I haven't been here for a long time

artsoul


Hi to Folks that have helped me and over the years,

I used to use Sonar ( I still sometimes do for archived projects ), I decided after buying X1 that it was never going to be stable ( I feel the same about lots of Roland stuff). To be honest I wanted to like it ( lots of brilliant ideas in there but all that I use daily poorly executed ). To cut a long story short it was easier for me to shift to S1 rather than waste any more time with Sonar ( I know that a lot of folks here have had no problems with Sonar at all, I wish that was the case ).
Anyways to my point......
This is the first time I have visited here for a long time ( I used to be a daily visitor ).......how things have changed......
In my past experience this forum was one of the most helpful and friendly places online. Today ever post I have read has been argumentative, agggressive, Cliquey, and in some cases just plain nasty ( there was one post where everyone was attacking someone ( agreed they might have been a troll ) on their nationality.
I'm sorry to say that the tone has changed round here for the worst, I never went on gearsluts etc. because of the attitude, now apparently the Sonar forum has went the same way.

Its been a sad day seeing what this place has become.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of folks will jump on this and start picking fights, to be honest I don't care, hopefully some of you will hold a mirror to yourselves.

Andy

MAN ! SONAR goes deeeeep into a PC system ,,,,,its comparable to a Elite excuisite suit ! You must fine tune your settings in Order to let SONAR perform best ; and I mean BEST !

Heroics.....every DAW does, for me ( and I repeat for ME ), Sonar required more babying than anything else I have ever used........a lot of the issue was ( to me ) Its completely non user friendly ......Audiosnap?    I once got that to do what it said it would do.

artsoul


My point wasn't operational issues with Sonar ( thats just why I stopped using it ), my point is the TONE of this forum is way nastier than it ever was 

haha I understand ...some "musicians" I belive they are banjo players (lol)
Kinda look out for people who realy feel desperate , and ARE not ashamed 2 show it .....
HoouUuu sometimes we are angry ,sometimes we laugh --------- it seems they dont get that ...BUT so many cool people here !
OMG If we would know who writes stuff here ; P
some true Kings you know ?
 
 
SO ..Give them a chance !
 
the good ones just help you realy ....I experienced it ! They help you if you have a Problem .....few
 
 
 
 
AND friend !!! theres the console emulators ----this is to good to miss ...
get a good audio PC -----fine tuend ..like ADK or rain pc ......I belive also new HP laptops are very fine .
 
 

When I read posts about this forum not being as good as it was before I often think its due to selective memory. What I find disagreeable about it is if it is so awful do something about it and post good solid thoughts, answer questions and help those that need it. Or is it easier to find fault rather than being involved and doing what you can to make it a better place. 

If you see a post that is attacking someone say something, report it or do as you have done and leave. Those that are not engaged should not find fault with those that are.

This may seem a harsh and intemperate post but its sort of galling to have someone feel so good about themselves for not participating and contributing. We may not always post at our best we may make mistakes but at least we try.  I would very much like to have you here and have the opportunity to read what you think. Lets hope you can be here more often.    

Actually aside from one or two people who shall remain nameless, I have found this forum to be super friendly and helpful. I think it's off-the-charts friendly compared to somewhere like Gearslutz. That may in part be to do with the average age of members here - judging by the tone of a lot of the threads on Gearslutz I would guess that there are way more 20-somethings-with-attitude than there are here. That's not to say that all 20-somethings are full of themselves, but you do tend to get more of that "if you don't know what I'm talking about then you're obviously too stupid to be here" attitude the lower the average age range of a forum is. I used to find exactly the same on coding forums back when I was learning to program. I'd have the younger crowd trying to dazzle me with their Mad Coding Skillz and patronizing me if I didn't understand, while the older crowd would be like "don't listen to them, here's how you do it." 


Let's face it, the anonymous nature of internet forums brings out the worst in people. They say things online that they would never dare say in a million years face to face. I've been active on forums for years and have to say the tone on this one is way more positive and friendly than 95% of forums out there. No forum is immune from snippy attitudes however. I've been on new-age-herbal-remedies-and-knit-your-own-yogurt forums where a simple question about St John's Wort has turned into all out thermonuclear war. So I'm grateful for the Cakewalk forums. Look at the outpouring of grief and respect after B.A. Midi died. I haven't seen anything like that online before (although I'm sure some of you have). 

Hi Andy,
Nice to see you again even if it's just to pop in an look around.
People come and go here and I have wondered on occasion what could be the cause. Like Pop and Jinga to name a few. Hopefully they are well and just chose to move to a different platform such as yourself.
I'm glad to see you're well. Unfortunately we were informed that the last member we hadn't heard from in quite some time (ba_midi - Billy Arnell) sadly passed away.
And yeah the dynamic does swing on these forums now and again but as StepD mentioned it pretty much always has. 
Maybe I'm a little close to the forest so to speak. I wonder that if maybe I did't stop in here daily then came back in say a year if I would think the same? 

" Audiosnap?    I once got that to do what it said it would do."  
Holy crap, really?
I never even came close to it doing anything except opening the AS pallet.
I totally gave up on it to the point that I even forgot about it as a feature until you just mentioned it.
I wonder if it's still an option in X2 or did Cakewalk even give up on it?


Well good to hear from you even if only for a brief passing.
Take care.


Mike   

https://soundcloud.com/cryptexmarble


Have a Pepper Frog !  Also if you drink one Dr Pepper now , you feel happy ........I promis ...but turn that music UP !!!! BASS your subwoofers ...and FEEL SONAR X2



Its such a "tool " ; p

artsoul

Its been a sad day seeing what this place has become.

I get the feeling your melancholy is about something much deeper that this Sonar forum...
 
I'm new here and I'll say that coming here was a breath of fresh air compared to a lot of other places I've hung out at on the net.  You may have stumbled upon one of the very few threads I've seen here where there's been any pokes to the ribs, but then you couldn't have read many other threads to form the opinion you're sharing with us.
 
I'm not the most patient of people so I'm continually in awe of those who can be calm, collected and helpful to someone who is trying to pick a fight.  I've learned a lot from them.
 
All this to say that I beg to differ with your assessment of the tone around here
Hope you'll stick around a bit.
 

Granted I was having a skim through threads and I'm not denying that there are still helpful people here. My point was that since I was a regular visitor there is much more nastiness here. Maybe the posts I read aren't a true cross section I will admit.
Regarding not using Sonar I didn't come here to do some kind of " Sonar is #### " kind of post. It didn't do what I wanted it do do effectively so I moved to something that did.
I'm sorry to hear about BA midi......that's sad news :(

Andy,

Sorry Sonar didn't work out for you. 

I've been here a long time, though, as you can see from my post count I haven't contributed very often. However, I do read through posts daily. I can't agree that the forum has degraded over the years. There have always been very helpful people, as there still are today. And the trouble makers have come and gone over the years as well. Just like in any area of our lives! Some we read very intently. Others we ignore.

Best of luck with your new DAW!
 

I find this place to be a fine and helpful forum, regardless of the some of the negative banter here, and most of that is "downstairs."

as the user base has grown, more types of personalities have entered the forum.  free speech.  troll frustration.  s1 defectors.  there are still just as many awesome helpful people, no more actually.  but we will never be perfect like the s1 forum.

synkrotron


I find this place to be a fine and helpful forum, regardless of the some of the negative banter here, and most of that is "downstairs."

so who is upstairs beside the bakers