I keep recording the metronome .. duh

when recording audio, I keep recording the metronome too.

help

I'm pretty sure Kevvvv isn't using a SoundBlaster...............

Kind of an insult moving this to "Get Started".............................. he's hardly a newbie................

I don't mind being called a noob.

I've not used Sonar for audio recording before - strictly midi or loop work.

I've checked my Audiophile 2496 in case "something happened to it".

But it looks good.

I'm obviously missing some Sonar routing know-how.

My audio metronome feeds the master bus is what I can see.

Any ideas for this noob?

Just to clarify: you're using audio metronome, not MIDI metronome?

Should be fine to route audio metronome to master, if that's what you want to do. It sounds to me like you're recording from the wrong Audiophile driver input. I know when I used to use delta cards the m-audio driver provided a "mixdown" L/R pair, which you could effectively use to record all inputs and outputs being mixed in the delta mixer. So let's say you have metronome => master => output 1/2... then if you happen to be recording from the mixdown L and/or right, then you'll get what's coming into your mics/lines as well as what's being sent to outputs 1/2. Instead, you want to record from input 1/2, or input 3/4, etc. That's the only thing I can think of (aside from some internal feedback routing that I'm not even sure you can do with the Audiophile)...

If you're recording from audiophile inputs into a track, the master bus will not affect what gets recorded. If you're bouncing/exporting, then you'd need to worry about what you're bouncing/exporting and what's routed where. Assuming you have the correct input devices selected for record, what ends up in the recorded track is coming directly from the hardware inputs. I think the only way to record what's coming through mix engine is to do the "Live Bounce" thing.

--Oh man, now I'm confused.  I don't understand these last two posts, RobertB and Keith - My Master is what determines what gets recorded in the 2-track master.--That's why when there's the metronome bus in the default Normal template, it's directed to the audio card, not the Master.  Otherwise it would be recorded--as anything is directed to my Master.  But deleting the metronome bus doesn't change anything because the metronome is still going just to the card for recording, or playback if you want to hear it while playing tracks prior to mix-down.

I don't get why you're saying that "sending it to the master bus should not have any effect, as that should be after the fact"--After what fact--?--And Keith said "...the master bus will not affect what gets recorded..." The Master is what's in your mix, hence the name Master--. 

How are you guys working--?  I'm like--all corn fused!

Randy B.

rbowser


--Oh man, now I'm confused.  I don't understand these last two posts, RobertB and Keith - My Master is what determines what gets recorded in the 2-track master.--That's why when there's the metronome bus in the default Normal template, it's directed to the audio card, not the Master.  Otherwise it would be recorded--as anything is directed to my Master.  But deleting the metronome bus doesn't change anything because the metronome is still going just to the card for recording, or playback if you want to hear it while playing tracks prior to mix-down.

I don't get why you're saying that "sending it to the master bus should not have any effect, as that should be after the fact"--After what fact--?--And Keith said "...the master bus will not affect what gets recorded..." The Master is what's in your mix, hence the name Master--. 

How are you guys working--?  I'm like--all corn fused!

Randy B.

 
The Master bus (as in the bus labeled "Master" in the normal template or whatever), is just a stereo bus. Busses make it convenient to collect a bunch of output from tracks and do stuff with them as a whole... e.g., 12 tracks of drums can be routed to a bus where maybe you want to apply an FX to the whole drum submix, control the volume of the drum submix, etc. Same principle applies to the Master bus. As a matter of standard procedure, routing all tracks and busses down to a single master bus makes it easier to manage the whole mix. You could certainly mix your stuff by sending track outputs directly to a single hardware output pair (i.e., all tracks sent to the same pair), but you'd be seriously limiting yourself and making things very difficult at the same time.
 
What Robert and I mean is that the Master bus is "downstream" from the individual tracks and busses feeding it... so there's no way (currently ) to record from the Master bus into a track. Actually, there are ways to do it, but you really need to try to set things up to do that via external hardware routing (patch cords), internal hardware routing (DSP mixer), software loopback routing (special I/O drivers), etc.  
 
A simple view of routing in a project during recording would be something like this: 
 
[hardware input] ==> track 1 -------------
                                          |
                     track 2 --           |
                               |-- bus 1--|   
                     track 3 --           |-- Master ==> [hardware output]                                            
                                          |
                     metronome -----------
 
So it looks kinda like a tree, sideways... audio is flowing left to right, including audio coming from hardware inputs into tracks. If you have the metronome simply routed to the Master bus, and you're recording onto track 1 via some hardware input, the sound of the metronome should not have any way to get into track 1. Now... if somehow [hardware output] and [hardware input] are connected, then you'll get metronome (and also tracks 2 and 3) recorded into track 1.

 

Randy, I see what you're saying... you're referring more to bouncing or recording a mixdown to stereo (exporting and bouncing in SONAR terms). If kevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv  were to File => Export and select Master as the source of the export and the metronome was enabled for playback, then he'd get the metronome in the export. Just like in the hardware world.... if you don't mute the click track it'll show up in a mixdown/bounce/whatever.

But I believe he's talking about recording to a track, not exporting/bouncing. In my diagram above, if you select the appropriate hardware input for track 1 and arm track 1 for record, you'll record into track 1 only what's coming from the hardware input. Whatever else is routed through the Master bus (presumably, including track 1 live input being routed to Master, but only if you've enabled input monitoring) will be coming out of your speakers or headphones (disregarding headphone submixes, etc.), but none of that should end up on track 1.
 
BTW... speaking of input monitoring during record... if kevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv does have some sort of hardware loopback or "stereo mixdown" setup while recording, enabling input monitoring will produce a nasty ear splitting feedback. So don't do that.

rbowser

kevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv---how many "V's"--?

Not as many as on KVR. :-} He gets bonus "v"s there.

Hi Kev,
I was wondering if you could tell me how you managed to record the audio metronome?  I realize this was an unintended result for you, however I'm actually trying to record the audio metronome and unable to.  I've played around with having the audio metronome output routed to a metronome bus (and the metronome bus output sent to master) as well as the audio metronome output routed to the master bus and also to the audio outputs directly - all to no avail. 
 
I'm about to give up and start trying to use the midi metronome and record that from a soft synth if I can't figure this out.
 
Any advice?
 
Thanks
Russ