jbow
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/19 09:40:05
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Moshkito
Hi,
Best solution?
No Apple for me! PERIOD!
Well, I like everything else about my iPhone, except it's cost. The Apps all work well, I use iBooks more than Kindle for now. It just works... except for iTunes and I absolutely refuse to use Apple Music. Maybe that is the problem. Maybe they are intentionally making iTunes a PITA to push people to Apple Music, it wouldn't surprise me one bit. I could look at a Windows phone or some Andriod something but everyone I know uses iPhones and I don't want to make some mistake where I all of a sudden can't get messages or something. The "law of unintended consequences" is ALWAYS at work. J
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/19 11:49:00
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jbow
@ Craig... what are those speakers?
They came from Sharper Image. In fact, they were having a sale which included an additional 50% off if you bought a second set so I have two. There's actually a subwoofer in the base of one and they work great!
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/19 13:04:41
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The biggest issue that I have with the iPhone is hanging onto wall chargers and the Lightning chords. We have a family plan and there are 3 units using the Lightening Plug. I seem to be buying them constantly because the two women in my family are "misplacing" them all of the time.
Worse is that they have figured out my iPad charger actually charges their phones faster than a standard phone plug. Now I am having to replace that plug when it turns up missing.
Last weekend, while up at Lowes, I discovered that they make electrical outlets with built in USB slots for charging. I bought one with 2 USB slots, on the spot. Hopefully this weekend, I will have time to install that outlet, stretigically, some where at home and start testing it out. If it is successfully used, I may be installing more of these outlets around the house. My guess is that the are a permanent installation, so I may end up saving money, at least, on plugs....but maybe not chords.
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/19 16:08:54
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Best reason to use iTunes: Smart Playlists.
I have not seen any other implementation that works as well as Apple's, and I have looked because I would love not to have my library be so dependent on Apple's whims.
I have playlists that auto-rotate music onto my iPhone whenever I sync using a complex set of smart playlists that take into account genre, ratings, play count, and last played date. Couldn't live without 'em (/hyperbole).
Dan
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/19 16:48:02
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dcumpian
Best reason to use iTunes: Smart Playlists.
I have not seen any other implementation that works as well as Apple's, and I have looked because I would love not to have my library be so dependent on Apple's whims.
I have playlists that auto-rotate music onto my iPhone whenever I sync using a complex set of smart playlists that take into account genre, ratings, play count, and last played date. Couldn't live without 'em (/hyperbole).
Dan
Um, as mentioned above, MediaMonkey? It's better at all iTunes features than Apple is, plus it has FAR more abilities if you need them and, if that's not enough, there are addons to cover just about anything else you may need. 
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/19 17:12:34
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Does anyone else still sit and actually listen to an album anymore? And if so, why would you then want to listen to an mp3? I've only ever bought a handful of tracks in mp3 form, and that's only because there was no physical CD available. And I still like to set aside time to make listening to an album an 'event' - a bit like it used to be when going through the ritual of listening to an LP. Don't get wrong, I'm not an audiophile snob by any stretch of the imagination, but playing a CD through my old Pioneer amplifier and TDK speakers seems eminently more rewarding and worthwhile than listening to lossy, compressed alternatives. Surely it can't just be down to convenience, or to available 'space'. I'm guessing most of those here who are old enough had (or still have) large record collections? Agreed, a large 'physical' record collection isn't as portable or practical as an iPod stocked up with thousands of tracks, but that's sort of my point - if you listen to music on the go, then surely you're not really "listening"? I may be way off here, but I can't understand why the sort of person who frequents an audio-related forums like here, and who more than likely has spent thousands on buying the best hardware and software to allow them to create high quality music, would then settle for poor quality compressed audio when CD (and CD quality or better) alternatives are easily available.
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/19 19:06:34
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SteveStrummerUK
Does anyone else still sit and actually listen to an album anymore?
Not many it seems. But I do. ;) I do prefer highest possible resolution, but there are times for me when compressed format is acceptable (192 kbps or higher). To be honest, modern production values and loudness wars are a much bigger deterrent to me than compressed formats. Hence I can listen to a MP3 of an old Judas Priest bootleg but I can't bring myself to listen to more than a song or two of quite a few of the more recent CD's I've bought in the last years. That being said, when it's an option, I always go for the CD, and I sure wish we could buy high resolution files from within iTunes. I also dream they'd offer unmastered final mix versions, but that's another story. In the meantime, it's still my default music player.
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/19 19:11:07
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SteveStrummerUK
Don't get wrong, I'm not an audiophile snob by any stretch of the imagination, but playing a CD through my old Pioneer amplifier and TDK speakers seems eminently more rewarding and worthwhile than listening to lossy, compressed alternatives.
Surely it can't just be down to convenience, or to available 'space'. I'm guessing most of those here who are old enough had (or still have) large record collections? Agreed, a large 'physical' record collection isn't as portable or practical as an iPod stocked up with thousands of tracks, but that's sort of my point - if you listen to music on the go, then surely you're not really "listening"?
I may be way off here, but I can't understand why the sort of person who frequents an audio-related forums like here, and who more than likely has spent thousands on buying the best hardware and software to allow them to create high quality music, would then settle for poor quality compressed audio when CD (and CD quality or better) alternatives are easily available.
hi steve, firstly,i dont have many mp3`s either-all my vinyl and cd library was imported using either Apple Lossless or FLAC with the occasional mp4.-not exactly "poor quality compressed audio" and with virtually unlimited storage now there is no excuse for low bitrate mp3`s-the junk food of audio. it`s true i dont critically listen on the tractor or doing menial work but as i wear HD 280`s instead of earmuffs the sound quality is far from ideal but its definatelt horses for courses. DanCumpian was on to it with playlists by genre-i have one for each occasion but mainly only as background music. to be honest i am 61 and cannot tell the difference between lossless and the original so for convenience sake i will stick to the ipad. cheers
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/19 20:09:31
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Even almost 50 years ago, I wasn't into the whole "album" experience (I didn't stare at the covers or really get too much into who the actual musicians were - I was all about the music!). I probably ended up with one of the first turntables where you could stack records so you didn't have to get up every 20+ minutes to turn the dang thing over. I was always the one who wanted the most non-stop music so I could enjoy it while doing other things (usually reading when I was young, then programming as I got older, now it's just sitting trying to remember what I'm supposed to be doing...  ). I used to have well over 2,000 records. Heavy suckers and even the newer, longer playing variety still suffered from the issues mentioned above. Then I moved on to CD's and it didn't take long before I had thousands of those too. I had two of these custom cabinets to hold the CD cases (this one also had an area for video - 2,000 at a time of the CD's themselves were in the Sony Jukeboxes mentioned before). These cabinets were designed by me to fit along a dining room wall that only had about a 5" or 6" depth - the doors matched those in the kitchen making a nice flowing look (the other pics are not online):  Now my entire collection at 192 kbps can fit on a 3 TB external hard drive! (I have other drives for saving the higher resolution files and other things like additional artwork or notes.) So, to answer Steve's question, I love to listen to albums in their entirety and usually expect certain songs to follow others because of it. That said, I ALSO love to shuffle-play some large playlist of related songs while I'm doing other things (like typing this post!).
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/19 20:54:57
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SteveStrummerUK
Does anyone else still sit and actually listen to an album anymore?
I often set things up to random play complete albums, from a library of I don't even know how many albums.
And if so, why would you then want to listen to an mp3?
I've only ever bought a handful of tracks in mp3 form, and that's only because there was no physical CD available. And I still like to set aside time to make listening to an album an 'event' - a bit like it used to be when going through the ritual of listening to an LP.
Don't get wrong, I'm not an audiophile snob by any stretch of the imagination, but playing a CD through my old Pioneer amplifier and TDK speakers seems eminently more rewarding and worthwhile than listening to lossy, compressed alternatives.
Surely it can't just be down to convenience, or to available 'space'. I'm guessing most of those here who are old enough had (or still have) large record collections? Agreed, a large 'physical' record collection isn't as portable or practical as an iPod stocked up with thousands of tracks, but that's sort of my point - if you listen to music on the go, then surely you're not really "listening"?
I may be way off here, but I can't understand why the sort of person who frequents an audio-related forums like here, and who more than likely has spent thousands on buying the best hardware and software to allow them to create high quality music, would then settle for poor quality compressed audio when CD (and CD quality or better) alternatives are easily available.
Some of us do care about audio quality, but only care about things that make a difference in the real world under real world listening conditions. Of course one has to accept certain objective principles and invest some time if one wishes to only care about real things in the real world and have any hope of learning what those things are and are not.
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/19 21:11:07
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SteveStrummerUK
Does anyone else still sit and actually listen to an album anymore?
And if so, why would you then want to listen to an mp3?
Turn tables just weren't working well for me when I was up at the health club on the tread mill or walking the dog in the evenings.  I must be one of the few people left in the US that still buys CD's. I have a turn table, but its not as good as the system that I had back in the 80's when you could still easily buy real equipment. I am amazed these days when you walk into any high end audio store, how hard it is just to find a cabinet with 10" speakers in it.
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dcumpian
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/20 08:28:46
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Does anyone else still sit and actually listen to an album anymore?
And if so, why would you then want to listen to an mp3?
I do. And a properly encoded mp3 file sounds exactly like the CD it came from, to my ears. I'm 53, so I can't hear bats talk anymore. Regards, Dan
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/20 08:32:45
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I have a turn table, but its not as good as the system that I had back in the 80's when you could still easily buy real equipment. I am amazed these days when you walk into any high end audio store, how hard it is just to find a cabinet with 10" speakers in it.
Walked into a thrift shop about 6 weeks ago and found a set of 1980 3-way Technics (with a 10") for $15. Clean/clear top end and ZERO hyped bass... they sound so much better and more natural than the moderately priced Polks they replaced.
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/20 08:34:44
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dcumpian
Best reason to use iTunes: Smart Playlists.
I have not seen any other implementation that works as well as Apple's, and I have looked because I would love not to have my library be so dependent on Apple's whims.
I have playlists that auto-rotate music onto my iPhone whenever I sync using a complex set of smart playlists that take into account genre, ratings, play count, and last played date. Couldn't live without 'em (/hyperbole).
Dan
Um, as mentioned above, MediaMonkey? It's better at all iTunes features than Apple is, plus it has FAR more abilities if you need them and, if that's not enough, there are addons to cover just about anything else you may need.
Last time I checked, MediaMonkey only partially supported what iTunes can do in regards to smart playlists, but that was a couple of years ago. I think there were some things that didn't get fed back to the library besides play counts. If you are ever curious, there is/was a guy going by the name of "Code Monkey" who put together a very comprehensive PDF on building a smart playlist based library. It took me 3 days to build it initially, because there are so many playlists and they depend on each other to work properly. The end result is truly wonderful and I love that I never really know what's going to come up next, but that it generally will fit the mood and my favorites are sprinkled about like seasoning. Regards, Dan
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/20 09:21:22
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Well, I like everything else about my iPhone, except it's cost. The Apps all work well .....
I just could never afford the Apple stuff. And then, later, I could get 2 computers for the price of one, and at least upgrade memory, video, hard drive ... and that won it for me. Apple is a part of the throwaway society ...
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/20 13:00:11
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To those who can't tell the difference between CD and mp3, I have to say I agree to a point - that is I find it very difficult to tell when listening to music that has a lot of 'space' in it. The stuff I mostly listen to - rock, punk and metal - typically contains distorted guitars in the mix, and it is in this kind of track that I find the difference most noticeable, and where mp3s seem to lose the most quality.
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/20 13:15:35
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SteveStrummerUK
Does anyone else still sit and actually listen to an album anymore?
And if so, why would you then want to listen to an mp3?
I've only ever bought a handful of tracks in mp3 form, and that's only because there was no physical CD available. And I still like to set aside time to make listening to an album an 'event' - a bit like it used to be when going through the ritual of listening to an LP.
Don't get wrong, I'm not an audiophile snob by any stretch of the imagination, but playing a CD through my old Pioneer amplifier and TDK speakers seems eminently more rewarding and worthwhile than listening to lossy, compressed alternatives.
Surely it can't just be down to convenience, or to available 'space'. I'm guessing most of those here who are old enough had (or still have) large record collections? Agreed, a large 'physical' record collection isn't as portable or practical as an iPod stocked up with thousands of tracks, but that's sort of my point - if you listen to music on the go, then surely you're not really "listening"?
I may be way off here, but I can't understand why the sort of person who frequents an audio-related forums like here, and who more than likely has spent thousands on buying the best hardware and software to allow them to create high quality music, would then settle for poor quality compressed audio when CD (and CD quality or better) alternatives are easily available.
a lot of the bands I like only release 100 CDs in a run, but they mostly have bandcamp pages. I only really listen tio music in the car (via CD or Ipod) or when out for a walk (via iPod) so it's not an audiophile listening environment, and mp3 at 256 or above is fine. and the sound quality from my ipod with a cheapish (£30) pair of Sennheisers is far beyond what I got from a Walkman back in the day, or the radio or on YouTube now. This works formetal. However I never convert my classical CDs to mp3 because the dynamics are lost and there's such a difference in volume levels it doesn't work in the car. so I will listen on my DAW on my mastering headphones to that most of the time, or even on the hi-fi in the lounge when the wife is away/in bed/out!!
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/20 13:46:43
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☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2015/08/20 14:16:05
SteveStrummerUK
To those who can't tell the difference between CD and mp3, I have to say I agree to a point - that is I find it very difficult to tell when listening to music that has a lot of 'space' in it. The stuff I mostly listen to - rock, punk and metal - typically contains distorted guitars in the mix, and it is in this kind of track that I find the difference most noticeable, and where mp3s seem to lose the most quality.
Of course it goes without saying that you ABXed this using an MP3 you generated yourself* using a relatively modern encoder at a reasonable rate, right? If not, I strongly suggest you try comparing it that way, as once learned it's easy to do and often enlightening. *People often make the mistake of comparing an MP3 they got from wherever with a CD that might be a different mastering.
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/20 14:08:47
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SteveStrummerUK
To those who can't tell the difference between CD and mp3, I have to say I agree to a point - that is I find it very difficult to tell when listening to music that has a lot of 'space' in it. The stuff I mostly listen to - rock, punk and metal - typically contains distorted guitars in the mix, and it is in this kind of track that I find the difference most noticeable, and where mp3s seem to lose the most quality.
Of course it goes without saying that you ABXed this using an MP3 you generated yourself* using a relatively modern encoder at a reasonable rate, right?
If not, I strongly suggest you try comparing it that way, as once learned it's easy to do and often enlightening.
*People often make the mistake of comparing an MP3 they got from wherever with a CD that might be a different mastering.
Absolutely. Dan
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/20 18:47:01
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"However I never convert my classical CDs to mp3 because the dynamics are lost and there's such a difference in volume levels it doesn't work in the car."
one plus with itunes is volume levelling between tracks,especially when mixing new and old,especially considering the loudness wars.....
cheers
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Re: I hate iTunes
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"However I never convert my classical CDs to mp3 because the dynamics are lost and there's such a difference in volume levels it doesn't work in the car."
one plus with itunes is volume levelling between tracks,especially when mixing new and old,especially considering the loudness wars.....
cheers
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/20 19:23:48
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I still have about 100 DDD Classical CD's sitting in a box waiting for me to someday get another "real" stereo and another jukebox...
@Dan - MediaMonkey can now do advanced criteria including using another playlist (smart or not) as its input, however, I just remembered that smart playlists are not available with their free product - they're only available to Gold members.
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/20 22:05:19
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Generally speaking, classical music compresses better than some other things(for classical ensembles at least). There is no correlation between the "seriousness" of music - or the pretentiousness of it's listeners - and how well it compresses. What matters is how effective what's there is at masking other stuff. Also, mp3 doesn't really do dynamic compression, at least not on a macro scale. I think there's a lot of confusion regarding this because your average "civilian" off the street doesn't really quite understand what dynamic compression is, and thus easily confuses it with data compression when "overcompressed music" is being discussed. And it doesn't help that some audio marketing folks perpetuate this by always bringing up dynamic compression and loudness wars whenever talking about mp3's vs. CD vs. higher res (or whatever they're selling). This is helpful to them because though we might understand that you can't fix an overcompressed recording once the damage is done, the general public might believe they can buy some doohickey to fix it, or that the problem is with the file format rather than the engineering and buying a more expensive "higher res" format is the only way to fix it even though it has absolutely nothing to do with the problem.
post edited by drewfx1 - 2015/08/20 22:14:01
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Re: I hate iTunes
2015/08/21 14:02:01
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SteveStrummerUK
Does anyone else still sit and actually listen to an album anymore?
And if so, why would you then want to listen to an mp3?
I've only ever bought a handful of tracks in mp3 form, and that's only because there was no physical CD available. And I still like to set aside time to make listening to an album an 'event' - a bit like it used to be when going through the ritual of listening to an LP.
Don't get wrong, I'm not an audiophile snob by any stretch of the imagination, but playing a CD through my old Pioneer amplifier and TDK speakers seems eminently more rewarding and worthwhile than listening to lossy, compressed alternatives.
Surely it can't just be down to convenience, or to available 'space'. I'm guessing most of those here who are old enough had (or still have) large record collections? Agreed, a large 'physical' record collection isn't as portable or practical as an iPod stocked up with thousands of tracks, but that's sort of my point - if you listen to music on the go, then surely you're not really "listening"?
I may be way off here, but I can't understand why the sort of person who frequents an audio-related forums like here, and who more than likely has spent thousands on buying the best hardware and software to allow them to create high quality music, would then settle for poor quality compressed audio when CD (and CD quality or better) alternatives are easily available.
Yes, absolutely! Everything I am trying to do is related to Albums. When I use Spotify, mostly I listen to entire albums. All the music I put on my computer to play on my phone by Bluetooth is album format. Sometimes I will listen to a playlist or radio based on a song or artist on Spotify to maybe discover new stuff but it is appalling what they think is related to a song I choose. What first and mostly got me started on this was that I could not get the Salisbury album on Spotify (or Beatle albums) but mostly Salisbury. They have some "radio edit" version but that would be like listening to the radio edit version of Innagaddadavida. Not happening. The title track of Salisbury was cut with the London Symphony Orchestra and is, IMHO, outstanding... so here we are. As of now. The free 15GB OneDrive included in Windows 10 along with the PRO version of EDDY player for my iPhone is working nicely. Time will tell I guess but as for me, I almost always listen to albums. J
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