JazzSinger
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Re:I really don't understand why software companies
2011/09/23 09:14:58
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FastBikerBoy
There is no way of switching off the Pro Channel once you have selected a preset. There is no "reset preset" as there is in the channel strips. I also find it difficult to come back to the original screen when I have selected the ProChannel tab.
Use the individual modules power buttons to turn off modules. In their off state they use zero resources - according to previous CW posts on the subject.
By original screen do you mean the TV? Pressing "I" hides the inspector and thus the PC, If you mean the inspector view prior to clicking the PC tab, just click the PC tab again. Then you are back where you started.
Well, if I activate PC presets it uses increasing CPU until I get into the red. If I turn off the PC sections using the buttons, the CPU bar does not go back. In fact, even freezing all tracks does not help, so it could be X1 has some other problem. I rebuilt the project from scratch and now I use the channel strips only. I find myself going in circles with the inspector in X1. I do eventually find my way back, but each tab has a different behavior. I'll try the "I" hotkey, thanks!
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FastBikerBoy
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Re:I really don't understand why software companies
2011/09/23 09:29:00
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Well, if I activate PC presets it uses increasing CPU until I get into the red. If I turn off the PC sections using the buttons, the CPU bar does not go back. In fact, even freezing all tracks does not help, so it could be X1 has some other problem. I rebuilt the project from scratch and now I use the channel strips only.
That definitely doesn't sound right. It might be worth contacting support. CW, Ryan Munnis, (I think) have posted on here that there are a couple of issues that can occur at the installation stage related to PC issues. He suggested contacting support to work through them. That's assuming you haven't already. I agree that aspects of X1 do take a little learning but for better or worse I stuck at it and now find I work much quicker in X1 than I ever did any version since V2. I appreciate that other opinions and experiences vary though. (<-and that is an understatement). 
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Re:I really don't understand why software companies
2011/09/23 09:32:34
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osd Thanks for the reply. I'm not why I wrote redundant before, as I meant the level of detail and screenshots is high enough in the book that I don't have to do much else other than find the relevant section as reference later. Guess I'm not good with the cover-to-cover approach. If you put dancing Hawaiian girls in the margins every few pages, I'd do better. :)
Okay, I'll look into that for the next edition.  But I'll have to include some dancing Hawaiian guys too for all the women musicians that read my books. Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor * Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq * Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview
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JazzSinger
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Re:I really don't understand why software companies
2011/09/23 09:58:11
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FastBikerBoy
Well, if I activate PC presets it uses increasing CPU until I get into the red. If I turn off the PC sections using the buttons, the CPU bar does not go back. In fact, even freezing all tracks does not help, so it could be X1 has some other problem. That definitely doesn't sound right. It might be worth contacting support. CW, Ryan Munnis, (I think) have posted on here that there are a couple of issues that can occur at the installation stage related to PC issues. He suggested contacting support to work through them. That's assuming you haven't already.
I agree that aspects of X1 do take a little learning but for better or worse I stuck at it and now find I work much quicker in X1 than I ever did any version since V2. I appreciate that other opinions and experiences vary though. (<-and that is an understatement).
Well, it only is an issue on older single-core machines. On my new i7 64bit laptop, I barely see the CPU bar poke it's head up on exactly the same project. Experiences do indeed vary greatly. Sonar is used in many ways. I barely ever use MIDI right now, and have no use for the Matrix view. Should I end up with a project where these are the appropriate tools, my view may change completely. Sonar is a mature product with a long history and many experienced users. Trying to support every way of working every time one risks a feature change is very difficult. And never daring to change ANYTHING significant is also no good, obviously.
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Jonbouy
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Re:I really don't understand why software companies
2011/09/23 10:34:27
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aleef
I have even purchased the upgrade, but I will not install it until I feel it's worth my time and effort. Nothing I have read yells out "the product is way better than it used to be". Nothing.
thats dumb!
what principal of yours is in violation, of you installing and checking out software you have purchased. are you waiting for MikeMcure and his band trolls in shining armour to give you the ok. the upgrade may turn out to be great for you. Un-effin believable!! why? wont you think and see for yourself. maybe you should have purchased a pair before the upgrade..
The sound of the shreik of a harpy disciple of the 'Johns' if I'm not mistaken. How is a post like this still tolerated here it contains nothing but insult? I can understand somebody supporting his favourite DAW supplier by purchasing a paid upgrade and also a reluctance to use it because migration may be a difficult undertaking that at least requires careful consideration. Why should that in itself attract a mass insult of forum users that do actually have the ability to think for themselves and actually use their brains for thinking rather than their 'pair' or lack thereof? I attempted to report this post but noticed it already has been. So please mods could you deal with this stuff? It's a drag to have to keep negotiating it.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/09/23 10:42:22
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Poco
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Re:I really don't understand why software companies
2011/09/26 11:55:29
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I guess what concerns me about installing it to give it the ol' college try is that I worry about it messing with my previous version. I had read a few instances where 8.5.3 was interefered with by X1. I image my machine on a regular basis, but even restoring an image gives me the creeps. I stay quite busy on my system, and would not like it much if I had to spend significant time restoring an image just because an install goofs up a previous version.
I suppose I will eventually get curious enough to give it a try, but I sure was hoping for a larger chorus of "man you have to see this thing to believe it!!!", and so far, it seems to be about %50-%50.
I also work in a software shop. We write Business Intelligence solutions for our company. We have ~24,000 employees, so it's kind of a big deal when we make a major release. Implementation plans can number 50+ pages with a team devoted to one imp plan. Our customers are Directors and VP's. Here's the kicker: I once said "this may cause a production issue if we implement it (a planned enhancement)". Our VP said rather flatly, "We don't have production issues..." Anyone in software development knows that once confidence is lost in a business solution, you might just be on the lookout for other employment opportunities. There is conmpetition in our own company that would love to eat our group's lunch. I wish more consumer companies would take the same approach. Even taking into consideration the varied hardware platforms, etc. I don't quite get that feeling from the current release.
Oh, well. Had a few spare cycles and thought I would blab. It is a discussion forum, after all.
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noonie
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Re:I really don't understand why software companies
2011/09/27 11:48:56
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Wow, the food-software analogy is even further from reality than the popular car-software one.
Would anyone keep giving money to the "bad" resturaunt on a regular basis, tossing untouched or barely-touched entrees right into the garbage, all while thinking that one is helping them stay in business till they can cook it right?
"he knows the restaurant will never be able to repair a reputation for sending out bad food"
That's the problem, it seems with software that reputations are often very short-lived (good or bad), and they also often seem to be not-so-important when buyers are making purchasing decisions.Reputaions often change/disappear quickly these days. That coupled with the fact that are very few "5-star resturaunts" in the software world. If all the other resturaunts in the area were also known for occasionally delivering bad food, well........
We keep buying software....in spite of these reputaions and known issues. We ****, complain, whine, shake our fists and threaten, but in the end, we keep buying it. We, as a whole, have accepted the current state as the norm.
I don't like it, but that's the way it currently is. I don't know of any other way to fix it, other than to just stop buying it. Hehehehe, chyaaa, like that'll happen. The majority of us need want the latest cool new toys, regardless of bugs and broken functionality.
Maybe someday when that coolness-to-bugginess ratio slides too far to the buggy side, we'll stop buying.
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Kroneborge
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Re:I really don't understand why software companies
2011/09/27 22:00:33
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Yes, we might keep buying software as a whole. but that doesn't mean companies don't go out of business if they can't maintain customer loyalty.
Music software seems to be an pretty competitive field. Companies that don't take this stuff seriously can disapear almost overnight.
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