, and once set up, it works reliably and well - I use it all the time, with two parallel controllers, both old and unsupported by the companies that made them. 

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 08:02:37 (permalink)
Alexsey, I would like to know the syntax required in your plug in, for me to assign a button on my midi controller to run this sequence. I can see it would come in handy given my sausage fingered attempts at keyboard playing
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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 09:18:29 (permalink)
Yea even a little midi keyboard or tiny midi drum pad would work perfect for this application. I have several of these around, so I'll hook one up and see if I can get the proper midi messages for azslow3. Offering his help was quite a gracious offer! Thank you! (I'll also try the autohotkey program as well to see how difficult it is to get working properly)

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 09:48:51 (permalink)
ahk as mentioned by scook is very powerful and lightweight.  It's useful for all applications, not just Sonar.  IMO, it is well worth the investment in time to learn.

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 11:53:47 (permalink)
Another option is a programmable PC keyboard. That's what I've been using for a while. For example I've set up macros that let me jump to the next / previous marker - 1 measure so I pick up keyswitches, etc. It's easy and efficient (for me anyway). There are also secondary keypads available that do the same thing.

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 12:03:12 (permalink)
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Alexsey, I would like to know the syntax required in your plug in, for me to assign a button on my midi controller to run this sequence. I can see it would come in handy given my sausage fingered attempts at keyboard playing
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http://www.azslow.com/index.php/topic,281.0.html

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 12:31:49 (permalink)
Just curious (I might learn something here) as to why you hit CTRL-Z to undo the previous recording? Seems like if you set it to overwrite recording you can just hit space and r. 
 
At least that's what I do, but maybe I'm missing something. 
 
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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 14:23:14 (permalink)
 
 
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Just curious (I might learn something here) as to why you hit CTRL-Z to undo the previous recording? Seems like if you set it to overwrite recording you can just hit space and r. 
 
At least that's what I do, but maybe I'm missing something. 
 
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If you use "overwrite" to record and your first recording is 1 min. and the the second recording is 30 sec., then you still leave 30 sec. of the old recording that still needs to be cleaned up. "Undo"ing the bad recording gets rid of the entire unwanted part and leaves no mess. (I'm pretty sure this is how it works, I'm not at my DAW right now.) Also I believe "undoing" will erase the bad track from the disk drive where the other methods may not. (I may be way off on this one)

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 17:12:20 (permalink)
Yes you are correct that if the first recording is longer there is a piece of it still there. I guess most times I eventually do a longer take so it doesn't bother me as much. 
 
Not sure about the disk usage. I usually do so much in a project at the beginning, I eventually save to a new folder just to clean all that up. Saving to a new folder will only copy over what's being used in the project.
 
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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 18:16:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bandso 2016/01/28 16:02:39
I have a logitech gaming keyboard with 12 "G" keys.  I program many keystrokes like the ones you describe all the time.   What is really nice is I program similar functions the same in different apps...so some of things I do repeatedly are the same in SONAR, Sibelius and Vegas Movie studio.   Makes my day go faster.    
 
 
http://support.logitech.com/en_us/product/gaming-keyboard-g510
 
 

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/27 18:57:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bandso 2016/01/28 16:02:32
here's a quick tip + free (if you have an iPad) 
I use Avid's free PT Control app on the ipad - it works really well as a touch based mixer & track navigator with Sonar & you can create macros and assign them to virtual buttons on the ipad.
  • install the Sonar Eucon support as per this KB article
  • download & install the Pro Tools Control app as per the instructions here ( you need to create a Avid account but that is free & you don't need to be an owner of any Avid gear) 
  • once Eucon is installed, make sure you add Eucon to Sonar (Preferences->Control surfaces->add Control surface & Choose "Eucon Controller" under the drop down menu - dont worry about the midi ports as they aren't used but you can't deselect them entirely)
Now - you have a free touch mixer for Sonar ! 
  1. to set up the macro, with Sonar Running, switch to the Eucon setup by double clicking on the E icon in the notification area of Windows.
  2. Select "Softkeys" 
  3. It should say Application: SONARPLT in the top left corner - if it says "explorer" or "Chrome" go back to Sonar & straight to the Eucon app - it sets up App sets for the program you switch from.
  4. sleect a softkey via the Comand... dialogue
  5. you can add multiple commands sequentially
i added
  • Eucon - Stop
  • ctrl + Z
  • R
 
this works exactly as expeted & you will have a free mixer also !
 
i will try to get a couple of screenshots to guide you if that would help.
 
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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/28 16:09:05 (permalink)
I'm glad to hear that there are several paths to take a look into. I do have an IPad, really like the idea of using voice recognition, a gaming keyboard with programmable extra keys, autohotkeys, and azslow3's
Control Surface Integration Platform for SONAR all look like the direction that I need to explore. Many thanks to all who replied!!!!

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/29 08:47:13 (permalink)
Perhaps a different work flow might be your answer.... sounds like you are erasing your last take and then re recording the take until you like what you have done?
 
Perhaps COMPING is a better solution... you can keep performing the part until you NAIL IT, then delete all the previous takes and keep the one you like best.
 
Not sure if your reason for space bar, CNTL Z, record key stroke sequence is for your manual comping process but if it is, check this out, you may like this more.
 
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PS - after you do get a good take remember to hit CNTL S before SONAR crashes and you lose your good take. :-)
 
 

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/29 09:24:18 (permalink)
I've considered using comping, but I haven't tried it since it originally came out (and crashed my machine left and right). However I have a new DAW computer since then and I should revisit that option. Quick question, when you finish with the comp takes, and you delete them, does it really delete them from your hard drive, or does it leave them on your machine just taking up space, until you do a new save as "save and create clips" to another area on your hard drive then manually delete the old project? 

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/29 11:00:07 (permalink)
Comping just saves one of the 3 keypresses, right? :)
 
There are other reasons I don't like that approach, mostly because it silences everything on the track at that point, which I don't want if I'm recording overlapping parts.

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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/29 12:15:25 (permalink)
No comping would save all three of the keystrokes, in essence, you would loop the section to record and it would rewind and start recording the next take automatically until you hit STOP. I think when you hard delete the non keeper tracks, it is no longer on your hard drive... like it is gone forever (at least once you leave the session) but someone more technical than me would have to confirm this.
 
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Re: I do this keyboard sequence about 10,000 times per song. Can they be assigned? 2016/01/29 13:41:31 (permalink)
Right, but we talked earlier in the thread about why looping isn't always an option.

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