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2015/05/03 00:08:17 (permalink)

I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing....

I was just thinking about it today...I mean $50/month for everything....it kind of sucks in a way but on the other hand there's no way I would think about shelling out for the whole creative suite outright. Even though that's $600 a year, there's something palatable about $50/month especially when I consider all the subscriptions I currently have that I could cancel because I don't use them much. Plus since I'm in the process of designing a new site for my business it's going to be tax deductible. 
 
The only trouble is I'm probably going to have to get a Lynda.com subscription as well to learn all of this stuff. I would really like to get back into Illustrator and also learn After Effects, and of course Photoshop and Lightroom are amazing as well. But you also get Audition which is excellent...
 
Any reason why this is a bad idea? 

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 02:01:13 (permalink)
au contrair on the paying for Lynda.com:
 
http://www.nypl.org/press/press-release/2012/12/06/new-york-public-library-partners-lyndacom-provide-patrons-free-access
 
most public libraries around the country offer this
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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 02:06:05 (permalink)
I suppose it's a matter of perceived value.
If it is worth it to you, go for it.

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 02:32:06 (permalink)
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au contrair on the paying for Lynda.com:
 
http://www.nypl.org/press/press-release/2012/12/06/new-york-public-library-partners-lyndacom-provide-patrons-free-access
 
most public libraries around the country offer this




Yeah but are they open at 1am when I'm usually knee deep in this sort of thing? 

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 02:33:36 (permalink)
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I suppose it's a matter of perceived value.
If it is worth it to you, go for it.




The more I think about it, the more it is. I would really like to become proficient in web design, graphic design, photo editing, video editing and freaky special effects. 

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 03:57:18 (permalink)
Lynda.com rocks - and you can usually get a week free trial.

 
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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 10:54:17 (permalink)
After I try out Lynda for a week can I move on to Suzy, then maybe Estelle?
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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 11:57:53 (permalink)
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au contrair on the paying for Lynda.com:
 
http://www.nypl.org/press/press-release/2012/12/06/new-york-public-library-partners-lyndacom-provide-patrons-free-access
 
most public libraries around the country offer this




Yeah but are they open at 1am when I'm usually knee deep in this sort of thing? 


You can login from home. You eneter the library as user name and library card number as password, or something like that. I'll find the link with details.
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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 12:06:58 (permalink)
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au contrair on the paying for Lynda.com:
 
http://www.nypl.org/press/press-release/2012/12/06/new-york-public-library-partners-lyndacom-provide-patrons-free-access
 
most public libraries around the country offer this




Yeah but are they open at 1am when I'm usually knee deep in this sort of thing? 


You can login from home. You eneter the library as user name and library card number as password, or something like that. I'll find the link with details.




Wow that would be great if true!

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 12:44:51 (permalink)
I like to watch the Lynda stuff in Windows Media Player so I can go through each lesson at double speed.  Unlike other players, it doesn't make the teacher sound like a chipmunk, it just makes them talk faster.

 
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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 14:10:02 (permalink)
If you can set it up as a business expense then the Adobe program is just the thing. It becomes the cost of doing business and the expense can be passed on to customers or written off. A guy like me can't afford to buy in and Sonar is the only software I plan on constantly upgrading.

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 14:37:57 (permalink)
I write my adobe subscription off every year.
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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 15:08:44 (permalink)
sharke, i just confirmed, that it does work for the local library system  here it works.  i believe the program is similar across the country so inquire with new York's library system how it is implemented there. The way iit works here is i go to the KCLS (King County library system) and then click Learning & Training > under subject choose Computer Leraning > then select the Lynda link below, enter your library card and PIN.  free training.  Might be worth a try jus toing to your library's website and trying a similar path.
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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 16:17:42 (permalink)
I found a page to sign up for Brooklyn library's Lynda service, but not Manhattan. However I need to look into how to join the library first. In all the years I've lived here I've never found the need. So I'm not sure if you have to give proof of a Brooklyn address to sign up in Brooklyn etc. However I can't imagine it would only be available in certain boroughs so I will call tomorrow and ask. Thanks for the tip, will save me a lot of money if I can sign up (and I believe you also have access to the practice files which are an extra $10 or so on the paid subscription).

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 16:20:03 (permalink)

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 16:42:33 (permalink)
Hi Sharke,
 
FWIW, I've had the Creative Cloud subscription for a good while now.
If you use several Adobe applications (especially for business), it's absolutely worth the $50/month.
 
There's so much to learn...
I'm absorbing simple things bit-by-bit.
Someday, my video special EFX will look a whole lot more advanced.  
For now, I have to keep things simple and within my sphere of limited knowledge/ability.

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 17:18:50 (permalink)
Hi Jim, 
 
Yeah Adobe stuff can get overwhelming if you bite off more than you can chew at a time. There's just so much to learn for each app and not all of it is immediately intuitive. But it's really worth learning it properly because blindly groping around only gets you so far. Years ago I had Lightroom on an old machine and thought I'd pretty much sussed it out. But then I watched the Lynda course and realized I was only scratching the surface. Same thing with Illustrator. The trouble is like any other piece of complicated software, you have to keep using it otherwise it's easy to forget what you've learned, especially with regards to things like keyboard shortcuts. I'm basically going back to Illustrator as a new user, I've forgotten that much. Keeps the old bean occupied though!

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 18:05:20 (permalink)
sharke, I do tutoring on several adobe products (Premiere, After Effects, Photoshop and Audition although i doubt you need help on that one) as part of my business, so i can be of help as well if you have a question. yes, they do include practice files.
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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 18:58:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/05/03 20:30:43
 
 
I addition to Dub's kind offer of help, I'd be able to chip in a bit as far as editing photographs goes James. I'm getting up to speed using advanced layer masking techniques to process images in Photoshop, and I'm pretty au fait with most of what you can do in Lightroom.
 
The full subscription would be wasted on me, but I am loving the 'Photography' Plan, which includes Photoshop CC and Lightroom CC. I worked out roughly how much it averages out per annum to purchase every other version or so of Photoshop Elements and every new release of Lightroom, and by my reckoning, it's just a tiny bit more to subscribe to the Photography Plan at £8.57 a month.
 
On the down side obviously, I'll never own the software, although I do have Elements 11 and Lightroom 5 to fall back on if I stop subscribing. On the plus side, I get to use Photoshop instead of Elements with the Plan. As Lightroom 6/CC actually arrived quite a bit sooner than my calculations had accounted for, I'm just about in the black at the moment!
 
 
 
 

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 20:01:02 (permalink)
Thanks guys, I may well be asking questions. I think Lightroom should come back to me easily enough but I was always a bit rusty with Photoshop, probably because I got so used to Lightroom which has a better workflow for photographers if basic processing is all you need. First thing I need to do though is bring my old Leica out of hiding! I got so lazy what with the general improvement in phone cameras that I stopped carrying a "proper" camera around. 

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 20:55:19 (permalink)
Hey Sharke,

I too have been seriously been considering just the Photoshop/ Light Room option from Adobe. I believe that was $10 a month last time I looked. I have used Lightroom more that Photoshop, but would like to get more familiar with PS.

Steve, I follow every photography thread you post on these forums...you do some awesome work.

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 21:26:05 (permalink)
Ohhh, Adobe software is just mint. I think $50/month is steep but if you can do it in ANY volume, DO IT. I think I saw Flash at $15/month, which I might do after a trial (30-days to learn it, haha)

 
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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 21:53:01 (permalink)
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Hey Sharke,

I too have been seriously been considering just the Photoshop/ Light Room option from Adobe. I believe that was $10 a month last time I looked. I have used Lightroom more that Photoshop, but would like to get more familiar with PS.

Steve, I follow every photography thread you post on these forums...you do some awesome work.



Yep $10 a month. But that's for the annual plan - you're basically locked in for a year. I think the deal is that if you cancel before the year's out, they'll bill you for 50% of the rest of your contract. 

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 21:53:16 (permalink)
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Ohhh, Adobe software is just mint. I think $50/month is steep but if you can do it in ANY volume, DO IT. I think I saw Flash at $15/month, which I might do after a trial (30-days to learn it, haha)




Isn't Flash kinda dying out these days? 

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 22:07:35 (permalink)
Adobe is certainly not going forward with it.  It's mostly a legacy product.  HTML video is the new standard and growing. Flash was dead when Apple made it clear they would not bother.  Didn't help that android does not fully support either.
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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/03 22:08:20 (permalink)
I keep telling myself  i will start using Lightroom, but years of photoshop use have me rooted in a workflow.
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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/04 07:40:10 (permalink)
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I keep telling myself  i will start using Lightroom, but years of photoshop use have me rooted in a workflow.




Dub, I came from it the other way round. I intensively learned Lightroom 4 long before I had even considered upgrading from PS Elements to Photoshop.
 
From my perspective, I've put together a nice suite of software and plug-ins that give me some great tools, and plenty of options, to process my photos from the RAW file coming off my camera's SD card right through to a web or print-friendly final image. If anything, so good is the software we now have at our fingertips, the difficult choices can be to decide which processes one actually applies to any given image.
 
How I start the process of creating an image largely depends on whether I'd been shooting HDR or not, and what quality the final image needs to be. I pretty much always shoot so each photo is saved in both RAW and JPEG format, so I'm covering all the bases as to what I'm going to end up using the images for.
 
If, for example, I'm shooting a set of images to use in an eBay listing, I'll bring the jpegs straight into Photoshop, then perform basic exposure corrections and crops before batch processing the set to resize down and sharpen them all.
 
For my own stuff, I'll either open the RAW files in Lightroom or Adobe Camera Raw inside Photoshop. With HDR, I have favoured Photomatix Pro to merge the original RAW files before exporting the final TIFF into Photoshop. I have dabbled in Nik Collection HDR Efex Pro and Photoshop's Merge To HDR Pro, although of the three, I always seem to come back to Photomatix. I have been experimenting lately with using Photomatix to create a 32bit HDR file and then opening this file in Adobe Camera RAW to actually create the final image. This can a great way to achieve more 'natural' looking results, but it is very time-consuming.
 
With Lightroom 6/CC however, I think Adobe has come up with a bit of a game changer for the HDR enthusiast. LR now allows you to import the RAW files as usual, but now the HDR processing can be done 'in house' so to speak without having to export each set to another program. Where LR really scores is that the HDR image it creates is not 'pixel-based' as they call it, but is actually still a RAW file, or to use Adobe's designation, a Digital Negative (DNG). The nearest equivalent to this method is the Photomatix 32bit into Photoshop workflow I mentioned above (but much, much quicker), but whereas that process creates a .hdr file that can only be opened in HDR software, the Lightroom DNG can be further processed in Lightroom (as you would any other imported RAW file) or exported and opened in any RAW processing software.
 
I'm now really trying to get proficient in what is for me a completely new HDR workflow, creating the HDR RAW in Lightroom before bringing it into Photoshop to edit with all the various layer and layer-masking techniques I'm learning.
 
It's funny, but the more I dig into digital photography and image manipulation, the more similarities and corollaries I see with digital audio processing. If anything, having never processed my own film, all I ever learned about photography many years ago stops being of much help once I've taken the shot. I see a RAW image file in much the same way as a guitar track that's just been recorded. With both disciplines, you start with a 'raw' beginning (literally in the case of photography) before using software and plugins to end up with a finished product, be that a printed photograph or a mixed and mastered piece of music.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/04 09:33:21 (permalink)
I think Lightroom is great because it has all of your basic processing in one easy to understand, easily accessible workflow. And the cataloging/tagging functionality is fantastic. You really feel like your photos are organized. 

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/04 10:51:28 (permalink)
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I think Lightroom is great because it has all of your basic processing in one easy to understand, easily accessible workflow. And the cataloging/tagging functionality is fantastic. You really feel like your photos are organized. 




That's what I need to work on. I don't let the Lightroom catalogue run at all now. Because I hadn't bothered to suss it out properly back in LR4, I once just hit the automatic back-up and couldn't find anything afterwards!
 
I will get round to working it all out one day.

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Re: I think I'm going to go for the Adobe subscription thing.... 2015/05/04 13:43:21 (permalink)
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I keep telling myself  i will start using Lightroom, but years of photoshop use have me rooted in a workflow.




Dub, I came from it the other way round. I intensively learned Lightroom 4 long before I had even considered upgrading from PS Elements to Photoshop.
 
From my perspective, I've put together a nice suite of software and plug-ins that give me some great tools, and plenty of options, to process my photos from the RAW file coming off my camera's SD card right through to a web or print-friendly final image. If anything, so good is the software we now have at our fingertips, the difficult choices can be to decide which processes one actually applies to any given image.
 
How I start the process of creating an image largely depends on whether I'd been shooting HDR or not, and what quality the final image needs to be. I pretty much always shoot so each photo is saved in both RAW and JPEG format, so I'm covering all the bases as to what I'm going to end up using the images for.
 
If, for example, I'm shooting a set of images to use in an eBay listing, I'll bring the jpegs straight into Photoshop, then perform basic exposure corrections and crops before batch processing the set to resize down and sharpen them all.
 
For my own stuff, I'll either open the RAW files in Lightroom or Adobe Camera Raw inside Photoshop. With HDR, I have favoured Photomatix Pro to merge the original RAW files before exporting the final TIFF into Photoshop. I have dabbled in Nik Collection HDR Efex Pro and Photoshop's Merge To HDR Pro, although of the three, I always seem to come back to Photomatix. I have been experimenting lately with using Photomatix to create a 32bit HDR file and then opening this file in Adobe Camera RAW to actually create the final image. This can a great way to achieve more 'natural' looking results, but it is very time-consuming.
 
With Lightroom 6/CC however, I think Adobe has come up with a bit of a game changer for the HDR enthusiast. LR now allows you to import the RAW files as usual, but now the HDR processing can be done 'in house' so to speak without having to export each set to another program. Where LR really scores is that the HDR image it creates is not 'pixel-based' as they call it, but is actually still a RAW file, or to use Adobe's designation, a Digital Negative (DNG). The nearest equivalent to this method is the Photomatix 32bit into Photoshop workflow I mentioned above (but much, much quicker), but whereas that process creates a .hdr file that can only be opened in HDR software, the Lightroom DNG can be further processed in Lightroom (as you would any other imported RAW file) or exported and opened in any RAW processing software.
 
I'm now really trying to get proficient in what is for me a completely new HDR workflow, creating the HDR RAW in Lightroom before bringing it into Photoshop to edit with all the various layer and layer-masking techniques I'm learning.
 
It's funny, but the more I dig into digital photography and image manipulation, the more similarities and corollaries I see with digital audio processing. If anything, having never processed my own film, all I ever learned about photography many years ago stops being of much help once I've taken the shot. I see a RAW image file in much the same way as a guitar track that's just been recorded. With both disciplines, you start with a 'raw' beginning (literally in the case of photography) before using software and plugins to end up with a finished product, be that a printed photograph or a mixed and mastered piece of music.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I think the other reason I mostly stick with photoshop is that so many of my stills emd up in video or pqrt of some motion graphocs composite. Every now and then I get strictly photo gigs like one I did for yellowpages
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