Jonbouy
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I don't believe it!
No sooner had I replaced one 1Tb drive (under warranty) and moved everything back into it's rightful place then my other one has just developed a bunch of bad sectors and is predicting it's own imminent demise. Replacement isn't a problem as Seagate support has been really good with a turnaround of about a week but the squeezing stuff on one drive and re-installing the OS is getting a bit old already. So I'm back to a single drive after a fresh re-install and 3 days of getting everything working right again awaiting another new one.  Drat! Thankfully due to an adequate back-up strategy I haven't lost anything............yet.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/04/12 06:26:18
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 07:30:45
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I lost my marbles and the backup refuses to load 
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 08:02:42
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Karyn
I lost my marbles and the backup refuses to load
Methinks Karyn's disaster recovery contract is in her ears arrears.
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 08:16:28
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Beagle
Jonbouy
Karyn
I lost my marbles and the backup refuses to load
Methinks Karyn's disaster recovery contract is in her ears arrears.
JB! that's a terrible thing to say about a lady! that her marbles are in her rear! 
Ladies will do anything when it comes to winning a game of marbles.
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 10:28:50
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Disk drive reliability does seem to have suffered in recent years. My suspicion is that manufacturers are taking shortcuts in order to cut costs because users are unwilling to pay a premium for more reliable products.
It's also an acknowledgment of the short life span of the average computer. Why design a component that will last 10 years if you know it will be replaced in 2? Of course, in the process the percentage of early failures necessarily rises.
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 10:40:27
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JB, I was going to make some tasteless joke about the hindquarters being "marbled". Unfortunately, as I was thinking of this, a woman walked up to me and slapped me into last week. I had to use time travel just to post this warning.
In the process, I may have, inadvertantly, corrupted your drive. Sorry.
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 10:54:51
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I wish we could identify the better built hard drives. All my backups are on what will soon seem like old hard drives.
I've noticed my oldest hard drives are seeming to die from dis use.
The practice of backing up a few old hard drives on one larger one seems to focus a risk of loss. I have redundant backups but what happens if the hard drives start failing on the shelf? What happens is that I too frequently waste time trying to backup my backups on freshers larger backup hard drives in order to never have to go back far enough to find a dead hard drive an become disappointed.
Weird huh?
Jonbouy, I'm sorry to hear of your troubles... I hope you get the fresh drive soon.
best regards,
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 11:14:22
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mike_mccue
I wish we could identify the better built hard drives. All my backups are on what will soon seem like old hard drives.
I've noticed my oldest hard drives are seeming to die from dis use.
The practice of backing up a few old hard drives on one larger one seems to focus a risk of loss. I have redundant backups but what happens if the hard drives start failing on the shelf? What happens is that I too frequently waste time trying to backup my backups on freshers larger backup hard drives in order to never have to go back far enough to find a dead hard drive an become disappointed.
Weird huh?
Jonbouy, I'm sorry to hear of your troubles... I hope you get the fresh drive soon.
best regards,
mike
+1, I think, for the 2nd time, my backup drive is starting to fail. I'm beginning to wonder if it's because of the external case?
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 11:47:57
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I just ordered two Lacie 2g drives because my WDs are both failing.
Also, why doesn't someone make a 50 plug USB adapter? I have tons of 8 -ones that are around and they all have external power but they seem to be one of the weak points in the backup process.
Also, why doesn't someone just come out with a 10 Peta Byte drive so we can stop worrying for a few months.
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 11:50:38
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space_cowboy
Also, why doesn't someone just come out with a 10 Peta Byte drive so we can stop worrying for a few months.
Peta Byte Drive? Is that where those fake fur wearers organize a potluck event to raise money to buy more red paint?
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 11:55:40
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Just out of interest, what type of memory do online storage systems use?
The CHB uses an A-Drive 50GB online storage account - how secure are their systems?
And how prohibitively expensive (?) must such a system be that we haven't all got the same type of memory for personal back-up use?
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 11:58:27
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I just ordered two Lacie 2g drives because my WDs are both failing. I don't believe Lacie actually makes a HD, just the encolosures. I have had several external Lacie Drives, and they were all loaded with WD's!
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 14:13:14
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Beagle
+1, I think, for the 2nd time, my backup drive is starting to fail. I'm beginning to wonder if it's because of the external case?
Since internal drives way bigger than what I need are getting *so* cheap, I've switched strategies about maintaining backups. First I bought Acronis, which has a really easy to use one-click backup operation. Then on the most recent machine (non-DAW) I acquired, I have two large drives. One is a dedicated internal backup. It being easy (and fast!) to keep a reasonably current image of the C drive, I back up frequently. The odds of both drives failing at the same time are small. Granted, I'd be totally SOL if a house fire or the like occured. On the other hand, even I had an external drive, I'd probably not be very diligent in storing it outside my home. I'll be doing something alone the same lines when I buy an up-to-date dedicated DAW machine. There'll just be more drives. As long as you have a drive image of all drives on a different drive, you're reasonably assured of being able to recover from a singel drive failure.
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 20:49:01
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SteveStrummerUK
Just out of interest, what type of memory do online storage systems use?
The CHB uses an A-Drive 50GB online storage account - how secure are their systems?
And how prohibitively expensive (?) must such a system be that we haven't all got the same type of memory for personal back-up use?
To give you some sort of idea, at work I have something similar to this connected to a dedicated storage server. It has 12 x 750Gb drives running in a 10 + 2 config giving approx 7Tb of drive space with the ability to withstand 2 simultaneous total lost drive failures with no data loss or drop in performance. The drives are hot swappable, so when one fails (3 have failed in 5 years) I just pull it out and plug in a new one without turning anything off. The server recognises the new drive and rebuilds the drive array to include it. I generally keep 2 spare drives in stock. Data centres use similar systems, but with bigger arrays.
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Jonbouy
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 21:01:27
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WOW
I wonder how quickly I could zap 7Tb's of data with one of those.
(Are you sure?)
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 21:32:21
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Karyn
SteveStrummerUK
Just out of interest, what type of memory do online storage systems use?
The CHB uses an A-Drive 50GB online storage account - how secure are their systems?
And how prohibitively expensive (?) must such a system be that we haven't all got the same type of memory for personal back-up use?
To give you some sort of idea, at work I have something similar to this connected to a dedicated storage server. It has 12 x 750Gb drives running in a 10 + 2 config giving approx 7Tb of drive space with the ability to withstand 2 simultaneous total lost drive failures with no data loss or drop in performance.
The drives are hot swappable, so when one fails (3 have failed in 5 years) I just pull it out and plug in a new one without turning anything off. The server recognises the new drive and rebuilds the drive array to include it. I generally keep 2 spare drives in stock.
Data centres use similar systems, but with bigger arrays.
Just out of curosity, how much did it run? I have 5 HD's right now, but maybe when I upgrade my system, I'll go a raid 5 route. Also, I back up to blueray (although probably not often enough)
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Karyn
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 21:44:38
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I guess you mean how much did it cost? You're looking at $8000 - $10000 for a system like that, plus a server to drive it. It would be way overkill for a home system, mine (I say mine, I just look after it) is the central storage for an entire company.
If you have some loose change to throw away though, there is always the HP MDS600 system... 70 x 1Tb drives in a single 5u enclosure - $35000 bargain!!!
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 21:49:48
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dmbaer
Beagle
+1, I think, for the 2nd time, my backup drive is starting to fail. I'm beginning to wonder if it's because of the external case?
Since internal drives way bigger than what I need are getting *so* cheap, I've switched strategies about maintaining backups. First I bought Acronis, which has a really easy to use one-click backup operation. Then on the most recent machine (non-DAW) I acquired, I have two large drives. One is a dedicated internal backup. It being easy (and fast!) to keep a reasonably current image of the C drive, I back up frequently. The odds of both drives failing at the same time are small. Granted, I'd be totally SOL if a house fire or the like occured. On the other hand, even I had an external drive, I'd probably not be very diligent in storing it outside my home.
I'll be doing something alone the same lines when I buy an up-to-date dedicated DAW machine. There'll just be more drives. As long as you have a drive image of all drives on a different drive, you're reasonably assured of being able to recover from a singel drive failure.
+1 I'm going to start doing this at the earliest opportunity. It looks much easier and cheaper now just to have a redundant drive cloned and ready to switch out.
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 22:10:10
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Jonbouy
WOW
I wonder how quickly I could zap 7Tb's of data with one of those.
(Are you sure?)
I've got all the UAD plugs. Will that do it?
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 22:47:06
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bapu
Jonbouy
WOW
I wonder how quickly I could zap 7Tb's of data with one of those.
(Are you sure?)
I've got all the UAD plugs. Will that do it?
It should do, whilst adding some 'musical sounding' warmth and colour to the newly emptied drives. I added some musical sounding warmth and colour to the ambience of this room when I discovered this drive was starting to fail without using any UAD plugs though.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/04/12 22:52:33
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/12 22:58:54
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Jonbouy
bapu
Jonbouy
WOW
I wonder how quickly I could zap 7Tb's of data with one of those.
(Are you sure?)
I've got all the UAD plugs. Will that do it?
It should do, whilst adding some 'musical sounding' warmth and colour to the newly emptied drives.
I added some musical sounding warmth and colour to the ambience of this room when I discovered this drive was starting to fail without using any UAD plugs though.
+1 I bet it was more than just a touch though, lol.
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/13 00:17:41
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One day, I'll be able to afford some sort of NAS with big storage... in the meantime, I use "unboxed" SATA drives and this interface:  Not as elegant as some solutions, but it lets me back up to more than one drive without too much trouble. So far, so good...
post edited by Russell.Whaley - 2011/04/13 00:19:40
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Re:I don't believe it!
2011/04/13 08:30:39
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I have seen the Glyph drives advertised in some of the music mags I read. I can't speak to their quality, however, they are not the cheapest ones around..... if the saying that you get what you pay for holds true with these, they should be pretty decent and reliable. 500gb @ MF 1.5tb @ MF
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Re:I don't believe it!
2012/10/14 09:09:50
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I don't know what's up with new drives, they seem to be made to fail after a couple years. Meanwhile, I have an ago old file server that we stream movies and music from here in the house, it's pretty much streaming something all night and day or else it's downloading at night when we sleep, it's never turned off. It's been sitting in my closet for at least 10 years now, just keeps on rocking even though it gets hammered pretty much non-stop. EDIT: freakin tabs grrr, replied to an old post 
post edited by Kenneth - 2012/10/14 09:11:19
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Re:I don't believe it!
2012/10/14 12:28:24
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That is so frustrating... you certainly seem calm, I guess there is nothing you can do aside from just go with what you get. It is OK for grown men to cry.  J
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