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2012/05/03 05:17:18 (permalink)

I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months!

I have been doing a lot of google searches lately and I am finding more and more people have been having issues with Sonar. I love Sonar X1 and I love Reason 6 as well and I hate that I feel like I have to make a choice between the two when the reason I bought Sonar X1 2 months ago was to use the two together. Sonar X1 has been a big trouble shooting session after big trouble shooting session and I am not happy with it right now. Between the poor technical support, the large amount of ignored bugs, and the biggest one of all the fact that you guys have had the audacity to upgrade your rewire in X1d to 64 bit knowing it didn't work right and even admitting that it doesn't work right over the phone with customer support. I am very frustrated with this and I have spent the better part of a month googling fixes and buying plug ins to work with a program that has a busted feature that should just work in the first place. Not to mention the audio dropouts. I thought it was an issue with my audio interface (propellerheads balance) but in fact when I run any other audio app this doesn't happen its only with Sonar. I am very upset because I think Cakewalk does have some great ideas but when you try to add more and more features and focus less on stability or making sure that the old ones work right it makes customers very much so angry and upset. It only makes it worse to find out that I cannot sell my Sonar licenses once they have been registered. I am not new to Sonar I bought home studio in 2005 and that version of home studio runs 100 times better than your current flag ship software with everything i own. I am afraid to ask if I could upgrade it to 64 bit because I think if you guys touched it that it may come back screwed up! Anyway I just hope that Cakewalk takes my complaint seriously and really works to focus on fixing ALL of the bugs in their software and not make the cop out that it depends on your system because this is the only software that I have ever heard of not working right even if you have a powerful pc. I am going to test out Reaper and Cubase.      


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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 06:26:49 (permalink)
    Totally agree !    This is my living and what with all the crashes /drop outs etc 'it has become somewhat of a liability!!
    I too run other applications and i have not one problem(Pro Tools/Fruity Loops10-Producer)
    Such a shame as it is quite an easy DAW to get to know 
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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 06:34:41 (permalink)
    As with all things, mileage varies. Sorry to hear about your troubles.

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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 06:36:05 (permalink)
    I had problems with X1 originally, but with the C update and now the D update my installation is running without problems.  I also have Pro Tools (MP9) and to be truthful I'm not impressed with Pro Tools (plus its still a 32 bit DAW - even Pro Tools 10 is still 32 bit).

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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 07:35:53 (permalink)
    Until my join date,I'd NEVER used any computer EVER in my life,but I played electrical guitar pro for years.

    Learning to use a computer,and X1 took a good 6 months,and now at 47 y.o.,I don't seem to have enough time to get everything down thats been waiting 15 years since I was in a 24track studio.

    The secret for me was getting a desktop,as well as the laptop[Dell XPS i7, that doesn't always behave],whereas the desktop is perfection.

    I got the desktop,after tons of frustration,and instead of blowing 1,500 on an RME interface I bought another computer,and now have X1D Exp. x64 on both machines,all plugs everything duped,and due to having both,if there's a disaster[and lets face it,crap can happen,anytime really] I have piece of mind knowing,the other machine will be ready to go.

    Sorry to hear of the drama,but this is what helped me,heaps.

    Bob.  P.S 32bit was a nightmare on my laptop completely,64 is way more stable[though 32 is flawless on the desktop] X1 is VERY machine/HW dependent In my opinion,regardless of my short,but INTENSE 12 months experience.
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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 08:07:36 (permalink)
    I think any daw performs best if on a dedicated machine desktop platform. If people have all that other stuff going, browsing etc, most daws will misbehave.

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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 12:22:54 (permalink)
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    I think any daw performs best if on a dedicated machine desktop platform. If people have all that other stuff going, browsing etc, most daws will misbehave.

    I don't have these problem with any program except Sonar X1 and Sonar Home Studio 7. I have been using computers for music production since 2000 on both laptops and desktops. Never had a problem with laptops. Besides that I collaborate a lot and need to be able to move around. A laptop is ideal for me. 


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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 12:25:46 (permalink)
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    Until my join date,I'd NEVER used any computer EVER in my life,but I played electrical guitar pro for years.

    Learning to use a computer,and X1 took a good 6 months,and now at 47 y.o.,I don't seem to have enough time to get everything down thats been waiting 15 years since I was in a 24track studio.

    The secret for me was getting a desktop,as well as the laptop[Dell XPS i7, that doesn't always behave],whereas the desktop is perfection.

    I got the desktop,after tons of frustration,and instead of blowing 1,500 on an RME interface I bought another computer,and now have X1D Exp. x64 on both machines,all plugs everything duped,and due to having both,if there's a disaster[and lets face it,crap can happen,anytime really] I have piece of mind knowing,the other machine will be ready to go.

    Sorry to hear of the drama,but this is what helped me,heaps.

    Bob.  P.S 32bit was a nightmare on my laptop completely,64 is way more stable[though 32 is flawless on the desktop] X1 is VERY machine/HW dependent In my opinion,regardless of my short,but INTENSE 12 months experience.
    Do you use soft synths? I do. when recording audio and using Sonar's internal stuff it works perfectly but when running plug ins and rewire I have had the most trouble and since all of my music is based around soft synths Sonar is just a bad fit. I was really angry about it last night but I have calmed down some now though     


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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 12:53:44 (permalink)
    Just observations, no attacks:
    A dedicated daw made for music by a professional (Jim Roseberry, for one) makes a HUGE difference. I use X1d Exp. I can run more instances of more synths (Kontakt, Steven Slate 4, B4II, Sampletekk Seven Seas Grand in Kontakt to name some) all at the same time - no dropouts, no crashes. A Dell laptop is not in the same league. Without much more info, the really excellnt, quick to help regulars here can't offer much more than speculation, either.

    I hope when folks go on to their next recording app, they have better results. But truthfully, they shouldn't be surprised if they don't. There's bugs everywhere...

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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 13:07:34 (permalink)
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    Just observations, no attacks:
    A dedicated daw made for music by a professional (Jim Roseberry, for one) makes a HUGE difference. I use X1d Exp. I can run more instances of more synths (Kontakt, Steven Slate 4, B4II, Sampletekk Seven Seas Grand in Kontakt to name some) all at the same time - no dropouts, no crashes. A Dell laptop is not in the same league. Without much more info, the really excellnt, quick to help regulars here can't offer much more than speculation, either.

    I hope when folks go on to their next recording app, they have better results. But truthfully, they shouldn't be surprised if they don't. There's bugs everywhere...

    If it helps I am on a SamSung 7 series laptop core i7 2nd gen  2.2ghz processor 8 gigs of ram. I can use a lot of plug ins with not too many problems but I get audio dropouts any time I open a plug in even though Sonar comes right back after. I think my audio interface (Propellerhead Balance) doesn't like Sonar but I only have this problem with Sonar. And then of course rewire just does not work right. I have been trying to find work arounds since day 1 of getting this software and what I get from most people using both Reason and Sonar is to either drop Reason or drop Sonar. I'd rather drop Sonar. I have plug ins I love and I love the gui in Sonar X1 but if I cannot properly use Reason with Sonar while rewired then I have no reason to continue using Sonar. Truth be told if someone knew of a proper work around that allows me to create using multiple Reason instruments in the Sonar sequencer and keep everything in time I would love to stay but when I contacted tech support and they said its a known issue and when I come back here and see threads about this problem going on for years and then I see they have updated it for X1 or are adding pro channel modules ect rather than fixing this issue which is core to a DAW imo as many people do use Reason as a synth in their host program then to me its a huge a problem. 


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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 13:11:09 (permalink)
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    I have been doing a lot of google searches lately and I am finding more and more people have been having issues with Sonar. I love Sonar X1 and I love Reason 6 as well and I hate that I feel like I have to make a choice between the two when the reason I bought Sonar X1 2 months ago was to use the two together. Sonar X1 has been a big trouble shooting session after big trouble shooting session and I am not happy with it right now. Between the poor technical support, the large amount of ignored bugs, and the biggest one of all the fact that you guys have had the audacity to upgrade your rewire in X1d to 64 bit knowing it didn't work right and even admitting that it doesn't work right over the phone with customer support. I am very frustrated with this and I have spent the better part of a month googling fixes and buying plug ins to work with a program that has a busted feature that should just work in the first place. Not to mention the audio dropouts. I thought it was an issue with my audio interface (propellerheads balance) but in fact when I run any other audio app this doesn't happen its only with Sonar. I am very upset because I think Cakewalk does have some great ideas but when you try to add more and more features and focus less on stability or making sure that the old ones work right it makes customers very much so angry and upset. It only makes it worse to find out that I cannot sell my Sonar licenses once they have been registered. I am not new to Sonar I bought home studio in 2005 and that version of home studio runs 100 times better than your current flag ship software with everything i own. I am afraid to ask if I could upgrade it to 64 bit because I think if you guys touched it that it may come back screwed up! Anyway I just hope that Cakewalk takes my complaint seriously and really works to focus on fixing ALL of the bugs in their software and not make the cop out that it depends on your system because this is the only software that I have ever heard of not working right even if you have a powerful pc. I am going to test out Reaper and Cubase.      

    I feel your frustration, especially the part in red.  This has definitely become one of my main gripes w/ Sonar.  I feel like a lot of things in Sonar are sort of "half-baked" so-to-speak in comparison to other DAWs.  It seems their focus is more on things like ProChannel which is redundant since pretty much everything it offers is already available in adundance via 3rd party.  Not saying I don't like PC, but I really feel their time and resources would be much better spent thoroughly "baking" the core functionality of Sonar.  This is why I have stopped purchasing the PC modules.  I simply can't justify buying another unnecessary PC module when basic automation functions (which are necessary) flat out don't work at all.  There is no reason almost every other program is gapless while Sonar has been around longer then damn near all of them.   
     
     I realize X1 is supposedly an "overhaul" and the longer release cycle seems to be indicative of deeper development under the hood.  For this reason, I've said for a while that I'm reserving final judgement on the new direction until X2 (or whatever it will be called) to see if Cake is TRULY serious about bringing their A game w/ Sonar, but if some serious leaps and bounds are not made by that time then I'm moving on and my money will be invested elsewhere. 
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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 13:17:24 (permalink)
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    I have been doing a lot of google searches lately and I am finding more and more people have been having issues with Sonar. I love Sonar X1 and I love Reason 6 as well and I hate that I feel like I have to make a choice between the two when the reason I bought Sonar X1 2 months ago was to use the two together. Sonar X1 has been a big trouble shooting session after big trouble shooting session and I am not happy with it right now. Between the poor technical support, the large amount of ignored bugs, and the biggest one of all the fact that you guys have had the audacity to upgrade your rewire in X1d to 64 bit knowing it didn't work right and even admitting that it doesn't work right over the phone with customer support. I am very frustrated with this and I have spent the better part of a month googling fixes and buying plug ins to work with a program that has a busted feature that should just work in the first place. Not to mention the audio dropouts. I thought it was an issue with my audio interface (propellerheads balance) but in fact when I run any other audio app this doesn't happen its only with Sonar. I am very upset because I think Cakewalk does have some great ideas but when you try to add more and more features and focus less on stability or making sure that the old ones work right it makes customers very much so angry and upset. It only makes it worse to find out that I cannot sell my Sonar licenses once they have been registered. I am not new to Sonar I bought home studio in 2005 and that version of home studio runs 100 times better than your current flag ship software with everything i own. I am afraid to ask if I could upgrade it to 64 bit because I think if you guys touched it that it may come back screwed up! Anyway I just hope that Cakewalk takes my complaint seriously and really works to focus on fixing ALL of the bugs in their software and not make the cop out that it depends on your system because this is the only software that I have ever heard of not working right even if you have a powerful pc. I am going to test out Reaper and Cubase.      

    I feel your frustration, especially the part in red.  This has definitely become one of my main gripes w/ Sonar.  I feel like a lot of things in Sonar are sort of "half-baked" so-to-speak in comparison to other DAWs.  It seems their focus is more on things like ProChannel which is redundant since pretty much everything it offers is already available in adundance via 3rd party.  Not saying I don't like PC, but I really feel their time and resources would be much better spent thoroughly "baking" the core functionality of Sonar.  This is why I have stopped purchasing the PC modules.  I simply can't justify buying another unnecessary PC module when basic automation functions (which are necessary) flat out don't work at all.  There is no reason almost every other program is gapless while Sonar has been around longer then damn near all of them.   
     
     I realize X1 is supposedly an "overhaul" and the longer release cycle seems to be indicative of deeper development under the hood.  For this reason, I've said for a while that I'm reserving final judgement on the new direction until X2 (or whatever it will be called) to see if Cake is TRULY serious about bringing their A game w/ Sonar, but if some serious leaps and bounds are not made by that time then I'm moving on and my money will be invested elsewhere. 

    That is exactly how I feel. I don't understand why my old ass copy of Home studio 5 works much much much better is more stable and handles overall just better than X1. How is it they have been around the longest but are the least popular they were a head of the game and are still failing. I am glad everyone here can be honest about how poorly Cakewalk is handling Sonar. Since I already own the license I will keep it around but until they fix the issues within Sonar I will not spend another dime on Cakewalk products. I am glad their plug in synths actually work right. I own Rapture, Dimension Pro and Z3ta 2 and I love all of them and have been using them in Reaper since yesterday pretty flawlessly


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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 14:00:40 (permalink)
    I was advised a long time ago that you try out DAWs and marry the one you get along with most.
    I have been w/Cakewalk since Sonar 3 & with the exception of 2 upgrades, I have never had any problems. It was a nice union.

    Sonar X1 has been a dreamcrusher. Crashes, lockups, bizarre behavior, sound changes. It is always something new and unpredictable. My latest is midi recording out of time.

    When I stop trusting the tools I rely upon then it is time to change.

    The sad part is I am making some amazing recordings with X1 but there are too many battles and work arounds. It is not fun.
    It is counterproductive to the creative process.

    I don't find the new workflow an improvement and I am not enjoying the X1 experience.

    The forum support is still great and informative but I have lost my love and trust of this product.

    Divorce is imminent and probably expensive. I really loved you Cake but you're not the DAW I married anymore.
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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 14:01:15 (permalink)
    I was tired of having to do 'work arounds' to get Melodyne to work with X1d properly so I downloaded the Presonus Studio One demo.

    After dicking with it for an hour or so, I wasn't any further ahead than I was when I started.  I'm pretty adept at working with the ol' computer, so I was not impressed with the workflow.  I think I'm so used to Sonar's that I'd have to truly dedicate a lot of time to get to know anything else.

    So I'm back to X1 because even tho it crashes here and there, it works for me everyday and I mix on it daily.

    I do agree that we need stability and not more modules for Expanded.
    Personally, I want Melodyne integrated.  I'd do anything to have this.  It'd speed up my workflow 10x.   But I realize, that's just me.
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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 14:08:47 (permalink)
    Personally, I want Melodyne integrated. I'd do anything to have this.

     
    That's exactly what I use S1 for.  The ARA integration is great and I haven't had any issues with that aspect.   But like you, I have yet to get S1 to "click" the way SONAR has.   And looking back, I never had to work hard in the first place to get that click, which is why I'm still with it.
     

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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 14:35:59 (permalink)
    I browse my butt off and I have quite a stable X1d Expanded, equally if not most stable SONAR for me as of yet.

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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 14:51:45 (permalink)
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    I browse my butt off and I have quite a stable X1d Expanded, equally if not most stable SONAR for me as of yet.

    Lance

    I'm sure many people have this experience, and I say, good for you. I think a lot of the bugs in X1 only come up for people who work a certain way, or have a certain version of the program with certain add ons. I have problems with the PC2A leveler. I have problems with Envelopes (particularly snapshots). I have problems with Perfect Space in 64 Bit, the z3ta soft synth, the metronome, the GUI sometimes scrolling to the bottom when I open track folders, tempo changes and drawing errors, realtime bounce.... the list goes on. I believe they are all bugs, and most reproducible.
     
    But I'm sure there are many people who don't have the PC2A, don't use perfect space, snapshots, or z3ta, run in 32 bit, and don't use many tempo changes. They wouldn't run into any of these bugs. They DO exist though... hell, I had NEVER had a problem with the metronome randomly dying until a month ago, when it just quit working. Came back after a restart of SONAR and hasn't misbehaved since. I read so many posts about that and thought "well not me", but here I am, adding it to my list now.
     
    I guess what I am saying is, either you are just lucky, or your specific workflow isn't affected. But I have been using various versions of Cakewalk almost daily since Pro Audio 7, and have never had this many frustrating bugs, and my workflow hasn't changed much at all.
     
    FWIW, IMHO, of course.
     
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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 15:17:57 (permalink)



    When you think about your computer as being a host for so many uses, and how well that usually works. It's amazing! 

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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 15:19:38 (permalink)
    Lanceindastudio


    I browse my butt off and I have quite a stable X1d Expanded, equally if not most stable SONAR for me as of yet.

    Lance

    Same here Lance.

     
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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 15:35:05 (permalink)
    It is weird because I have used SONAR on several computer I built over years of work, and have always been quite stable with an occasional problem here and there like any other software. There are bugs like any other software, but I always have good machines that I built with parts individually selected and system configured correctly, and, for the life of me, have always had a really good experience overall.

    I use a whole lot of plugins and soft synths, native to SONAR and third party.

    If I build somebodies system, which I have many times, it is going to work and work pretty darn well.

    My average project is over 60 tracks at least.

    Lance

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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 15:57:50 (permalink)
    I think you are having a lot of issues with X1 because of your hardware, its drivers and settings a long with your computer. It seems to work fine for a lot of users and doesn't work as well for others. That should say something. Sometimes its best to start from scratch if you're having too many problems with your laptop and desktop - so ditch them both. X1 wasn't intended or coded to give you the issues and problems you are facing. And to migrate to a new DAW with the system and setup you already have, may not be beneficial or help you down the road either. So your goal should be to get a system up and running with X1 to be stable as possible and not give in to your frustrations. So to sum things up, you need a new laptop, desktop and a new audio interface. I've heard about other users with issues using Samsung laptops before when it comes to DAW based systems. It could be some programs they have running in the background or drivers. I would ditch it and get an HP elitebook.
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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 17:45:45 (permalink)
    guitardad


    I think any daw performs best if on a dedicated machine desktop platform. If people have all that other stuff going, browsing etc, most daws will misbehave.


    ditto - imho

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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 17:48:32 (permalink)
    Lanceindastudio


    I browse my butt off and I have quite a stable X1d Expanded, equally if not most stable SONAR for me as of yet.

    Lance


    I truly believe it has a lot to do with what your using as your operating system....

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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 18:15:06 (permalink)
    this girls got it right and seems happy with it!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4j-1cdAr5Q
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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 18:15:23 (permalink)
    Lanceindastudio


    It is weird because I have used SONAR on several computer I built over years of work, and have always been quite stable with an occasional problem here and there like any other software. There are bugs like any other software, but I always have good machines that I built with parts individually selected and system configured correctly, and, for the life of me, have always had a really good experience overall.

    I use a whole lot of plugins and soft synths, native to SONAR and third party.

    If I build somebodies system, which I have many times, it is going to work and work pretty darn well.

    My average project is over 60 tracks at least.

    Lance

    You have had some amazing luck then Lance. My experience has not been as good with Sonar X1. Home Studio 4 did not give me nearly as many problems (the occasional audio dropout was the only problem I had there) and with plug ins and internal stuff X1 seems to run ok. My biggest gripe is when using rewire. Reason is an essential part of my production process. A lot more so than Sonar. 


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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 18:25:36 (permalink)
    rewire is one thing ill admie ive done very little wih.

    i can howeverr guarantee ha over the several sysems i have built, luck had very little to do with it all.

    lance

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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/03 20:34:41 (permalink)
    I have a New Dell XPS stripped down, only music programs running and run alot of softsynths.  No issues at all.  With the way software conflicts can happen, it could be anything causing the problems. 

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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/04 01:28:41 (permalink)
    I'm surprised at how well X1 is working on my system.  Even AudioSnap is working without issues that I can find (yet).  I've tried every version of SONAR since 2.2, and X1d is the most stable for me.  No crashes ever.  (Knock on bird's eye maple.)
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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/04 01:50:37 (permalink)
    xabiton


    Lanceindastudio


    It is weird because I have used SONAR on several computer I built over years of work, and have always been quite stable with an occasional problem here and there like any other software. There are bugs like any other software, but I always have good machines that I built with parts individually selected and system configured correctly, and, for the life of me, have always had a really good experience overall.

    I use a whole lot of plugins and soft synths, native to SONAR and third party.

    If I build somebodies system, which I have many times, it is going to work and work pretty darn well.

    My average project is over 60 tracks at least.

    Lance

    You have had some amazing luck then Lance. My experience has not been as good with Sonar X1. Home Studio 4 did not give me nearly as many problems (the occasional audio dropout was the only problem I had there) and with plug ins and internal stuff X1 seems to run ok. My biggest gripe is when using rewire. Reason is an essential part of my production process. A lot more so than Sonar. 
    its not just lance man,its alot of us,were running sonar very stable,i have to say i feel for you man,im sorry to hear it.
    but i think you'd have to agree more people then less are running sonar x1 very storng with little to no problems at all.
    i know,i know, your rebuttle is "dude,look at all the complaints"
    this forum is just a small anout of people that use sonar x1 and most of the people here on this forum are here because of a problem,
    sometimes user error has got them so confused they get angry and come here and vent(thats understandable)
    and i do know there has been some issues with this release.
     
    ive had my problems here and there but nothing where i would be giving up and saying im done.
    this release has been stable for me on an i3,and now on an amd phenom 2 6 core..im flying with no issues.
    i shouldnt say none,my m audio driver has been acting up.
     
    wish i could help you man.not sure which soft synths you are using but any of the cakewalks synths are working great.
    it may be that you are using a third party synth that has issues and its not sonar at all.
    then how would you feel?
    to know you came here wrote this thread accussing x1 and all the while it was another vst,or a hardware issue.
     
    my opinion is its got alot to do with hardware,i mean if im running smooth as silk with an amd,8 gigs of ram.
    and your crashing all over the place with an i7 ??..whooo  ell...its got to be something other then x1 dont you think?
    maybe hardware or a vst problem?
     
    trust me im not a spokes person for cakewalk,as a matter of fact i have my issues with cakewalk myself.
    but its got nothing to do with sonar x1,it would be unfair for me to blame the daw because its not made to accomidate my m audio device.
    its m audios falt.
     

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    Re:I think I have finally had it with Sonar X1 after 2 months! 2012/05/04 02:21:32 (permalink)
    xabiton . . . it's taking you a long time to leave, perhaps you don't really want to go ?

    Hopefully you'll find some help here on the forum, or at Cakewalk tech support.
    While your computer specs are pretty savvy, obviously something on your system is not working well with Sonar. Seems like the audio interface, and rewire issues on your system are causing too many problems.

    You're mentioning troubles with soft synths, rewire, Reason, hopefully you've read the manuals for these to know what will work, and what won't work in Sonar.

    My system is much older (Win XP 32 bit), and I have no (okay, very few) troubles running Sonar X1d Expanded. Also, my M-Audio soundcard has always talked very well with Sonar.

    I've seen on this forum that the stability of Sonar, depends on the system hardware, as well as how you use the software, especially the plugins you use. Cakewalk Tech support, are understaffed, but they have always come through for me, just takes some time.

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