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2013/10/22 12:00:12 (permalink)

I think Sonar killed my sound! - SOLVED, yay!

Hi,
 
I installed X2 and tried to have a look around (total newb - even since January - I had so many problems, I gave up).
 
But now I can't hear anything, and an error box says my humble midi keyboard (a toy to you guys!) was disconnected and I had no idea whether to click Yes or No as I did not understand what it meant! (see pic)
 
I also did not understand how pressing my keyboards keys made stuff "light up" in the tracks, yet it claimed to be disconnected!
 
Clicking neither Yes or No did any good, and then I lost ALL sound on everything! Couldn't watch YouTube vids, mp3s or anything. Then somehow the sound on other stuff came back but still not in Sonar.
 
Here are some screen shots I managed to grab.
 
This I think is supposed to be my keyboard connected successfully just after installation:

 
 
When I had no sound at all on my PC, but playing keyboard still made tracks light up:
 

 
 
my current settings:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Now that the sound has come back on other stuff, but not within Sonar:
 
 
 
 
Also I have an internal soundcard but don't know what type.
 
I don't know what other info to give. I did install 32 bit even though I have Windows 7 64 bit, as the readme stuff said some things were not supported in 64 bit. Also as a learner I thought I could always intall 64 bit when I upgrade.
 
Would having 32 bit on a 64 bit PC cause a problem?
 
Thanks a lot
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 12:29:34 (permalink)
    Get an audio sound card. something like MOTU, Saffire, Maudio, or RME. The lack of a sound card and the fact your in WDM driver mode doesn't hlep you. Onbaord sound chips do not have WDM driver. They do not have ASIO drivers. The drivers they have are MME and that is the worst driver mode you could use.
    Onboard soudn card sare not menat for use with professional audio programs
     
    Sonar didn't kill your sound, you did!
     
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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 12:34:25 (permalink)
    I think from you description the 'lighting up' part is that Sonar is recognizing the MIDI input, but MIDI is not audio.
     
    Regarding the 32 vs 64 bit issue. If your sound cards driver is 64 and Sonar is 32 then that would be a problem. Essentially you would like to have everything either 32 or 64. Also make sure the soundcards Driver Mode (prefences) is set correctly. In your screen shot you have WDM/KS as the mode...that may or may not be correct. If you have ASIO available as a pick try that instead.
     
    Regards,
     


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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 12:42:06 (permalink)
    CJaysMusic got some points there..

    if you still wanna use Sonar, you can download: http://www.asio4all.com/
    and try that and see if it helps, install it and you may have to reboot your pc !
    Select " ASIO " driver mode in Sonar.

    Also turn off :  ( share driver's with other programs ), it is not good to share the audio driver IMO.

    If you have an USB midi keyboard / Controller and it,  ( disconnect's ) you will get " pop up box "
    if it ask to re-route just select no, as long you are not gonna use another controller.
    you may have to restart sonar for it to " See " the Controller again.
    here's a post about USB Keyboard issue : http://forum.cakewalk.com/USB-Keyboard-Issue-Possible-Solution-m2912756.aspx
     

    Anyway an onboard soundcard is no option for music software..

    post edited by Soundblend - 2013/10/22 13:32:20
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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 12:55:59 (permalink)
    Under "Playback and Recording" change the driver to MME and see if that works, but as others have recommended, an onboard audio card is not going to work very well.

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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 13:07:31 (permalink)
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    I think from you description the 'lighting up' part is that Sonar is recognizing the MIDI input, but MIDI is not audio. Regarding the 32 vs 64 bit issue. If your sound cards driver is 64 and Sonar is 32 then that would be a problem. Essentially you would like to have everything either 32 or 64. Also make sure the soundcards Driver Mode (prefences) is set correctly. In your screen shot you have WDM/KS as the mode...that may or may not be correct. If you have ASIO available as a pick try that instead. Regards, 

    That's not true, you need a 64 bit driver if you're using a 64 bit operating system (i.e. 64 bit Windows) but Sonar can be either. 64 bit Sonar has more to do with using 64 bit plugins or large sample libraries.

    So to the OP, no that is not a problem. As for getting a "real" audio card, that is a good idea but I think it's really unfair to blame this issue on the absence of an RME card.

    Right now, your soundcard should be able to work in MME driver mode, but it will give you a lot of latency. You may be able to get better results by installing ASIO4All as soundblend suggested, and then switching to ASIO driver mode in Sonar.
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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 13:30:02 (permalink)
     
    mmorganRegarding the 32 vs 64 bit issue. If your sound cards driver is 64 and Sonar is 32 then that would be a problem. Essentially you would like to have everything either 32 or 64.  

     
    How do I do that please?
    Do I have to uninstall and start again?
     
    mmorganAlso make sure the soundcards Driver Mode (prefences) is set correctly. In your screen shot you have WDM/KS as the mode...that may or may not be correct. If you have ASIO available as a pick try that instead.
     Regards,



    I changed it to ASIO thanks. (but later changed it to MME 32 - neither worked)
     
    bobvilaUnder "Playback and Recording" change the driver to MME and see if that works

     
    I changed it to MME as it also said 32 bit, but that did not work either.
     
     
     
    Regarding the advice to use a different soundcard: I bought a proper one that I put in my old XP machine to use the music software that came with the keyboard. But I could not configure the soundcard properly, so I tried it with the internal soundcard and it worked ok. (This makes me think that even when people say it's better with a proper soundcard, it does not necessarily mean it is impossible without one).
     
    I do plan to get a good quality one, but I was hoping to be at least able to play around with Sonar first.
     
    Are you saying that even to play around with the basic version, I still have to have a proper soundcard?
     
    thanks
     
     
     
     
     

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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 13:33:43 (permalink)
    The sound card is probably your biggest bottleneck right now. You should be able to get it to work by messing with the drivers, but even a great pc will benefit from a audio interface.

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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 13:37:53 (permalink)
    soundcard buddy, please listen to the facts.
    sure you can use onboard soundcard, but at what quality ?
    I think you know what quality, the quality your getting right now.
     
    less than adequate.

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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 13:42:01 (permalink)
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    I think from you description the 'lighting up' part is that Sonar is recognizing the MIDI input, but MIDI is not audio. Regarding the 32 vs 64 bit issue. If your sound cards driver is 64 and Sonar is 32 then that would be a problem. Essentially you would like to have everything either 32 or 64. Also make sure the soundcards Driver Mode (prefences) is set correctly. In your screen shot you have WDM/KS as the mode...that may or may not be correct. If you have ASIO available as a pick try that instead. Regards, 

    That's not true, you need a 64 bit driver if you're using a 64 bit operating system (i.e. 64 bit Windows) but Sonar can be either. 64 bit Sonar has more to do with using 64 bit plugins or large sample libraries.

    So to the OP, no that is not a problem. As for getting a "real" audio card, that is a good idea but I think it's really unfair to blame this issue on the absence of an RME card.

    Right now, your soundcard should be able to work in MME driver mode, but it will give you a lot of latency. You may be able to get better results by installing ASIO4All as soundblend suggested, and then switching to ASIO driver mode in Sonar.



     
    OK thanks, I just spotted this post after I posted my last one.
     
     
    If ASIO is available in the settings, does that mean I already have ASIO4ALL?
     
     
     
    Soundblend if you still wanna use Sonar, you can download: http://www.asio4all.com/
    and try that and see if it helps, install it and you may have to reboot your pc !
    Select " ASIO " driver mode in Sonar.

    Also turn off : share driver's with other programs, it is not good to share the audio driver IMO.

    If you have an USB midi keyboard / Controller and it,  ( disconnect's ) you will get " pop up box "
    if it ask to re-route just select no, as long you are not gonna use another controller.
    you may have to restart sonar for it to " See " the Controller again.




    I will uncheck share drivers, (and download ASIO4ALL if I don't have it) and reboot.
     
    thanks
     

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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 13:49:23 (permalink)
    CoffeeTime
     
    Regarding the advice to use a different soundcard: I bought a proper one that I put in my old XP machine to use the music software that came with the keyboard. But I could not configure the soundcard properly, so I tried it with the internal soundcard and it worked ok. (This makes me think that even when people say it's better with a proper soundcard, it does not necessarily mean it is impossible without one).
     
    I do plan to get a good quality one, but I was hoping to be at least able to play around with Sonar first.
     
    Are you saying that even to play around with the basic version, I still have to have a proper soundcard?
     
    thanks


    It's not " impossible " without any proper soundcard , but do not expect any performance ...
    Just read my post above once more, and it will work..

    But it is absolutely recommended to use a good soundcard
    for performance and stability.


     
    post edited by Soundblend - 2013/10/22 14:00:07
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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 14:10:30 (permalink)
    Source  asio4all : 
    What started as a bedroom project in early 2003 - for the sole purpose to get ASIO support for the AC97 on my laptop - has become ASIO4ALL - the universal ASIO driver for WDM audio.
    Honestly, I did not expect this project to become as popular as it has become (but this popularity does not particularly dissapoint me either ;-)
    ASIO4ALL is a hardware independent low latency ASIO driver for WDM audio devices. It uses WDM Kernel-Streaming and sometimes even more sophisticated methods to achieve its objectives.
    In order to successfully run ASIO4ALL, you need:
    • A WDM-compatible operating system, such as Win98SE/ME/2k/XP/2003/XP64 or Windows Vista x86/x64.
    • A WDM-driver for your audio hardware. (Under Win2k/XP/Vista... this is implicit, not so under Win98SE/WinME.)
    • A couple minutes of your time and a little bit of luck.
     
    What ASIO4ALL will NOT do:
    • Replace your existing sound card drivers or mess with them in any way.
    • Install any kernel mode components that could potentially affect the stability of your system.
    • "Overclock", or otherwise operate your audio hardware in ways that could potentially be harmful and/or void your warranty, except, of course, in cases where the manufacturer of your hardware has specifically stated that the use of ASIO4ALL would void your warranty indeed.
      .............................................................................................................................................................


      So ASIO4ALL is an Emulation of ASIO driver ( fooling ) your onboard MME driver to act
      like an "ASIO driver" routine !
      it is the best way i can describe it...

      Good luck
      Jan


     
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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 15:19:11 (permalink)
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    Source  asio4all : 
    What started as a bedroom project in early 2003 - for the sole purpose to get ASIO support for the AC97 on my laptop - has become ASIO4ALL - the universal ASIO driver for WDM audio.
    Honestly, I did not expect this project to become as popular as it has become (but this popularity does not particularly dissapoint me either ;-)
    ASIO4ALL is a hardware independent low latency ASIO driver for WDM audio devices. It uses WDM Kernel-Streaming and sometimes even more sophisticated methods to achieve its objectives.
    In order to successfully run ASIO4ALL, you need:
    • A WDM-compatible operating system, such as Win98SE/ME/2k/XP/2003/XP64 or Windows Vista x86/x64.
    • A WDM-driver for your audio hardware. (Under Win2k/XP/Vista... this is implicit, not so under Win98SE/WinME.)
    • A couple minutes of your time and a little bit of luck.
     
    What ASIO4ALL will NOT do:
    • Replace your existing sound card drivers or mess with them in any way.
    • Install any kernel mode components that could potentially affect the stability of your system.
    • "Overclock", or otherwise operate your audio hardware in ways that could potentially be harmful and/or void your warranty, except, of course, in cases where the manufacturer of your hardware has specifically stated that the use of ASIO4ALL would void your warranty indeed.
      .............................................................................................................................................................


      So ASIO4ALL is an Emulation of ASIO driver ( fooling ) your onboard MME driver to act
      like an "ASIO driver" routine !
      it is the best way i can describe it...

      Good luck
      Jan


     




     
    thanks Soundblend
     
     
    I have installed ASIO4ALL and it is very pleased with itself because its box is sitting on top of everything  - even this forum page!
     
    I also don't know what the settings mean. Here is a screenshot:
     

     
    How do I set it up properly please?  It doesn't appear to have an OK button or a Save button. Only the Close button, but every time I close it and try to use Sonar the ASIO4ALL icon keeps blinking at me from the taskbar as if it wants me to do something.
     
    Also still no sound. But I am not getting any error messages now (touch wood).
     
    Could it be that I don't have the right window/View open within Sonar?
     
    thanks a lot
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 15:25:53 (permalink)
    Soundblend
     

    It's not " impossible " without any proper soundcard , but do not expect any performance ...
    Just read my post above once more, and it will work..

    But it is absolutely recommended to use a good soundcard
    for performance and stability.


    thanks Soundblend,  I read your previous post and am currently reading the other linked post, which I am struggling with a bit, as I have a headache and I don't know the terminology.

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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 16:22:53 (permalink)
    When you say you don't get sound, how do you mean that? Do you actually have any audio on any tracks?
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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 16:41:11 (permalink)
    To adjust the buffers in Asio4All , from 512

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    To 256 :

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    You just adjust the slider in Asio4All to 256, then hit the " apply "  button in
    Sonar, Audio - Driver settings,  and then you see that the buffer setting has changed.
    Close the window.

    Close the ASIO4All window.

    You may also try de-click the ( always resample button in ASIO4All )
    not sure about this option as i do not use Asio4All..
    I guess it's best to leave the samplerate at 44.1 khz.

    Search youtube for Sonar X2 basic to find any video how to use / set up Sonar.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-4DmJ0i7KM
     
    btw, when you say u hit the Midi-Controller and it light up in sonar on the track's
    that is probably the midi signal in that track. but that midi signal goes to no
    softsynth to make any sound...
    Watch basic video's how to set up and use Sonar 

    Other than this i can't help mutch more !

    Jan


    post edited by Soundblend - 2013/10/22 17:21:23
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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/22 18:00:48 (permalink)
    get a decent asio soundcard, end of.
     
    and no they don't need to cost the earth £100+
     
     
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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/23 03:54:56 (permalink)
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    When you say you don't get sound, how do you mean that? Do you actually have any audio on any tracks?

    no sound on any tracks. I imported a wav file from within Sonar, and also when I play my keyboard there is no sound.



    Soundblend

    To adjust the buffers in Asio4All , from 512

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    To 256 :

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    You just adjust the slider in Asio4All to 256, then hit the " apply "  button in
    Sonar, Audio - Driver settings,  and then you see that the buffer setting has changed.
    Close the window.

    Close the ASIO4All window.

    You may also try de-click the ( always resample button in ASIO4All )
    not sure about this option as i do not use Asio4All..
    I guess it's best to leave the samplerate at 44.1 khz.

    Search youtube for Sonar X2 basic to find any video how to use / set up Sonar.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-4DmJ0i7KM

     

    btw, when you say u hit the Midi-Controller and it light up in sonar on the track's
    that is probably the midi signal in that track. but that midi signal goes to no
    softsynth to make any sound...
    Watch basic video's how to set up and use Sonar


    Other than this i can't help mutch more !

    Jan

    Soundblend, thanks a lot - I have done what you said with ASIO4ALL:



    I will watch the video now, and a few others I have found.


    Fog

    get a decent asio soundcard, end of.

    and no they don't need to cost the earth £100+


     
    Fog, not sure if you mean soundcards DON'T need to cost over £100 or they DO!
     
    As the type of soundcard I buy is a different topic I have posted a different thread about it. Please see the other sound card thread.
     
    But for now, I am told it is a drivers or settings issue, and that although it is recommended that I buy a proper sound card it is not vital. And I really need to HEAR at least SOMETHING in Sonar before shelling out money. I still have not heard a single note yet!
     
     
    post edited by CoffeeTime - 2013/10/23 05:05:06

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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/23 05:01:48 (permalink)
    The term Sound Card goes back to the time when you had to put a card into a slot in the computers motherboard to be able to process MIDI and or Audio.

    Today motherboards mostly have a chipset that provides all the electronics needed to do that job. It's usually OK for Windows Media player and such and some very basic stuff but programs that are powerful like Sonar tend to really tax such "sound cards" and it can be quite fiddly to get them to work. The people who tell you that on board sound devices are rubbish usually have themselves been frustrated by the effort that it can take to make it all work. I can run Sonar on my laptop using the on board sound card for listening to but I would never expect to be able to edit the audio based on the a quality of the sound but it's ok for doing some scratch stuff with MIDI editing and such.
    Having an external sound card will make things easier but you don't seem to have a great. Deal of experience with this gear so expect a fairly steep learning curve.
    Today there are other ways to connect sound cards/audio devices to your computer, the most popular for ease of connection and installation is using USB2. Others have mentioned that and there is no need to spend thousands on a reasonable external audio device. If you have a budget in mind we can certainly recommend something for you. All the best.

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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/23 05:37:23 (permalink)
    Thanks mudgel, I have just moved that question to a new thread as I wanted to sort out the drivers and settings on this thread. But it's reassuring that you use an onboard sound card at least for listening to.
     
     
    Soundblend, I watched the video you linked to, but was not able to replicate what he did, as my settings are different:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-4DmJ0i7KM
     
    At 07:20  in the video he shows where to get access Ins and Outs - but mine look different to his. So I don't know how to change mine:
     
    From the YouTube Video:




    At 08:25 in the video he appears to be talking about tracks and says "that channel is set up to the output of the soundcard - makes sense",
    he doesn't say HOW to do that:




     As you can see, mine look nothing like his. If I knew what they were supposed to be called, I would understand better.
     
    Some other videos I have looked at are similar in that they assume you have your settings correct to start with, and the tutorioals are more to do with how to use the program, which I would love to find out - if I could just HEAR something!
     
     
    More current error/settings boxes below. I am stumped by this one. No matter what I click or select it does not seem to make a difference!
    How do I rectify this problem please?
     




     
    What should I have selected at the bottom here please?

     
     
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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/23 05:43:29 (permalink)
    CoffeeTime, your screenshot is showing that you don't have a playback timing master. That means you won't get playback (sound).
    In your "playback and recording" page, set the driver mode to ASIO.
    Next, in the "devices" page, make sure at least one device is selected for the input and output both, it should be called (ASIO4ALL *name of your soundcard input/output*). If some are greyed out that means they're either not connected or another device in the same list is already selected. You have to know which output you want to use, for example I don't know if your HDMI out is connected, that's usually a video port that could be going to your monitor or not be connected at all. You'll most likely want to use your regular mini jack output.
    Finally, in the "recording and playback" page, make sure you have a recording timing master and a playback timing master. These should correspond to the devices you selected before.
     
    This should get you sound if you open some default project and import a WAV file. The reason I asked about having audio in the project is because getting a softsynth to play sound from your keyboard is a whole different set of steps. You can't just start Sonar and play your keyboard and get sound. Perhaps you are already very aware of this, I just wanted to exclude the possibility of any errors there.
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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/23 07:05:24 (permalink)
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    CoffeeTime, your screenshot is showing that you don't have a playback timing master. That means you won't get playback (sound).
    In your "playback and recording" page, set the driver mode to ASIO.
    Next, in the "devices" page, make sure at least one device is selected for the input and output both, it should be called (ASIO4ALL *name of your soundcard input/output*). If some are greyed out that means they're either not connected or another device in the same list is already selected. You have to know which output you want to use, for example I don't know if your HDMI out is connected, that's usually a video port that could be going to your monitor or not be connected at all. You'll most likely want to use your regular mini jack output.
    Finally, in the "recording and playback" page, make sure you have a recording timing master and a playback timing master. These should correspond to the devices you selected before.
     
    This should get you sound if you open some default project and import a WAV file. The reason I asked about having audio in the project is because getting a softsynth to play sound from your keyboard is a whole different set of steps. You can't just start Sonar and play your keyboard and get sound. Perhaps you are already very aware of this, I just wanted to exclude the possibility of any errors there.


    Hi Sanderxpander,
     
    Thanks a lot. Which screenshot told you I do not have a Playback Timing Master please? Just to clarify: The drop down menu on the first shot (of the guy's video) in my last post is of the left hand button "None" - not the "Master" button, even though it looks like it could be attached to the "Master" button.
     
    And the dropdown menus on my own screen are of the same left hand button. Apologies if you knew that - I just wanted to check.
     
     
    By minijack do you mean the pink and green connectors for the headset and the single green connector for the speakers?
     
     
    I did what you suggested for settings and they appeared to all be set as you said. Sorry if I have misunderstood. Here are the current settings:
     
    No other available options:
     

     
    This gives the only available option:
     

     
     

     
     

     

     
    No, I wasn't aware. I thought I could play and hear music as soon as I installed!
    I was naive but I am learning, thank you.
     
    Are my settings correct at the moment? (I'm guessing not)
     
    thanks
     

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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/23 07:21:31 (permalink)
    In the 2nd picture:

    The first field shows Playback Timing Master says none. Click on that box and select whatever Asio4All driver is shown there. That should fix that issue. you get playback then.

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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/23 07:28:09 (permalink)
    The first screenshot where you reply to soundblend, in the audio "driver settings" page is showing no playback timing master. In the latest screenshot of the same screen, you again have no playback timing master, only a playback recording master. If you don't have a playback timing master, you can't have playback. Meaning no audio.
     
    Furthermore, your "devices" screen is showing the only output device you have is the HDMI out. This is the HDMI video port on the back of your motherboard probably. And my guess is it's either connected to your monitor or not at all. In the ASIO4all control panel, you should be able to expand the selected active device (HD Audio or something) and see all its inputs and outputs. Make sure the regular output is selected and active (probably just called HD output or rear output or something, but likely not HDMI). Set up Sonar to use that output instead.
     
    Forget midi for the time being by the way, everything there looks to be setup ok but we can't really test it effectively anyway until the audio is working.
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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/23 10:13:11 (permalink)
    OK, thanks both - I made the "None" now say ASIO4ALL...HDMI out 1:
     

     
     
    Now it appears something has crashed - I know, I know:  "Get a decent sound card!" - But I have to say; I do have LOTS of stuff open at the moment, as I'm trying to sort this out. Ordinarily I won't need any other app running.
     
    As well as the crash box in the following pic, the ASIO4ALL box has a red X with "HD Audio rear output" next to it.
     
    On mouse rollover, it says (but disappears when I try to grab the screenshot!):
    "INTERFACE
    Out .....Hz 24 bits
    Status: Unavailable!
     
    > In use by another application?
    > 'MS GS Wavetable Synth' enabled?"

     

     
    OK the only place I have seen "wavetable thingy is in MiDI devices window, so I am still stumped.

     
    Sanderxpander
    Furthermore, your "devices" screen is showing the only output device you have is the HDMI out. This is the HDMI video port on the back of your motherboard probably. And my guess is it's either connected to your monitor or not at all. In the ASIO4all control panel, you should be able to expand the selected active device (HD Audio or something) and see all its inputs and outputs. Make sure the regular output is selected and active (probably just called HD output or rear output or something, but likely not HDMI). Set up Sonar to use that output instead.
     

     
    I don't fully understand this paragraph I'm afraid because I don't know how to set it up to use that output instead.
     
    I can read stuff in the ASIO4ALL window but cannot change anything, except I can only click it ON or OFF (which appears to not make any difference - I get the same message either way (in bold above).
     
    Should I turn it on or off?
     
    Also, I have made lots of changes suggested to me here on this thread. Should I be Restarting my PC every time I make a change for the changes to take effect? That would take some time, as it is already taking me about 30 mins just to make each post(!) as the forum won't let me upload pics directly (I am also dyslexic and have to proofread many times).
     
    Where else can I enable the "HD Audio rear output" please?
     
    thanks a lot
     

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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/23 15:43:03 (permalink)
    Thanks to Sanderxpander, we seem to have identified the problem as being not having a playback timing master. I did everything suggested, but nothing has fixed it.
     
    I asked on another thread for help with buying a soundcard interface and have found one that looks ok.
     
    But am I right in saying the "HD Audio rear output" problem I have now will still be an issue once I get the new sound card/ interface?
     
    If so does anyone know how to fix this issue please?
     
    thanks a lot

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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/23 16:10:51 (permalink)
    You should also try disabling the HDMI output in ASIO4ALL.
    By having only one output soundcard,you make sure all the config is directed on this one..
    HDMI output is only interesting if you mix on your TV.
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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/23 16:30:59 (permalink)
    yes thanks, I have been told that - I just don't know how to disable it!
     
    Clicking the ASIO4ALL to check/uncheck - makes no difference.
     
    I have tried EVERY combination in the Prefences windows. Seriously I have been on this all day, and I am climbing the walls!!!
     
    Please tell me how to do it!
     
    thanks
     
     

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    Re: I think Sonar killed my sound! 2013/10/23 16:34:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CoffeeTime 2013/10/24 06:28:58
    You are trying to run a Racecar with a Hamster... it isn't going to be pretty. It isn't going to work.
     
    If you get a real sound card, your life becomes SO MUCH EASIER. I know because I did the same thing when I was starting out.

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    Sonar works just fine 2013/10/23 16:34:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CoffeeTime 2013/10/24 06:47:36
    The good people on the sonar forum are helping as usual. I would suggest changing the title to this thread. 

     
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