SteveStrummerUK
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I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
Agreed, it's not quite "Annoyed from Tunbridge Wells" territory, but tonight I complained officially to the BBC. I fully expect immediate action, heads to roll, and for Barry Took to devote a whole episode of Points Of View to my grievance. No doubt the Director General himself will be on the blower before sun-up to offer his apologies. Anyway, here's the message I sent, just to show you what a sad, miserable old curmudgeon I've become  ============================================= Hello there My gripe is nothing really serious, but it seems to be occurring more and more of late, and is becoming quite a nuisance. Essentially, my complaint concerns why so many of your programmes fail to run to the times advertised. Not only does this mean that some programmes that shouldn't overlap actually end up doing so, but it also means there are occasions when shows I've recorded using the Electronic Programme Guide on my receiver are often missing either the start, or more often, and probably worse, the end. My viewing habits only really revolve about BBC programming, so I can't say if this problem is prevalent among other networks. What prompted me to complain this evening is because of a typical situation that occurred within the last half hour. I was watching the excellent documentary about Crash Test Dummies on BBC4 and had planned to switch over when it finished to BBC1 (as usual) to watch the 10 o'clock news. As always, the news started exactly at 10pm, but the documentary I was watching didn't actually finish until around a minute past ten. As I said, this is a minor annoyance, but I fail to understand why, in this day and age, programmes cannot be broadcast so they start and finish at the times advertised in the schedules. It happens so often, that I can only assume it's deliberate, and not the result of simple laziness or mismanagement. Please be good enough to enlighten me on the reasons for these ever-increasing timing errors. =============================================
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/28 18:11:16
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Are you using Greenwich or USNO Master Clock for your reference?
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/28 18:24:38
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I agree Steve and it is also bad here in Australia but only on certain channels. When I used to work in TV stations many many years ago running programs on time was a MAJOR priority and heads would roll even of things were 1 minute late.
Channel Seven here can be anything upwards of 15/20 minutes behind and it is a pain. Channel 9 can be bad too but others are much more on top of this for some reason. It may mean they are trying to fit as much advertising as they can in and they keep on taking on more and more when they really should say bugger off once the limit is reached but when money is involved anything goes.
I have got a whiz bang recorder thingy too and after doing some research I found out on mine anyway you can extend the shut off times by editing. Use the guide to make the selection but then go in and edit end times. You will find you can in most cases, it is just not obvious that is all. The only issue with mine is that if I do edit the end time the program ends up with no name instead of its correct name. No biggie as you can edit that after the event too.
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/28 18:35:41
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What's a "programme" anyway? Is it like a narcissistic program?
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/28 19:20:51
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Yup, that's definitely crotchety old fart with little else to do territory that you've gone into there mate. ;)
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/28 20:16:21
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Think he's too old now to down a couple jars and chat up a few birds too?
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/28 21:13:17
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Over here they usually only do that sort of thing to manipulate you to not change channels. Or on HBO, where programs end when the creators decide they should be over, which is in fact a good thing. But I would say your real problem is that your "Electronic Programme Guide" doesn't know when the programs start/end. Oh, and this thread started too early so I missed the beginning. 
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/28 22:49:30
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Crash Test Dummies were once my fav group. I loved the first two albums. Especially the first.
My (then, now ex-)wife and I ran into them in the Chicago airport a few months after the 2nd CD came out. I did not want to bother them but she took their 2nd CD and had them sign it for me. I still have it. IIRC one of the members was not there (in the loo?) so it's not a complete autographed copy.
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/28 22:51:00
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Are you using Greenwich or USNO Master Clock for your reference?
Quartz Crystal Spring Reverb mechanism I'd assume.
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/28 22:52:34
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craigb
What's a "programme" anyway? Is it like a narcissistuic prougraum?
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/28 22:56:46
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Well done, Steve. Thanks for standing up for us. Have you joined the Curmudgeon Guild?
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/29 09:06:45
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Jeff Evans
I have got a whiz bang recorder thingy too and after doing some research I found out on mine anyway you can extend the shut off times by editing. Use the guide to make the selection but then go in and edit end times. You will find you can in most cases, it is just not obvious that is all. The only issue with mine is that if I do edit the end time the program ends up with no name instead of its correct name. No biggie as you can edit that after the event too.
Hi Jeff My digital recorder has a similar (and extremely useful) feature built in. It can be set up to automatically start recording either 1, 2, 5, 10 or 15 minutes before a scheduled recording is meant to start. The same time options are also available to continue the recording after the programme is scheduled to finish. I have mine set up permanently to start 5 minutes before the start and finish 10 minutes after the end, so I usually don't miss anything unless they reschedule anything or transmit it later because a sporting event over-runs. This works particularly well if a programme does actually start on time as I have the skip forward feature set to 5 minutes intervals. I deliberately didn't mention this to the BBC because it might have made it look like I was just moaning for the sake of it  Mind you, I'm pretty sure that a few years ago, the broadcasters used to transmit a code at the instant a programme started to ensure any video recorders would start recording at the correct time, should a transmission start before or after the programmed time. It would also ensure a recording would continue until the programme actually ended if it over-ran for some reason. I've got a sneaking susp 1cion that the same technology enabled a recording to be automatically paused during ad breaks, but the TV companies, under pressure from advertisers fearing their money would be wasted, decided not to implement the feature. At least we don't have the problem with 'paid-for' ads with the BBC, although they do seem to be able to cram endless trailers and other guff into the ever-widening gaps between programmes.
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/29 09:15:41
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mike_mccue
Are you using Greenwich or USNO Master Clock for your reference?
I use SONAR as the master... And we are all its slaves. Profound stuff there from Straumfucius.
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/29 09:16:04
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bapu
Crash Test Dummies were once my fav group. I loved the first two albums. Especially the first.
My (then, now ex-)wife and I ran into them in the Chicago airport a few months after the 2nd CD came out. I did not want to bother them but she took their 2nd CD and had them sign it for me. I still have it. IIRC one of the members was not there (in the loo?) so it's not a complete autographed copy.
what has this to do with programmes? and time? and British humour?
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/29 09:16:41
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drewfx1
Oh, and this thread started too early so I missed the beginning.
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/29 09:19:15
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wood this solve your problems?? 
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/29 09:29:40
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wood this solve your problems??
If it ain't edible, it solves NOTHING!!!!
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/29 09:36:02
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musicman100
wood this solve your problems??
If it ain't edible, it solves NOTHING!!!!
JUST FOR EWE
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/29 09:44:30
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It's a good thing those two prougrammmes weren't reversed. If you miss the first minute of the Crash Test Dummies documentary, you're lost. You're doomed to spend the rest of the episode in complete and total confusion. In addition, you keep asking if they've shown the bit with Bapu.
Fortunately, missing the first minute of the news only means that you missed three murders, and/or a pile up on the M4.
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/29 09:55:22
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I recently had plumbed the depths of...............nevermind, the Royal Flush was on Pay-per-View and not on the BBC. 
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/29 11:00:54
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My DVR has a similar feature(adjusting start/end times). I don't use it very often because it can interfere with another recorded program if twp recordings overlap. That's why I applaud your message to the Beeb.
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/29 11:23:20
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I gave this thread a quick glance and noticed the words "becan" and "ewe" and, naturally, I then thought... Hmm... Nevermind.
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/29 18:08:55
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Dear Barry. Why oh why oh why oh why oh why....
Coming up next, That's Life.
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/29 18:29:44
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sharke
Dear Barry. Why oh why oh why oh why oh why....
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/30 00:54:43
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Dear Barry. Why oh why oh why oh why oh why....
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/30 01:45:03
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There is a technology here called Freeview EPG. Have a look here: http://www.freeview.com.au/epg/ This system does transmit information right at the start and end of a program no matter what time it airs but the situation is that there are only a handful of manufacturers that provide the gear to do it: http://www.freeview.com.a...aspx?manufacturerId=30 Grundig make a set top box that responds to it and Samsung make TV's (with built in recorders) that work with it too. But it is not a common or standard technology.
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/31 13:08:22
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musicman100
bapu
musicman100
wood this solve your problems??
If it ain't edible, it solves NOTHING!!!!
JUST FOR EWE
WHAT? NO BECAN?
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2013/08/31 13:11:35
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Hi, Timing on radio or television ... can be a bummer. America has a famous football game with the Raiders that got cut off to go see some milksop crap instead ... and if that happened today, that story, tv show and folks would be branded forever out of television, since the NFL these days, is the number one financial commodity for any of the networks! The BBC, is too old these days, and the folks working there need a Strummy and a Bapu to help set things straight, but you gotta given them some credit ... I'm only missing The Goon Show #30 now ... and a couple of others since I still have about 4 or 5 shows that they have not released! There is, however, a lot that is STILL not released ... things like The Beatles Christmas Shows, is a good example, which was excellent and shows us a history that is massive and incredible, in how they got along and worked together, and when somethings came up ... for example ... there is a wonderful moment where Paul goes ... "copyright copyright ... " and they stopped fooling around on that song! Kinda suggests that by that time, they had already been told ... enough of anyone else's anything! It's a new story all around ... about the Beatles as people. And when you see "Let It Be" that is owned by that jerk that is waiting for more Beatles to die before releasing the film again, so he doesn't have to pay them a nickel ever again, you would find out ... a lot about these people, not stars ... and that was the great thing about what was one of the greatest documentaries ever done ... EVER. Not the BBC's issue, however.
post edited by Moshkiae - 2013/08/31 13:20:51
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Re: I have plumbed the depths of pedantry and complained to the BBC...
2013/08/31 15:27:31
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Moshkiae
musicman100
bapu
musicman100
wood this solve your problems??
If it ain't edible, it solves NOTHING!!!!
JUST FOR EWE
WHAT?
NO BECAN?
Look towards the bottom left.
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