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I renounce my faith ...
[rant] ... in my political party. Mike, I'm sorry. I take back everything I've implied. I'm sitting here watching the evening news and they are talking about how the R controlled state house in Iowa has passed the following resolutions ... 1. Officially recognized a local basket ball team for their achievements. 2. Created a state bacon recognition day. (Beagle don't even start, I'm not in the mood!  ) 3. Officially recognized the genocide in Bosnia (which they pointed out was over 3 years ago.) 4. Resolution to support the horse industry in Iowa. 5. CUT OFF UNEMPLOYMENT EXTENSIONS TO THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF UNEMPLOYED IN THE STATE SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT THE (INSERT FOUL WORD HERE) IS WRONG WITH YOU (INSERT ANOTHER HORRIBLY FOUL WORD HERE)'ING PEOPLE! [/rant] I give up. I really give up.
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 18:45:20
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The belief in any system once it turns directly on specific members is always a brutal awakening (for the affected member).
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 18:56:09
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Here's what get's me ... they had the most successful campaign ever, nationwide ... and they're wasting their time on this crap? There are people suffering here in this state. Losing homes, no health care, and they are wasting time on recognizing a basketball team? My mind can't comprehend that. What a bunch of mindless fools.
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 18:59:15
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Sad isnt it. Very frustrating but duringand after retireing from the Fed Service, I have always maintained that those put in their postions are in one mind set-(Personal financial gain for themselves and being in the Spotlight) This is the way of management from the front line supervisors all the way to the top of the ones that we the public elected. I feel your frustration. Thank gawd we have the CH to keep us on track
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 19:21:13
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Ooh my favorite topic. Politics and economics (I'm serious, even more than music). First agreed that 1-4 should never have been brought up for discussion. The government shouldn't be wasting thier time with that stuff. It's not why they were elected, and it just serves as a disctration from the important issues (kind of like the recent arguments about the <100 billion in cuts between the Reps and Dems when the budget deficit is 1.5 trillion). As for the unemployement benfits. Man that sucks. Of course the reason is that they are probably out of money. http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=711 That's the problem with living beyond your means in the good times. When the bad times come you don't have any cushion. I REALLY hope that when this is all said and done (which will take years) that WE as Americans can finally get our act together and learn to live within (which means below) our means. IE in good times we run surpluses, which gives us some cushion when bad times come (which they always do). Unfourtantly I've seen little evidence of that so far. Most politicians on both sides refuse to accept the reality. We are out of money. A large portion of promised benefits won't be met. Also taxes will be going up (and not just on the rich). To fix this country we're going to need people to turn off football and American Idol and start paying attention. A good place to start is here http://www.pgpf.org/ This book is also a great read. http://www.amazon.com/Endgame-Debt-SuperCycle-Changes-Everything/dp/1118004574 Sadly I really think most people won't wake up until the bond markets crash and we go into the Greater Depression.
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 19:40:07
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While I should be "welcoming you to the compassionate side" I'm afraid it's not much better on the other side of the aisle either Bub, ol pal. As far as I can tell we've ginned us up a system that rewards avarice, incompetence and cronyism across the board. And it seems to be running as smooth as silk. Still I think there's a difference between those who base their decisions on what's good for them versus what's good for everybody. But, like I, a crazy hybrid libertarian/liberal atheist, tell my wife...who's a die hard uber liberal/environmentalist/seeker...when stuff like this happens just repeat the "serenity prayer". If that doesn't work...make a martini.
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 19:45:17
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We can't afford unemployment extentions
we can't afford a fair national health care system
but we have the finest army, navy and air force money can buy.
and we can afford trillions of dollars on futile, nonsensical military endeavors.
This plutocracy is becoming more obvious with each passing day.
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 20:10:22
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It was all lies. This whole election and R take back of the country was just one big fat huge stinking lie. What a wasted opportunity. I can't totally blame the R's because it was so screwed up when the D's were there too and not much change then either. And as much as I bust chops sometimes, I've never been die hard one way or the other. I see good idea's come from everywhere, but man, it's like the entire world is turned upside down and nobody is thinking clearly anymore. I guess it must be me just getting old.
@ Kroneborg you're right about people living beyond their means. Fortunately I've never been like that and I'm set for about 2 years after benefits stop worse case scenario. We've been able to save over 10K since I've been OOW because I don't have any travel expenses now and I'm not buying lunch on the road every day. That means almost half of what I was making was going to fuel and vehicle repairs. That situation is going to get worse for people with gas rising like it is. They are saying it's going to be $4.50 per gallon here by summer.
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 20:11:21
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"In related news, Dr. Jack Kevorkian was appointed as the next Overpopulation Control Czar..."
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 20:12:02
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Sadly I really think most people won't wake up until the bond markets crash and we go into the Greater Depression. I agree ............
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 20:17:55
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zungle
Sadly I really think most people won't wake up until the bond markets crash and we go into the Greater Depression.
I agree ............
Don't think too many will wake up then either...
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 20:30:32
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tom1
We can't afford unemployment extentions
we can't afford a fair national health care system
but we have the finest army, navy and air force money can buy.
and we can afford trillions of dollars on futile, nonsensical military endeavors.
This plutocracy is becoming more obvious with each passing day.
Actually we can't afford our military either. Here's a breakdown of what we spend money on now http://en.wikipedia.org/w...Spending_-_FY_2007.png As you can see 70% of all expenditures go to 4 things. Military, SS, Medicare, and interest. Our budget deficit was about 1.5 trillion. So even if we eliminated the military, we would still be about 800 billion short. Worse our for all our huge problems now, it doesn't start to really get bad for a couple of years yet until the growth in Medicare goes crazy. http://www.pgpf.org/~/med..._Care_G3_mmp.ashx?pid={93EF2CFC-8E61-47DF-88E9-6A2EC80A846D} There are no good choices anymore. Just less bad ones. People are going to hurt. And taxes are going to go up. And the longer we wait the worse things will be. All that being said, the general consensus is that if we develop a long term plan now to get costs under control, that could allow us a bit more short term wiggle room. I got laid off myself a couple of months ago, but was lucky to find another job quickly. I know many other people haven't been so fortunate. As for where I fall on the spectrum. I'm a libertarian/conservative/liberal  I think as much as possible government should get out of our lives BUT I do think there is a limited role for government to play. Especially when it comes to things like setting up proper oversight (and incentives) for our financial sector, our protecting the environment (I'm fairly liberal on the environment). Some of the things I think needs to happen Breakup all too big to fail banks. If you're to big to fail, you're too big. Get rid of the 60,000 pages of tax code and replace it with the Fair Tax (this would stop a lot of the corruption) Increase the gas tax, and use it to rebuild our crumbling infastructure. Raise the retirement age and index it to increases in life expectancy. End the failed War on Drugs (aka prohibition two. Man we suck at learning from our mistakes) There's more, but you get the idea, lol
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 20:39:37
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IE in good times we run surpluses, which gives us some cushion when bad times come (which they always do). The idea that a government should have a surplus is anathema to the right and inconceivable to the left. How many people would be willing to pay more taxes than necessary to keep the government running? Most of us are not willing to pay for the government services that we deem essential, or to pay down the public debt, let alone build up a rainy day fund. In that way, the government cost problem is a reflection of the will of the people. Not many Americans feel they should wait until they have enough money in the bank to pay for a new car, or a new house, and many are willing to put much more than bare necessities on a credit card. The government is not more profligate than the average voter, it just has immeasurably better credit. When no American has any personal debt, we may start to see that reflected in our collective choice of representation. In the mean time, while most of us will not choose to live under a bridge and save until we have enough for decent shelter, many of us will attempt to reduce the government to a stinking bag of rags rather than to pay what it costs to run a good government. It is arguable that financial rectitude is incompatible with a market economy. The dreaded "government bailout" was undertaken because most experts recognized that the quite sensible freeze on credit due to uncertainty among the gambling classes that resulted from the bursting of a market bubble would plunge the world economy into a disastrous depression. No individual or business entity would have had either the courage or the resources to avert that scenario. No government could have done that if it had to depend on spending cash on hand. Unfortunately we live with in a pyramid scheme where the only thing of any value is the delusion that is money. And money is made of debt.
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 20:42:15
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Prediction!
This thread will devolve into someone calling another forum member a nasty demeaning name, then someone might make a threat and then eventually someone's feelings will be hurt.
I havent been wrong about this kind of thread yet.
Wait and watch for it, OR just stop now and leave this stuff to other places on the web.
This isnt the place for it folks.
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 20:51:13
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trimph1
zungle
Sadly I really think most people won't wake up until the bond markets crash and we go into the Greater Depression.
I agree ............
Don't think too many will wake up then either...
As Bub so aptly demonstrates. He actually thinks that those in charge are there to help him and that common sense is common. No offense Bub. It's all just a game.
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Bub
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 20:59:46
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No offense taken at all Timidi. The point I was making was, they are there to govern, not waste time patting a children's basketball team on the back or acknowledging something that happened in a foreign country 3 years ago. Do what you were put there to do, not that garbage.
@ Randy, you're probably right. I imagine this will get locked or deleted very soon. Either way is ok. :)
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 21:03:13
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slartabartfast
IE in good times we run surpluses, which gives us some cushion when bad times come (which they always do).
The idea that a government should have a surplus is anathema to the right and inconceivable to the left. How many people would be willing to pay more taxes than necessary to keep the government running? Most of us are not willing to pay for the government services that we deem essential, or to pay down the public debt, let alone build up a rainy day fund.
In that way, the government cost problem is a reflection of the will of the people. Not many Americans feel they should wait until they have enough money in the bank to pay for a new car, or a new house, and many are willing to put much more than bare necessities on a credit card. The government is not more profligate than the average voter, it just has immeasurably better credit. When no American has any personal debt, we may start to see that reflected in our collective choice of representation. In the mean time, while most of us will not choose to live under a bridge and save until we have enough for decent shelter, many of us will attempt to reduce the government to a stinking bag of rags rather than to pay what it costs to run a good government.
It is arguable that financial rectitude is incompatible with a market economy. The dreaded "government bailout" was undertaken because most experts recognized that the quite sensible freeze on credit due to uncertainty among the gambling classes that resulted from the bursting of a market bubble would plunge the world economy into a disastrous depression. No individual or business entity would have had either the courage or the resources to avert that scenario. No government could have done that if it had to depend on spending cash on hand.
Unfortunately we live with in a pyramid scheme where the only thing of any value is the delusion that is money. And money is made of debt.
Some governments do run surplus (I think a number of states went into this recession with then). But even if you didn't want to do that. At least going in with close to zero debt would put you in a position that a little bit of deficit spending wouldn't be a big deal. Agreed that we should decide what size of government we want, and then set a tax level to pay for it. However one interesting fact. Over the last 60 or so years federal government revenue has stayed remarkably close to 18% of GDP. http://reason.com/archive...h-about-deficits-and-t So unless that changes (which history shows is unlikely) then if we want to stop the country from going over a cliff we will need to get expentiures down close to 18%. @ Randy I hope you're wrong. And I promise not to do any of that myself :) As for there being other places to talk about this stuff you're right. but then again shouldn't friends be able to talk about what they want? Thanks,
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 21:10:35
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Kroneborge
(Man we suck at learning from our mistakes)
Says it all. After paying into SS since its requirement, I feel for those that already have to work until 67 because of the corrupt and purposefully failed situations we are in now. Most I know say they will NEVER be able to retire now while their checks are raped. I believe in the tax system but it is in the hands of those we have decided need to represent us and controlled in a way like the failed banks we have already seen. WHY would you give more to those that have bankrupted you in the first place and expect CHANGES. ( Corrupt Management & Personal Gain ) Eliminate these outragous salaries, pay-for-performance and bonuses, non-essential positions outside of production and maintenance and do not elect those that have direct interest in a corporate capacity, business ownership, etc... and much will change for the better towards those that are paying physically and financially and living payday to payday. (IMHO) This is not meant toward anyone business or level of office but how I see our society now trying to run off of a failed business model and the expense of the employees.
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 21:21:58
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digi2ns
Eliminate these outragous salaries ...
Speaking of outrageous salaries ... I'm watching a show on TV now about selling properties in New York City. A 1,000 square foot condo ... $5.6 Million. 6500 square foot town home rental for $13,000 per month. Now how much do you have to make to afford that? Holy crap!
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 21:27:38
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HISTORY = BREAD AND CIRCUSES .....
appease the masses while Rome burns (yes a juxtaposition of history but the path is the same )
Green Acres is the place to be I dont twitter, facebook, snapchat, instagram,linkedin,tumble,pinterest,flick, blah blah,lets have an old fashioned conversation!
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 21:29:09
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That ones beyond my level of comprehension. Im looking at trying to get off the grid now so Im not attached to anything that can be messed with or manipulated. I have control issues LMAO
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 21:33:10
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digi2ns
That ones beyond my level of comprehension. Im looking at trying to get off the grid now so Im not attached to anything that can be messed with or manipulated. I have control issues LMAO
huh well if your up late at night , listen to Coast to Coast on AM radio .. ALL kinds of theories, conspiracies, books, videos, plans , Armageddons, self help, new world order, get off the drid, genetic food stuff... take some of it with a grain of salt
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 21:34:23
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If I could draw... which I cannot... I would draw the following cartoon:
On a public square, in the center of a small town, in a beautiful pristine rural setting...
On one side, political rally with posters of elephants, and a crowd chanting, "Vote Tweedledee, vote Tweedledee..."
Opposite side of the square, a second political rally with posters of donkeys, and a crowd chanting, "Vote Tweedledum, mote Tweddeldum..."
In the background, only faintly visible, a huge glass towerlike corporate structure. In the front of it stands as sinister and nasty a guy as you could find. On each side of him are two slightly worried "underlings," one in a conservative suit, the other dressed like a '60's hippie. The guy in the center with a beyond evil grin says, "Relax, we've got it all covered."
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 21:35:36
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It's a shame, all politics has gone down the toilet.
I learned my philosophy from Benny Hill: "You can tell which politician is lying, he's the one who's lips are moving."
I vote, but for candidate i think is least able to actually do anything.
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 21:40:31
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musicman100
digi2ns
That ones beyond my level of comprehension. Im looking at trying to get off the grid now so Im not attached to anything that can be messed with or manipulated. I have control issues LMAO
huh well if your up late at night , listen to Coast to Coast on AM radio .. ALL kinds of theories, conspiracies, books, videos, plans , Armageddons, self help, new world order, get off the drid, genetic food stuff...
NAH, I dont go that far with it. Not into the NWO type things or anything like that. I just want to pay my taxes so hopefully the roads and schools will be taken care of and enjoy life without being exposed to the corruptness out there-its everywhere and in my lil world, I can control that part. [:D)
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 21:51:19
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noldar12
If I could draw... which I cannot... I would draw the following cartoon:
On a public square, in the center of a small town, in a beautiful pristine rural setting...
On one side, political rally with posters of elephants, and a crowd chanting, "Vote Tweedledee, vote Tweedledee..."
Opposite side of the square, a second political rally with posters of donkeys, and a crowd chanting, "Vote Tweedledum, mote Tweddeldum..."
In the background, only faintly visible, a huge glass towerlike corporate structure. In the front of it stands as sinister and nasty a guy as you could find. On each side of him are two slightly worried "underlings," one in a conservative suit, the other dressed like a '60's hippie. The guy in the center with a beyond evil grin says, "Relax, we've got it all covered."
ROFL
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 22:05:34
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Kroneborge
....Agreed that we should decide what size of government we want, and then set a tax level to pay for it...
And this is the heart of the problem. There is no one size fits all government. I think that politicians should be public servants with term limits and not be career thiefs with lobbiest in their pockets. I want minimal government and maximum freedom from government. On the other hand, there are those that are to happy to give everything up to have social engineering practiced on them.
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 22:11:20
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Kroneborge
....Agreed that we should decide what size of government we want, and then set a tax level to pay for it...
And this is the heart of the problem. There is no one size fits all government. I think that politicians should be public servants with term limits and not be career thiefs with lobbiest in their pockets. I want minimal government and maximum freedom from government. On the other hand, there are those that are to happy to give everything up to have social engineering practiced on them.
I agree. But I think if most people were forced to pay for that government now, instead of trying to force someone else to pay for it (IE usually later generations) then many people would opt for a bit less.
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 22:23:14
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Mathew, have you ever read books by Richard Maybury? I think you'd enjoy them, even though they're written for high school age. (maybe that's why I enjoy them) :)
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trimph1
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Re:I renounce my faith ...
2011/04/07 22:41:25
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The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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