yorolpal


Nope...that's not how it works.  You can always reinstall your plugs and get new licenses if needed no matter what your scenario.  You just might have a day or three wait...maybe not even that.  Again...you can authorize to a USB stick or your computer and your licenses are kept in WAVES cloud account. If you have a catastrophic occurrence you WILL be able to restore your licenses. At least that is what they tout.  I've had one iLok go bad (before WAVES went proprietary) and I was without those plugins...WAVES included...for about four days.  And that was with iLok!!!!!  My advice would be don't over think or over worry about such things...or, conversely, don't buy the plugins. Simplze.

Thanks brother, that's what I thought. 


Don't know what part of the thread sent to those conclusions. I love the Waves plugs I bought as Pro Channel alternatives. I'm thinking after being very Cake oriented it's time to share the love. Glad I don't have to purchase a license every year.


I can skip that second Martini.  ....... But the shaker IS in the freezer.

I gave 'em a chance, but I'm done with Waves

Good for you. That's one less person in the queue when I need support on the phone. Thanks for thinking of me Dave.

My favorites in the on hold sweepstakes are those companies that purposely put on the most irritating stuff they can find played just a tad too loud in a very real attempt to force you off the line.

Zo

bapu

I gave 'em a chance, but I'm done with Waves

Good for you. That's one less person in the queue when I need support on the phone. Thanks for thinking of me Dave.

 you never stop .....

I do pause occasionally though.

I just bought the CLA Bundle (CLA Vocals, Guitars, etc).  It's on sale for $179.  I finally got it installed- after finding out I needed an Ilok because I'm running Vista.  But I've got to say it was the worst music software install experience I've EVER had.  They're totally paranoid about licensing.  I guess there are reasons for it but man...  The experience has been a turnoff for me- although the L2 is on sale for $79 and I'll probably get it.  The CLA stuff is really CPU hog-ish too!  Bigtime! 

OH F*CK ME! SAY IT AIN'T SO...

I just opened an old project that had an instance of Waves' Doubler in it, and got the same damn message as before, when I started this thread:





The "Rescan Licenses" button does nothing, then SONAR crashes on exit. Ran the Waves License Center, but this time there is no option to transfer licenses from the "License Cloud". If I click "View All Licenses" it does list my licenses, but I cannot select them to do anything. How can it know the licenses exist while simultaneously denying that they do?


I have a pretty high tolerance for software hassles, but this crosses the threshold. With any other vendor, I'd contact them for advice, but that option is not available to me without buying into their upgrade plan. 


I am now not only DONE with Waves for good, but I will also make it my mission to spread the word at every opportunity. Marketing research shows that unhappy customers will tell 20 times as many people about their bad experience than a happy customer. Any Waves Streetwalkers here I can complain to?

Well, I got the licenses back again via the "recover" option, despite their warning that you can only do this once per year. Whew.

I'm still pretty sure there are no more Waves purchases in my future.

Never say never. You never know when they might release that Universal Gooderizer plugin we'll always heard about, and if that happens you wouldn't want to be the only one who didn't have it.

They would have to have 'Two Knobs' and a nice 'A$$' before I would spend any more of my money on them... 

I must say I'm pretty much off the idea of buying any Waves plugins after reading this thread. 

sharke


I must say I'm pretty much off the idea of buying any Waves plugins after reading this thread. 

I will rebuy my mercury any day specially at actuall prices ....the quality and quantity and variety of tools you have for the price of 10 199$ plugins is just crazy ...


Also (hope it will continue) , i had zero issues with licences !!! for real ....local or usb stick ...


I'm pretty sure it's due to some specific system configuration maybe ....also their support is pro level ....the wup update sucks but is still ok ...


Unless you boyocott israelis product (for political convictions) i don't see anything to not going waves ....(exept also if you don't like the sound !!) ;)

Im not Zo...but I used to be a WAVES poo pooer (he he... I said poo poo) until I got a few of the more esoteric plugs (TransX, Audio Track, Aphex, HLS channel, etc...) and then the CLA and JJP sig series.  The waves stuff may be like the emperors clothing but to me they have a larger "aural signature" than other plugs.  Sort of like my Nomad Factory stuff.  You turn knobs and stuff happens.  Good stuff.  They seem very tweakable and very useful.  And, more importantly, they sound good.  I also, like Bit, thought at first that the Signature series stuff was sort of a solution in search of a problem...till I used them.  While I could live without my Kramer or Maserati they'd have to pry my CLA and JJP out of my cold dead hands.  They are just too easy and too good.  Of course, in my line of work I have to get good mixes up quickly and out the door.  And they certainly help me do that.  On my own stuff that has no time table I'll try almost everything and tweak till the cows come home.  Just my 2 cents re WAVES.

PS: As I've said before...a feller could do a lot worse than just buy a decent reverb and then everything FabFilter sells and just be done with that.

bitflipper


Zo, as a fan of Waves who has and uses everything they sell, what would you consider to be an example of a Waves plugin that has no viable alternative? 

I know RenBass / MaxxBass are frequently cited. But what about bread 'n butter effects such as compressors, gates, limiters, equalizers, reverbs and delays? Surely there are many quality alternatives within those categories. 

And isn't there a lot of redundancy in the Mercury bundle? All those one-knob and two-knob dumbed-down plugins with famous engineers' names attached seem like an attempt to repackage the same things over and over.


(And no, I do not boycott Israeli companies for political reasons.  I don't even boycott companies based in Massachusetts, despite their attempt to unload their governor on us.)

Lol , well first to cite the poopoo post of Pal ;) i never been a waves lover for real ...but simple thing like the S1 imager, Xnoise , Doubler, Hdelay,Paz analyser, metal flanger,transX (transient designer style), L3/16 ect ........are stuff that are  not heavily used but life saver so many time ...i own all softubes and even if you own all uad or waht ever brand , the only brands that provide ALL a PRO mix need is waves .....(maybe Mc DSP but don't know all their line)  ...to get the equivalent you will have to get X rands equivalent and will end up with way more ....and not speacially better ...


Of course you have stuff in Mercury you don't use (one knob , artists series for my part ..C1, ect ..) but at the end it's still the best deal around specially when 300 $ a year you have all new plugins ....

simple thing like the S1 imager, Xnoise , Doubler, Hdelay,Paz analyser, metal flanger,transX (transient designer style), L3/16 ect ........are stuff that are  not heavily used but life saver so many time

These are the types of effects that drew me to Waves in the first place: the rarely-used specialty processors that have no equivalent. 


The only two Waves plugins I own are both on your list (TransX and Doubler). The others you listed, I think I could duplicate them all with non-Waves plugins. This is reassuring, given my determination to avoid Waves in the future, so thanks for that, Zo.

This all sounds too easy zo, like the difference between using a dishwasher or cleaning the dishes manually. But if I had money and the certainty that everything would work when I needed it to work, I might one day be surfing on the waves, too.