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I landed some film and TV placements.
I opened my mail to find a BMI royalty statement with a check from airplay of one of my songs in a number of TV shows and films. At first I thought several songs were involved but it does appear that all this was from one song in particular. I remember writing this in a group of several other similar styled songs. It was not, and still isn't one of my favorites in that group, however, apparently, what do I know? This is the song that was used by film & TV While the sun shines Here's the details as I can best determine them. There was one song that was used. It was used, however, in at least 4 different places. 2 Canadian documentary style shows that aired on the HISTORY CHANNEL and also on the H2 channel. The shows are: 10 things you didn't know about civil rights .....and 10 things you didn't know about Texas. These 2 shows placed over 30 cues between them. The other shows were on the REELZCHANNEL in the following shows: Beverly Hills Pawn and Hollywood Hillbillies with 30+ cues between them and in 3 episodes of Hillbillies. Close to 70 total cues placed in these shows. The cues generated anywhere from 4 cents per play up to $7.63 per cue depending on the length of time the song was played in the show. 60 cents came from Canada and 6 cents from the UK.... go figure.... Thought you might like to know what I've been up to recently.
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/22 13:28:33
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Very cool Herb. Is this the first you have had picked up? Long may it continue.
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/22 13:44:16
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daryl1968 Very cool Herb. Is this the first you have had picked up? Long may it continue.
It is, in fact, the first "official" use of my music by the powers that be. There were a few 'holds" here and there along the way, but they all fell through for one reason or another.
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/22 13:54:20
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daryl1968 Very cool Herb. Is this the first you have had picked up? Long may it continue.
It is, in fact, the first "official" use of my music by the powers that be. There were a few 'holds" here and there along the way, but they all fell through for one reason or another.
I'm really pleased for you. Well deserved in my opinion.
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/22 16:18:51
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Nice one Herb. You've worked hard on your songwriting craft and it's starting to pay off.
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/22 17:38:10
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Herb, The piece of music is great and I can see why they would use pieces from it in this genre. You are a very talented musician an I wish you good luck with your endeavors. Lots of great finger picking and I enjoyed this piece a lot. Peace and Blessings, John
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/22 17:44:20
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Herb did this happen through TAXI? I would be interested to know. I have had many music placements over the years (not through TAXI) and it is always the way. The pieces that have earned me the most money are often the ones I liked the least and did in the shortest time with almost the least effort put in. Nice tune too. I can see why it would be used. It would work in many situations.
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/22 18:23:01
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Awesome Herb, well deserved. A great piece, wonderfully performed and produced.
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/22 18:52:15
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Jeff Evans Herb did this happen through TAXI? I would be interested to know. I have had many music placements over the years (not through TAXI) and it is always the way. The pieces that have earned me the most money are often the ones I liked the least and did in the shortest time with almost the least effort put in. Nice tune too. I can see why it would be used. It would work in many situations.
No it did not happen through TAXI. I stopped being a member several years back. They were turning down every single song I submitted to them. With a few exceptions.... I did get a 5 for 5 forward on a bluegrass listing.Nothing ever came from that 5/5 listing. But no, this was the result of me looking for and finding a few good libraries on my own and working through some other listing services that do not charge several hundred dollars a year to be a member. Another listing through a $6 song submission landed me the chance to submit cues to the Duck Dynasty show. I didn't get the placements but I did get the open door to another very well connected library. I sent 41 cues to him and he sent them all the the DD producers. I've since sent in a bunch of tunes. I also landed a library in Europe that appears to be well connected with film & TV as well as artists over there. They have several of my tunes as well. The ones I like are the guys who send me the lists now of what they specifically are looking for with regard to the shows they are aware of. Hope that answers it for you Jeff.
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/22 18:53:19
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James, John & Grant.... thanks. I appreciate your kind words. The funny thing was, I was never informed when it happened. A check and statement shows up in the mail and that's how I found out. I'm not complaining, mind you.... it was a great way to start the week.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2015/09/22 19:03:48
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/22 20:35:35
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Nice work Herb, I can see why this was a winner.
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/22 20:47:52
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Congrats Herb. So you maxed out somewhere between $0.66 and $230 for this run?
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/23 00:57:30
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Nice! Your song certainly fits a Duck Dynasty episode, and many other shows I would think. If you feel like offering up a little primer about the steps you took to crack into this business, I bet a lot of folks here would love to read it! me, too! Good job on the paycheck, doesn't matter how fat it was or wasn't. cheers, -Tom
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/23 06:28:05
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Congrats Herb, nice tune to boot.
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/23 07:21:11
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Rebel Thank you for listening. Bapu: Yep... closer to the 66 cents ... but enough to take my wife out to a nice steak dinner as long as we don't order wine or dessert. I'm certainly going to cash it. Oh yeah...and it's taxable income so, maybe the steak dinner was over stating it.... McDonalds burger with a drink and some fries, and we could spring for an apple turnover for dessert. Biodiode: Thank you as well
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/23 07:34:58
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That's terrific, Herb. Congratulations!
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
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☄ Helpfulby ohgrant 2015/09/23 16:06:00
emeraldsoul Nice! Your song certainly fits a Duck Dynasty episode, and many other shows I would think. If you feel like offering up a little primer about the steps you took to crack into this business, I bet a lot of folks here would love to read it! me, too! Good job on the paycheck, doesn't matter how fat it was or wasn't. cheers, -Tom
Tom, I'd be glad to do so from my POV, and I'm certainly no expert on this topic. . Perseverance and hard work. There's no magic formula and no guarantee that the work you put in will pay off. The only guarantee is that if you don't work hard and stick with the game plan, it will not pay off. First thing is to apply yourself to learning the trade and art of writing songs. For most people, it is a learned skill. Sharpen it up by study, attending events, join songwriting groups, and write every chance you get. Listen to and study the market you are wanting to get in whether it's film & TV, video games, or writing for artists. I was a member of TAXI for a long time. I am currently a member of NSAI ( Nashville songwriters) Both groups emphasize education. Taxi can actually get your music to the producers and artists. They are mostly focused on film & TV and have been. Through them I learned a lot and connected with a few good music libraries but nothing ever happened for me through their contacts. ( at least not yet ) I'm no longer with TAXI. NSAI doesn't offer the listings but they will place your song in front of a publisher's luncheon ...if it's a killer song. only about 12 songs every 3 months get to that meeting. They're more about giving you feed back on the stuff you write. I contacted libraries and publishers on my own mostly. The good ones are hard to tell from the sharks and scams, they all have flashy websites, but you have to learn to weed the ones out that can't help you. The good ones have screeners and will not take un-professional songs. Sharks take everything and tell you it's a hit. Good libraries don't. Your song has to be well written and sound like it was professionally recorded by top musicians. Good libraries don't ask for money. EVER!!!! remember that and if someone asks you for money for ANY reason.... SAY NO and go find a real library. Good libraries will request a sampling of your music for them to review and approve. I've had plenty come back and say I was approved and just as many say I needed to do more work before I was ready to place in their catalog. Pump Audio is a good place to test the waters. IIRC, it took 3 tries to get approval there. And if they reject you, you have to wait 90 days before sending something else. I don't know if they still have that process but if they do, send them some stuff. Pump is huge.... so once you're in, you're a small fish in a big ocean. I like to try to find the smaller libraries where the owner personally screens the songs and once in, you have his direct email and phone number. That is exactly the kind of library that nailed the placements for me. Now, when I send new music, the owner knows me, knows I made him money, and is more likely to get my music out there for the next listing that fits. A listing service that I have used is Film Music Jobwire. They have listings, and you don't have to be a member. Another service just closed down. FMJ has introduced me to several publishers and one really good one. It was through that contact that I was able to write for Duck Dynasty. I wrote and sent 41 cues for that show. Nothing ever came of that. But I learned a lot about writing 41 cues with a deadline requirement. Nothing like trying to be creative with a looming deadline fast approaching. Sometimes you just have to force the creativity out. At a songwriter meeting earlier this year, I ran into another writer who writes for film & TV and in the course of discussion, found out that we were both signed in that same library. He spoke highly of them. I have 2 libraries that are the focus of my writing and submissions now. I have a number of others that are secondary... close to a dozen. I have songs in them that just sit there. It's impossible to write for a dozen libraries as a part time writer. Hard enough to write enough for 2. Exclusive vs non-exclusive. I'm actually signed into both kinds of libraries. Exclusive means they better be on the ball because you can't sign the songs anywhere else. Non-exclusive means you can sign it to as many libraries as you wish. I won't debate the merits of either or the down side to either. Just suffice to say that a non-exclusive library nailed the placements on this song. Musicianship has to be professional. It doesn't need to be the hottest or the best, but at least tune the guitar and overdub bad notes. Sound quality is important too. The end user will be using YOUR recording. They don't have the time or the budget to have anything recorded by professionals. You must deliver a finished, professional sounding, broadcast ready, recording. As a Sonar user and forum member reading this...... you have a valuable asset here in the community of musicians that are in this place. Face it, we have some really talented musicians and we have some recording pro's that can help you along the way. One of the best things here is the Songs Forum. Put your material up for review and discussion. Ask questions and take the advice of the knowledgeable folks here. I learned so much about recording and mixing by doing that very thing. Learn to record and mix so that it sounds like it came from a Nashville or LA studio and not the corner of your bedroom or basement. When you get all those ducks in a row, and you're writing songs and cues, just send them to the library/publisher and let them set. Write, Send, Forget..... repeat.....and so on. They will normally sign something for 2 years, depending on the library agreement..... but don't worry about pulling something back out. Leave it there because there's always the possibility that someone will pick it up at some point if it's in the library. There's no way you can guarantee that you will ever have anything picked up. After all, there are thousands upon thousands of writers turning out hundreds of songs each. It's simply a matter of numbers and time. The longer you have material out there, and the more material you have out there, the more likely you are to have something picked up and signed. Once you get material being used, the library will generally start paying more attention to you and even put you on a list of writers to contact in a pinch. Look for opportunities to get into the best libraries you can. Keep writing and keep sending your stuff. You just have to keep going even when it looks like it's never going to happen. If you quit, you don't ever get to hear your music on the TV or radio. I've been pushing in this direction for years. It didn't happen overnight. So be patient, do the things needed to get the ball rolling and never give up on the dream. For me...what will change? Not much actually. I will keep writing, sending to the libraries, and writing more. I had kind of taken some time off.... lazy, needing to recharge the batteries, whatever the reason..... now, I will be more focused on writing and getting the music to the libraries I am signed with. Edit: To start with, concentrate on the music genre you really like and write well. If you're a country guy, write country, write bluegrass, write some oldies rock..... don't venture into hip hop or EDM just because there's a listing request for it. I respond to maybe 10% of the listings that come in....maybe less. Focus on what you do best. The cool thing is that with film & TV.... you CAN write "dated" sounding music and get away with it. With Nashville and LA, "dated" is DOA. If a TV show has a "flashback" moment.... they need some music that sounds like it's from that era but they don't want to pay for a hit from that time. They will license your cue for a few bucks. money is made by quantity..... the more cues you have working for you, the more you make. A few bucks each doesn't sound like much but get 100 cues a month at $5 ...do the math for your quarterly royalty check. It takes time to build it up. I met a fellow in LA who had 800 working cues. Do the math. I was having fun writing and sending my stuff. Happy just to have libraries that were at top of the game accepting my stuff. Just having a good time writing and enjoying the process...... then, out of nowhere, totally unexpectedly, a royalty statement showed up. Play the game to have fun and enjoy the journey. Let the score take care of itself.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2015/09/23 08:51:12
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/23 09:16:13
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Herb, thanks for laying that road out, and the philosophy behind the game, I think you've nailed it. Sounds a lot like fishing - put a lot of bait into the right pond, and just be happy to fish. Catching anything is gravy. So to speak. A follow-up: Are you a member of ASCAP, BMI, or . . .? thanks again, what you wrote should be put on a plaque and installed somewhere on the Internet. With a nice display light on it. cheers, -Tom
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/23 09:27:19
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That is absolutely awesome! I have a real interest in this and would LOVE to pursue it further. Very motivating. I'm a member of BMI but I'm totally clueless how to start. This is a real help and thanks very much for sharing your experience.
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/23 10:49:16
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Thanks Dan Don, this might help.... get busy. It's not super easy but.... It's easier than placing a cut with an artist. Tom: I am a member of BMI. You can only join one and they are all free to the writers. Publishers have to pay a yearly IIRC.
You need to check with the library but MOST will take care of the PRO (BMI/ASCAP) works registration for you as well as any copyrights. Be sure you know. You don't get paid if it isn't registered. Song registration with your PRO is also free. When you send in songs to the library, simply check your PRO account about 30 days later. If the songs are not in there wait another 30 and check again.... if still not there contact the library and see if you need to register them. Some will tell you that YOU need to register the songs. Most handle all the registrations. the library will register the songs with 100% of the publisher share to the publisher and 100% of the writer share to the writer. Yeah.... it's weird math.... each song represents 200% share. If you are the sole writer, and for film and TV that's really the way to go.... you get 100% of the writer share unless the library has some other agreement. 50/50 is generally the rule. If a library wants more, they better be placing lots of music and into places that make good money. National TV commercials for example are like hitting the lottery. With non-exclusive libraries, there's no way you can register the song ahead of time accurately, because there may be one library that places it, then 6 months later another places it in a different show.... Non-exclusives generally have you name the song something unique. For example, this song is While The Sun Shines... that;s the name I gave it. This publisher had me rename it HARTLEY_While the sun shines_ABCD so that they knew the writer for their record keeping..... name of the song.....followed by the letters of the library name so it was easy to determine which library secured the placement in the event that 2 different libraries submitted the same song to the same exact listing. Since other libraries use their own unique naming patterns, it also helped me to figure out which library nailed this placement for me.
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
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I'll echo the congrats here! Well done Herb Nice playing too
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
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Congrats Herb!! This should go well with your other tune (Write a hit country song)....looks like you've done it!! I'm happy to see you being rewarded for your hard work & passion. When's the US tour begin?
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
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Synk & Mesh: thanks guys,,,,
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Congrats Herb! that's awesome! even if it's only enough for a burger and fries, it's still an important achievement! WTG!
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☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2015/09/26 15:12:35
Beagle..... burger and fries is about it..... but, yeah.... syndication ...where the TV shows play on a continuous loop....forever.
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/26 13:58:00
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How great is this! Very happy for you Herb.
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yorolpal
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/26 15:08:53
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Very tasty Herb, and a perfect fit to go under voiceover or beauty shots. Good on ya!
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shawn@trustmedia.tv
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/27 02:28:13
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Studio SONAR X3. Axiom 25 midi controller, DUNE 2, Producer Content, Good Times, Bandlab Mojo
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Re: I landed some film and TV placements.
2015/09/27 04:42:12
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No surprise Herb, You're a class act. Well done.
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