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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 11:52:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2014/11/16 12:32:35
Geeze....you guys are great!
Here he was down and out having given up composing and you've gone and found
something that he has a talent for and a fresh new road for him to travel...now that's the
value of a great forum like this. Multi-talented members I'm talkin'.
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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 13:05:59 (permalink)
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I admire you ZeldaAdmirer. In just eight posts you have written more words than I have in total on this entire site.
 
I hope you take pleasure in at least that.




His verbosity is positively Pedrovian.

 
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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 13:09:16 (permalink)
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I admire you ZeldaAdmirer. In just eight posts you have written more words than I have in total on this entire site.
 
I hope you take pleasure in at least that.




His verbosity is positively Pedrovian.


Brilliant.
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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 14:34:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2014/11/16 14:45:15
The OP just needs to roll his sleeves up and sink his teeth into some strenuous labor. There's nothing like hard work to get the endorphins moving and to stop all of that pretentious psychoanalysis from bouncing around your brain. I don't think I've ever met anyone who was both introspective and happy. ZeldaAdmirer you remind me a little of me back when I had a spell of unemployment in my early 20's. I spent much of the day stoned out of my mind thinking endless thoughts about myself and my place in the universe. What was my purpose? What is happiness? What is pleasure? What is my destiny? And I ended up deeply unhappy, convinced that I was incapable of feeling happiness or relating normally to people. When you're in that pretentious state of mind you're guaranteed not to enjoy life. You can't take the rough with the smooth. Every setback turns into a tragedy of almost biblical proportions. You're looking for some kind of spiritual completeness which doesn't exist and because you can't attain it, you're in a perpetual gloom. And then you start thinking that other people are enjoying this spiritual completeness without you (they're not) and the envy kicks in. It's horrible. And in all that time, I had people older and wiser than me telling me that I just needed to STFU and get on with life without thinking about it. Oh how clueless they seemed! They didn't understand! They're obviously not as sensitive and artistic as me! BOO....FREAKIN'....HOO. That's what it all boils down to. Boo freakin' hoo. They were right, and I was wrong. 
 
I know women who have spent their whole lives in that introspective state, their noses forever in some BS "self help" book or other, and they will reach their 60's and 70's without ever having enjoyed life.  Alright so there may be one or two good books. But the vast majority are nothing more than the psychological equivalent of dietary fads that will never, ever incorporate themselves into the fabric of your life or make you feel better. And neither will your own self-analysis. 
 
Just accept that it's not going to get you anywhere, stop thinking about it and throw yourself into some hard work, doesn't have to be physical necessarily. I don't know if you're currently working or unemployed but it sounds like you have a lot of time on your hands to think. And your thoughts are torturing you. What I found was that when I shifted my arse in gear and lost myself in hard work, the BS thoughts took a back seat. They were still there, but I just didn't have time to indulge them. After a while they just gave up and took off to bother some other poor sap, and all of a sudden I found I was enjoying life again, just like I did when I was a kid and all of that pretentious hogwash hadn't infected my brain. Nowadays I don't look for any higher meaning of life and I don't really care. That's not to say I'm not curious about "all that," but now it's just an interesting subject to be entertained every now and then along with all of the other interesting subjects which vie for my attention. 
 
I hate to come across as unsympathetic, but you REALLY need to force yourself to occupy your mind with non-destructive, non-pretentious thoughts. They're ultimately pointless. 

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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 14:38:52 (permalink)
Well said James.
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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 14:41:16 (permalink)
Countdown to when ZeldaAdmirer comes back and tells James how he's wrong and he just doesn't understand.
 
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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 14:54:20 (permalink)
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The OP....etc




 
Brilliant post. Bravo sir.

 
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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 14:56:32 (permalink)
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The OP just needs to roll his sleeves up and sink his teeth into some strenuous labor. There's nothing like hard work to get the endorphins moving and to stop all of that pretentious psychoanalysis from bouncing around your brain. I don't think I've ever met anyone who was both introspective and happy. ZeldaAdmirer you remind me a little of me back when I had a spell of unemployment in my early 20's. I spent much of the day stoned out of my mind thinking endless thoughts about myself and my place in the universe. What was my purpose? What is happiness? What is pleasure? What is my destiny? And I ended up deeply unhappy, convinced that I was incapable of feeling happiness or relating normally to people. When you're in that pretentious state of mind you're guaranteed not to enjoy life. You can't take the rough with the smooth. Every setback turns into a tragedy of almost biblical proportions. You're looking for some kind of spiritual completeness which doesn't exist and because you can't attain it, you're in a perpetual gloom. And then you start thinking that other people are enjoying this spiritual completeness without you (they're not) and the envy kicks in. It's horrible. And in all that time, I had people older and wiser than me telling me that I just needed to STFU and get on with life without thinking about it. Oh how clueless they seemed! They didn't understand! They're obviously not as sensitive and artistic as me! BOO....FREAKIN'....HOO. That's what it all boils down to. Boo freakin' hoo. They were right, and I was wrong. 
 
I know women who have spent their whole lives in that introspective state, their noses forever in some BS "self help" book or other, and they will reach their 60's and 70's without ever having enjoyed life.  Alright so there may be one or two good books. But the vast majority are nothing more than the psychological equivalent of dietary fads that will never, ever incorporate themselves into the fabric of your life or make you feel better. And neither will your own self-analysis. 
 
Just accept that it's not going to get you anywhere, stop thinking about it and throw yourself into some hard work, doesn't have to be physical necessarily. I don't know if you're currently working or unemployed but it sounds like you have a lot of time on your hands to think. And your thoughts are torturing you. What I found was that when I shifted my arse in gear and lost myself in hard work, the BS thoughts took a back seat. They were still there, but I just didn't have time to indulge them. After a while they just gave up and took off to bother some other poor sap, and all of a sudden I found I was enjoying life again, just like I did when I was a kid and all of that pretentious hogwash hadn't infected my brain. Nowadays I don't look for any higher meaning of life and I don't really care. That's not to say I'm not curious about "all that," but now it's just an interesting subject to be entertained every now and then along with all of the other interesting subjects which vie for my attention. 
 
I hate to come across as unsympathetic, but you REALLY need to force yourself to occupy your mind with non-destructive, non-pretentious thoughts. They're ultimately pointless. 




You can do either one of four things here at this point if you have lost the truly greatest thing in your life.  You can either: 1.) Find greater value in other things in life than your pleasure (which doesn't exist at all for me nor will it ever) 2.) Live your life trying to gain back what you lost 3.) Live your life as a whiny complaining child and be deemed by others as just an inferior whiny spoiled brat or 4.) In the event that one cannot gain back his/her loss, then become someone who is at least somewhat superior and great before his/her death despite his/her absence of pleasure through being a psychopath like Hitler who demands his/her life back (which would be my life of pleasure) who deems people as inferior who have little to no value towards his/her pleasure and towards his/her loss of pleasure and seeks out such people and slaughters them before slaughtering his/herself.  In other words, take others with him/her to his/her death since pleasure was the only greatest thing to him/her in life and, without the ability to ever recover it, then his/her life is worth ending as well as ending the lives of those other people I mentioned.  
 
I should also say something else very important here which is that Hitler would only be superior for having pleasure and also only if he killed off the types of people I mentioned here.  But aside from his pleasure, Hitler would not be anyone superior for having killed genuinely innocent and compassionate people.  However, he would be superior for wanting power and control in his life.  Therefore, there are 3 parallel aspects of Hitler that define his personal value and worth as a human being:  1.) His amount of pleasure in life 2.) The fact that he killed innocent people which made him a bad person in one sense 3.) The fact that he lived his life wanting and having power and control in his life which made him superior in another sense.  So you might then be asking between #2 and #3 as to whether he would be considered a superior or inferior person.  The answer to that would be that you can look at it either way.  But like I said, pleasure is what really defines your personal value and worth as a human being and all other things in life such as who you are as a person are all neutral (neither good or bad).  The reason why I say that Hitler would either be a good or bad person anyway is simply because this is how I would feel when the fact of the matter is that all those other things in life besides your own pleasure and suffering are all neutral.
 
Now in my paragraph above my previous one I just made, #2 and #4 apply to me (#4 only being an absolute last resort).  I know I said earlier in my writing that I would never harm myself or others.  However, if it comes down to me never being able to significantly recover my pleasure, then that is when I will be brought to the point of harming myself and others.  But fortunately, I don't think it can ever be proven as to whether I will or I won't significantly or fully recover my pleasure since there are people who live many years with little to no pleasure and yet find significant and even full recovery later on in life.  So I don't think I have to worry about #4 ever happening.
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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 15:19:31 (permalink)
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The OP just needs to roll his sleeves up and sink his teeth into some strenuous labor. There's nothing like hard work to get the endorphins moving and to stop all of that pretentious psychoanalysis from bouncing around your brain. I don't think I've ever met anyone who was both introspective and happy. ZeldaAdmirer you remind me a little of me back when I had a spell of unemployment in my early 20's. I spent much of the day stoned out of my mind thinking endless thoughts about myself and my place in the universe. What was my purpose? What is happiness? What is pleasure? What is my destiny? And I ended up deeply unhappy, convinced that I was incapable of feeling happiness or relating normally to people. When you're in that pretentious state of mind you're guaranteed not to enjoy life. You can't take the rough with the smooth. Every setback turns into a tragedy of almost biblical proportions. You're looking for some kind of spiritual completeness which doesn't exist and because you can't attain it, you're in a perpetual gloom. And then you start thinking that other people are enjoying this spiritual completeness without you (they're not) and the envy kicks in. It's horrible. And in all that time, I had people older and wiser than me telling me that I just needed to STFU and get on with life without thinking about it. Oh how clueless they seemed! They didn't understand! They're obviously not as sensitive and artistic as me! BOO....FREAKIN'....HOO. That's what it all boils down to. Boo freakin' hoo. They were right, and I was wrong. 
 
I know women who have spent their whole lives in that introspective state, their noses forever in some BS "self help" book or other, and they will reach their 60's and 70's without ever having enjoyed life.  Alright so there may be one or two good books. But the vast majority are nothing more than the psychological equivalent of dietary fads that will never, ever incorporate themselves into the fabric of your life or make you feel better. And neither will your own self-analysis. 
 
Just accept that it's not going to get you anywhere, stop thinking about it and throw yourself into some hard work, doesn't have to be physical necessarily. I don't know if you're currently working or unemployed but it sounds like you have a lot of time on your hands to think. And your thoughts are torturing you. What I found was that when I shifted my arse in gear and lost myself in hard work, the BS thoughts took a back seat. They were still there, but I just didn't have time to indulge them. After a while they just gave up and took off to bother some other poor sap, and all of a sudden I found I was enjoying life again, just like I did when I was a kid and all of that pretentious hogwash hadn't infected my brain. Nowadays I don't look for any higher meaning of life and I don't really care. That's not to say I'm not curious about "all that," but now it's just an interesting subject to be entertained every now and then along with all of the other interesting subjects which vie for my attention. 
 
I hate to come across as unsympathetic, but you REALLY need to force yourself to occupy your mind with non-destructive, non-pretentious thoughts. They're ultimately pointless. 


Very well said sharke. I hope ZeldaAdmirer finds the right path to wellness. 

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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 15:53:43 (permalink)
At this point I think he has a serious case of narcissism. Nobody's opinion or experience or knowledge matters, just his own thoughts. And now he's talking about the possibility of harming others. Based on what he just wrote, I would seriously think about alerting the authorities.

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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 15:57:13 (permalink)
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At this point I think he has a serious case of narcissism. Nobody's opinion or experience or knowledge matters, just his own thoughts. And now he's talking about the possibility of harming others. Based on what he just wrote, I would seriously think about alerting the authorities.

But he recants harm to him/herself or others at the end of that post.
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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 16:01:13 (permalink)
He might well recant it, but he's entertaining those thoughts. Not to mention Adolf Hitler. DING DONG! There's your alarm bell right there.
 
 

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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 16:14:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2014/11/16 20:45:09

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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 16:21:28 (permalink)
sharke
 I don't think I've ever met anyone who was both introspective and happy. 
 



Hi, my name is Krist. Nice to meet you. :)
 
I totally get what you mean though.
 
I've always been subject to depression and the darkest imaginable moods. BUT, they never last. And the reason they don't is that I quickly reach a point where I get so fascinated with those feelings and my reaction to them that they become an impersonal thing. The focus shifts away from me. Pain dulls and fades as I become absorbed trying to understand the feelings.
 
As far as I'm concerned, self-loathing leads to disregard for oneself and their hurt feelings, anyway. 
 
That and moving. So move. Hit the gym or run a few miles. Go out and help feed the homeless or distribute clothes to veterans. Animal shelter are always looking for volunteers. 
 
And if that seems impossible, get help. The slightest chemical imbalance can destroy your life, there's no shame in having such a possibility investigated. 
 
 

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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 16:31:08 (permalink)
I should also say something else very important here which is that Hitler would only be superior for having pleasure and also only if he killed off the types of people I mentioned here.  But aside from his pleasure, Hitler would not be anyone superior for having killed genuinely innocent and compassionate people.  However, he would be superior for wanting power and control in his life.  Therefore, there are 3 parallel aspects of Hitler that define his personal value and worth as a human being:  1.) His amount of pleasure in life 2.) The fact that he killed innocent people which made him a bad person in one sense 3.) The fact that he lived his life wanting and having power and control in his life which made him superior in another sense.  So you might then be asking between #2 and #3 as to whether he would be considered a superior or inferior person.  The answer to that would be that you can look at it either way.  But like I said, pleasure is what really defines your personal value and worth as a human being and all other things in life such as who you are as a person are all neutral (neither good or bad).  The reason why I say that Hitler would either be a good or bad person anyway is simply because this is how I would feel when the fact of the matter is that all those other things in life besides your own pleasure and suffering are all neutral.
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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 16:41:13 (permalink)
Shut up about Hitler. Shut up about yourself. Why not addres the points other people have made here? You don't. You just keep babbling this self psychoanalysis which everyone here knows is the problem. You are so wrapped up in yourself it's inreal. All this "I know I will never experience happiness" BS is just attention seeking drama.

ATTENTION SEEKING DRAMA.

You're not the only one who's prone to it. But that doesn't make it any better.

Rain is right, you need to get out there and help others. Even if it's cats. This will shift the focus away from yourself (finally!) and help make you realize that there's a lot more to life than your excruciating self-analysis.

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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 16:49:05 (permalink)
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I should also say something else very important here which is that Hitler would only be superior for having pleasure and also only if he killed off the types of people I mentioned here.  But aside from his pleasure, Hitler would not be anyone superior for having killed genuinely innocent and compassionate people.  However, he would be superior for wanting power and control in his life.  Therefore, there are 3 parallel aspects of Hitler that define his personal value and worth as a human being:  1.) His amount of pleasure in life 2.) The fact that he killed innocent people which made him a bad person in one sense 3.) The fact that he lived his life wanting and having power and control in his life which made him superior in another sense.  So you might then be asking between #2 and #3 as to whether he would be considered a superior or inferior person.  The answer to that would be that you can look at it either way.  But like I said, pleasure is what really defines your personal value and worth as a human being and all other things in life such as who you are as a person are all neutral (neither good or bad).  The reason why I say that Hitler would either be a good or bad person anyway is simply because this is how I would feel when the fact of the matter is that all those other things in life besides your own pleasure and suffering are all neutral.




 
If you think you're educating us, it's pointless.
Brilliant philosophers and psychologists have been writing books dealing with those concepts for centuries.
I'm guessing that you've been reading some of those...
As did many here.
It's not news anymore.
 
Intellectual masturbation is fine, so long as we don't use this forum as a kleenex.
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 16:53:39 (permalink)
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Shut up about Hitler. Shut up about yourself. Why not addres the points other people have made here? You don't. You just keep babbling this self psychoanalysis which everyone here knows is the problem. You are so wrapped up in yourself it's inreal. All this "I know I will never experience happiness" BS is just attention seeking drama.

ATTENTION SEEKING DRAMA.

You're not the only one who's prone to it. But that doesn't make it any better.

Rain is right, you need to get out there and help others. Even if it's cats. This will shift the focus away from yourself (finally!) and help make you realize that there's a lot more to life than your excruciating self-analysis.



That was my final point I just wanted to make here.  No need to take any offense to it.  All our personal values are subjective in life anyway and hold true only for ourselves and are not objectively true.  Yes, others do matter from my perspective and I am already helping others in addition to talking out my issues here.  And even if I didn't help and care for others anyway, the opinion of others would not make me a good or bad person since it is only their own perspectives.  I am only in my own mind and not in the minds of others.  Therefore, only my own personal value attributed to me holds true for me and the opinions of others (whether they be positive or negative) can never be somehow magically projected onto me and make me that person since it is not scientifically possible to do so.  Again, same thing with my pleasure in that only my own pleasure matters and makes me a good person since pleasure is the only thing that defines "good."  I can live my life valuing the pleasure of others.  But all thoughts and personal meanings we create in life are all neutral.  Therefore, even my own value towards the pleasure of others is neutral even if I were to tell myself the message such as that "At least I have given others pleasure because it is good for them despite my own absence of pleasure."  I am not in the minds of those other people and cannot experience their pleasure.  Therefore, it is only my own pleasure that is good.  Even if it were pleasure that is obtained from either witnessing others experiencing pleasure or even me obtaining pleasure from harming others.  Even if I were somehow a psychopath right now who obtains pleasure from harming others, I would still be a good person since my own pleasure is the only thing that defines me and my life as being good.
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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 17:01:16 (permalink)
"Even if I were somehow a psychopath right now who obtains pleasure from harming others, I would still be a good person since my own pleasure is the only thing that defines me and my life as being good." -- pointless philosophical wankery which will ultimately have no bearing on whether or not you enjoy your life. Put whatever pretentious philosophy books you've been reading back on the shelf and never touch them again. They are turning your mind to mush.

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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 17:03:43 (permalink)
We all know where this is going to end...


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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 17:04:42 (permalink)
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"Even if I were somehow a psychopath right now who obtains pleasure from harming others, I would still be a good person since my own pleasure is the only thing that defines me and my life as being good." -- pointless philosophical wankery which will ultimately have no bearing on whether or not you enjoy your life. Put whatever pretentious philosophy books you've been reading back on the shelf and never touch them again. They are turning your mind to mush.




These are my own personal philosophies.  I have never studied up on philosophy or even science.  All these philosophies I made all come from my own personal profound experience of pleasure in life and just how great it was to me and also my personal experience now of depression and anhedonia which is the worst experience for me.
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Re: I give up being a composer 2014/11/16 17:12:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2014/11/16 17:04:24
I think this has gone on long enough - responding to a complaint, I am locking this thread.
 
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