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2013/10/16 09:40:06 (permalink)

I don't want to buy VST Soft synths...

... but I have to.  I'm a stringed instrument kind of guy and I wish that keyboardists would show up with a keyboard, push some buttons and play the flippin' track.  However, they don't do that.  They show up and see my Fatar 88 key controller and want to play that.  So... I have some of the standard keyboard instruments covered for the level of clients I have, Rhodes, Clavinet, Grand Piano, Upright, Wurlitzer Piano covered by EZkeys and Session Instruments.  Strings are covered more or less by Dim Pro.
 
I haven't had anyone looking for the types of synths that you tweak a lot for dance music.  Those guys are doing their own things in their own home studios.  I'm getting people who want to scroll presets and get a recognizable sound and lay an accompaniment track and move on down the road.  I want to stay with 64 bit products so I don't have to deal with bridging apps.
 
I need a classic organ library.  I'm thinking the Kontakt Organ product or the Linplug product.  I think they come with a player but as far as Kontakt Free that I downloaded, I don't get a 64 bit installed - just the 32 bit.  I've tried installing it a couple of times but with the same result.
 
I'm also thinking something along the lines of a Korg synth, a Roland synth and maybe a Yamaha synth so if they are looking for sounds from classic recordings, I can get them there in a hurry.

Looking for the cheapest way to get to my goal.  Me, I'll spend a grand on a piece of hardware without blinking an eye but software.... not so much.

 

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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 10:59:09 (permalink)
It is possible to install Kontakt player in 64bit, both 4 and 5 installed on my PC that way. Maybe try to d/l the player directly from NI. For classic organs of the Vox and Farfisa variety a couple of free plugins http://www.martinic.com/combov/ and http://www.martinic.com/combof/ may do.
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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 11:03:29 (permalink)
Rapture has organs - lots of 'em.  And be sure and pick up Mus3um at http://patcharena.com/  Lots of old analog synths/key samples and patches in that one, which is free.
 
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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 11:07:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mod Bod 2013/10/24 19:49:18
In Korg's Legacy Collection, the M1 is quite good.  

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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 11:19:21 (permalink)
This thread has what may be the last remaining bit of documentation on the DimPro virtual B3.
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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 11:30:13 (permalink)
Hi Dave,
 
Couple of things in your post stick out to me.
 
You have a Fatar 88 key controller and you ask about an Organ sound. All the 88 key controllers I'm aware of have a weighted (piano style) action and if someone really wants to play an organ on it you might also want to purchase some band aids for the poor soul.
 
It may be more of an advantage to try to purchase a used 61 key Korg, Kurzweil, or Yamaha synth that would offer you both acoustic and electronic type sounds. Some of the sounds in the Korgs are amazing and are voiced/proceesed to sit well in a mix. Another advantage is that the synth is going to be producing the sounds vs. taxing your computer/DAW.
 
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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 11:45:14 (permalink)
+1 on the Korg Legacy bundle.

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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 11:48:06 (permalink)
Dave, if you don't already have Kontakt, I'd suggest getting a copy of Komplete 9 (or Komplete 9 Ultimate).
That'll give you a LOT of useful content (organs, synths, pianos, strings, etc).

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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 12:30:49 (permalink)
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I think Jim's idea is a good one - and it should be on sale soon I would image.
Also try this - its free - this will give you a Mellotron for nothing plus it has organs etc - and its great to fiddle with!
http://www.uvi.net/en/vintage-corner/mello.html
 

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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 12:33:12 (permalink)
I wouldn't be looking at software at all, but rather a rack-mounted rompler such as the rack version of the Motif. They've been around long enough to have some decent prices on the used market.


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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 14:55:49 (permalink)
A good ol' rompler to have in your rack that can be had for as little as $200.00 these days is a Roland JV-1080. It'll take 4 expansion cards as well. Some of the cards are very good. I still use mine. Another good option like Bitflipper mentioned is a Yamaha Motif ES rack. (Don't go with just the original Motif rack - the midi timing would bog down if you were using several patches at once.) I have an ES rack and between that and the JV, my rompler needs are more than covered.
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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 16:02:46 (permalink)
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It is possible to install Kontakt player in 64bit, both 4 and 5 installed on my PC that way. Maybe try to d/l the player directly from NI. For classic organs of the Vox and Farfisa variety a couple of free plugins http://www.martinic.com/combov/ and http://www.martinic.com/combof/ may do.


Thanks.  I've already got those but failed to list them.

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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 16:09:04 (permalink)
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I think Jim's idea is a good one - and it should be on sale soon I would image.
Also try this - its free - this will give you a Mellotron for nothing plus it has organs etc - and its great to fiddle with!
http://www.uvi.net/en/vintage-corner/mello.html
 


Mello... I read their website and saw nothing that indicated whether it had a 64 bit version available.

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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 16:33:16 (permalink)
+1 on the Motif racks. Good solid studio sounds all around and no CPU use on your compuer other than a MIDI stream. Motifs are in the 200 range, ES versions head up to 450 and the XS version is about double that (But you get the YC 45D organ on that one).
Yamahas are known for their studio ubiquity also.
But if VSTs are the way you need to go, like anything else it gets subjective. I hate the factory organs and pianos on Kontakt/Komplete. Even third party freebies are often better. It also depends on which organs you're needing and how exacting the player needs them to be to play them fluidly. Different players have different perspectives on the same organ done by different developers. Some I might suggest would be Synthmaster with the Nori Ubukata 'Art Rock Basics' soundset which has organ samples loaded into the patches. As mentioned, Rapture and Dimension has some good ones too. Plenty out there in every price range including free.

I would honestly start with asking the keyboard players you deal with what they prefer and start with the one they mention the most.
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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 18:56:55 (permalink)
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This thread has what may be the last remaining bit of documentation on the DimPro virtual B3.


Thanks.  This will get me down the road a ways.  

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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 19:48:00 (permalink)
Sweetwater has an offer for a Korg 61 key mini keyboard and you get the Korg Legacy collection for free.  $180.00, free delivery.

Good deal?

Man, it is easier to find an illegal download site than it is to find someone (legit) to sell you a soft synth product.

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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 21:42:17 (permalink)
Dave, you don't happen to have an older NI collection called Complete Klassics tucked away somewhere, do you?
 
It came with Akoustik Piano, Electrik Piano, Pro 53, and of course the ever versatile B4II, which has so many great organ choices, I doubt one would ever get through listening to them all, let alone ever use them all.
They even have the authentic draw bars & foot pedals in the GUI.
 
They play in stand alone, and I believe in Kontakt - at least the 1st 2 do - that I know.
 
I think many over look this now outdated but still much usable set of fab 4!
 
They play in x64 systems & hosts just fine.
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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 21:57:20 (permalink)
I know you'd rather not a VST but, there's also this one that I just found & had a listen to:
 
http://www.sampletekk.com/proddetail.php?prod=STDELIVER-042-KONT



 
 
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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/16 23:05:12 (permalink)
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Dave, you don't happen to have an older NI collection called Complete Klassics tucked away somewhere, do you?
 
It came with Akoustik Piano, Electrik Piano, Pro 53, and of course the ever versatile B4II, which has so many great organ choices, I doubt one would ever get through listening to them all, let alone ever use them all.
They even have the authentic draw bars & foot pedals in the GUI.
 
They play in stand alone, and I believe in Kontakt - at least the 1st 2 do - that I know.
 
I think many over look this now outdated but still much usable set of fab 4!
 
They play in x64 systems & hosts just fine.


No, I don't own much in the way of synths.  I either have synths included in SONAR, Samplitude, Studio One, Toontrack products or something that I found for free.

I'm not against VST synths, I just hated buying them because I'm not a keyboardist.  But I need to rethink that.

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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/17 08:35:25 (permalink)
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All UVI stuff is 64 bit I'm pretty sure of that - I'm on 64 bit and I use a lot of there stuff, all no issues
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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/17 09:01:39 (permalink)
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Sweetwater has an offer for a Korg 61 key mini keyboard and you get the Korg Legacy collection for free.  $180.00, free delivery.

Good deal?

Man, it is easier to find an illegal download site than it is to find someone (legit) to sell you a soft synth product.


Considering all 6 synths at the Korg site are going for $199, the deal at sweetwater looks much better (+ a mini keyboard). The good part is Korg has 64 bit support and you'll have more quality sounds than you could shake a stick at. ;)
 
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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/17 16:13:04 (permalink)
I don't want to buy VST Soft synths...

 
Actually that's about all I want to buy now* since it's been said (too) many times, my VST list is more than I'll ever use and is probably quite redundant.
 
*And really, by that I mean libraries for the likes of Kontakt. And even at this point probably only highly specialized libraries at that. Now that I have OTS Rick, Passion Flute and Evo Acoustic, I'll be looking for those unique libraries. And I really am about burned out on drum samples. I think I may just have enough to last two lifetimes.
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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/17 17:03:31 (permalink)
I think for the long road, Kontakt is nearly a "must have" to get the highest quality and coolest libraries.  It comes with an almost bewildering amount of content right out of the box, and the libraries you can add to it are the best around.  Warning,,, buying cool sound sets is addictive, though,,,, lol
 
If you went with Komplete, you also get Guitar Rig, which you may find useful.  You also get some really top quality synths and a ton of drum stuff and sample crunching stuff.  Overall, it's a power package. 
 
I'm new to it and I've spent a ton of money on stuff I probably won't use much, now that I have Kontakt. 
 
It's not cheap, but it's sweet.  You can get whatever you want now,,, but I can almost guarantee that you will eventually want to have Kontakt. 
 
ETA,,, I just got Komplete and I'm blown away,,,
 
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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/17 19:44:05 (permalink)
Well, so far I have the Korg Legacy Collection on the way.  I bought the EMU libraries for Dim Pro from Digital Sound Factory.
 
I will probably buy at least Komplete 9 once I build my Paypal account back up or just get impatient to have it available.

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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/18 00:58:58 (permalink)
hope you enjoy it Mod Bod.  Seriously, there are so many good options. 
 
 
ETA,,,  with your Fatar Controller you would love Addictive Keys
 
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/xln-audio-addictive-keys-studio-collection-promo-pak
 
It's a gem and only $29 
 
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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/18 09:07:47 (permalink)
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hope you enjoy it Mod Bod.  Seriously, there are so many good options. 
 
 
ETA,,,  with your Fatar Controller you would love Addictive Keys
 
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/xln-audio-addictive-keys-studio-collection-promo-pak
 
It's a gem and only $29 
 


I've already got ALL the EZkeys libraries and sometimes too many options slow me down more than not having any.   

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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/18 14:01:44 (permalink)


I've already got ALL the EZkeys libraries and sometimes too many options slow me down more than not having any.   



Ain't that the truth. I suffer from that on a regular basis. Less is more sometimes.
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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/18 14:04:33 (permalink)
Hey, I used EZKeys for the piano on THIS SONG
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Hey, I used EZKeys for the piano on THIS SONG


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Re: I don't want to buy VST Soft synths... 2013/10/20 02:53:50 (permalink)
Just a thought here, I use to take my Roland XP30 on the road loaded with a 60/70s expansion card, its not a Hammond B3 but close in a mix, your hands won't bleed on this one! Lots of classic sounds plus the keyboard itself is a great controller with a good feel, comes loaded with a lot of quality sound, doesn't take up much room. I still use mine for different stuff.
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