danbottomburp
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I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
So i want to get that effect used on the vocals in this track , Anyone got any ideas on what they did and how i can imitate it using the plugins included in Sonar platinum or maybe a free plugin somewhere . Many thanks Dan
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/03/29 10:28:10
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You're gonna have to wait until Waves release the Waters-Gilmourator Mk2 Dan. The Mk1 was rubbish :) Awesome vocals on that track, and they both have pretty unique voices so its gonna be a tough one. Taking a stab in the dark, a good mic (there is some serious air and space in those vox), some tight double tracking (vocal sync is your friend), the smoothest reverb you have (Lexicon Pantheon might do if you have it from Sonar 8.5, otherwise it's time to give Rematrix a spin) and your favourite delay is where I might start, but I suspect 90% of it is just those damned voices! Dudes were freakin' brilliant.
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/03/29 10:40:09
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2 completely different styles of vocals. Gilmour is smooth & creamy, Waters is rough & jagged. Good luck!!!
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/03/29 11:03:07
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Insert the Alan Parsons Engineer Plug-in and that will do it...Just kidding!
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/03/29 11:47:42
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/03/31 05:05:02
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tenfoot You're gonna have to wait until Waves release the Waters-Gilmourator Mk2 Dan. The Mk1 was rubbish :) Awesome vocals on that track, and they both have pretty unique voices so its gonna be a tough one. Taking a stab in the dark, a good mic (there is some serious air and space in those vox), some tight double tracking (vocal sync is your friend), the smoothest reverb you have (Lexicon Pantheon might do if you have it from Sonar 8.5, otherwise it's time to give Rematrix a spin) and your favourite delay is where I might start, but I suspect 90% of it is just those damned voices! Dudes were freakin' brilliant.
Thanks for the reply , Very helpful , Unlike the other wannabe comedians who literally offer nothing constructive to my question. Should be treated as spam or they should simply keep their comedy routines for family member who may laugh out of pity . Dan
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/03/31 05:40:41
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Those two posts that seem worthless may do you a favor in that they bumped your thread. That could mean more people notice it. Which means you may get more answers. You are right in that those posts did nothing to answer your question. However one can choose to see them in a good light and see the usefulness of them or become irritated and upset. Its up to you.
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/03/31 07:13:09
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☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2016/03/31 07:32:04
What I meant was that the engineer in the mix has a lot to do with the sound...Yes, it was toungue in cheek, but not entirely untrue...
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/03/31 07:18:13
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patm300e What I meant was that the engineer in the mix has a lot to do with the sound...Yes, it was toungue in cheek, but not entirely untrue...
That too. I didn't say that but I saw the connection.
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/03/31 07:55:22
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I think Water's verse vocals have a short slap-back delay which gives a little sibilance, and a longer delay flown in as and when it's needed (''stand up..stand up''..etc). Gilmour's chorus vocals sound tightly double (or even triple tracked with a harmony) to me, but centred, not panned. Plus a small plate reverb on both?
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/03/31 15:03:40
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I sometimes think I hear quite a bit of compression on Gilmour, but that may just be the nature of his silky voice. Any thoughts on that? The real answer of course is to win the genetic lottery.
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/04/01 05:07:57
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John Those two posts that seem worthless may do you a favor in that they bumped your thread. That could mean more people notice it. Which means you may get more answers. You are right in that those posts did nothing to answer your question. However one can choose to see them in a good light and see the usefulness of them or become irritated and upset. Its up to you.
Might be a good idea to go and read the "Code of Conduct" post . It is pretty clear you do not know the rules of the forum so maybe go and refresh yourself with the guidelines. Particularly "Spamming and Flooding" If i wanted comedy , These forums would be the last place i would come . Dan
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/04/01 07:40:50
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You do realize that you have probably wasted more time complaining about my post (and it is my post you take the most issue with) than you would have by just scrolling over it. But I will delete it since it offends you so much. Sorry.
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/04/01 07:45:53
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dwardzala You do realize that you have probably wasted more time complaining about my post (and it is my post you take the most issue with) than you would have by just scrolling over it. But I will delete it since it offends you so much. Sorry.
If you cannot offer anything constructive and helpful then maybe do not post anything at all ,That way you will save yourself the effort of having to delete your posts because they are neither helpful nor constructive.
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/04/01 08:35:43
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Hey Dan, I know Swansea aren't having the best of season but you seriously need to lighten up a bit mate.
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/04/01 08:37:28
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lol , That is very true , But we,ll have all next season to put it right :)
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/04/01 09:19:05
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☄ Helpfulby jude77 2016/04/01 13:25:17
SO... if you're looking for an answer.... this might not be the answer but it should get you pointed in the right direction. There's nothing magical in that mix. It's simply good engineering and excellent recording. Start with good singer. Layer the tracks.... record several lead vocals... record the harmony parts and be sure to get several tracks there as well.
Be sure the vocals are "phrase perfect". In other words, all words have to start and stop together, nothing needs to be out of sync. Use the lead vocal as your guide. You can either punch in to fix the mistakes or use something like Melodyne. Once everything is phrase perfect, next step is to get them pitch perfect for the part. Do NOT clone. Record everything new. This stage of the process is where you will likely spend the most time. It has to be perfect right down to the inflection imparted to the way you pronounce or accent a word. You are working in a world of DETAILS. So pay attention to the little stuff. As far as mixing it.... this is a starting point guideline to get you rolling. Your individual needs may vary over a wide range from this. Put the lead up the center..... balance the other leads equally opposite and really low. You don't want to be able to hear them necessarily unless the vocals are soloed. All they are doing is adding a subtle fullness to the vocal track. Do the same thing with the harmony parts... But the harmony needs to be up a bit so it is slightly audible to add that harmony feel to the vocal. And THAT is for ONE VOICE. Each different voice in the project will require the same general treatment. With 2 singers, you will likely have 10 to 12 tracks or more just for the 2 vocals.....assuming you get a good "one shot take" on each part. EQ, compression and reverb.... these are added to taste. A little compression to even things out, the EQ to bring out the sparkle, and reverb for the feel you're going for. On the Floyd song, nothing sounded excessive there. Perhaps a bit heavy on the verb but that's par for the course with PF.
It might take you several tries to get this right.... because it's something that takes time to do it right. You can always zero everything and redo it if it doesn't sound good the first or second time. Lots of pop stars and even country... or should I say, especially country stars use this techniques in just about all of their songs. I've heard that some engineers record up to one hundred vocal lead takes and piece the track you hear on the radio, together, from those tracks.... I'm good with 5 tracks for the vocals.
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/04/03 03:50:43
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I'd have to have a listen, because it's been a while since I've heard the track. If you had the cash, some console emulator plugs would be a good start. I'm not sure what console they were using on this recording, by this stage they'd moved into Britannia Road Studios, so it might be an SSL, or they might have been able to get a custom REDD console, which they used up to Wish You Were Here, Abbey Road was the studio. A lexicon verb would be a good start, as it was the goto verb back in the day. http://www.britanniarowstudios.co.uk/ They are using a vintage Neve, at the moment...maybe that is a clue. Ok, You've made me go back to the track, Roger's Vocal has a tape delay on it...that's a definite. I use Guitar Rig 4 for my tape delays. So my guess would be, a console emulator, lexicon verb, which up until a few years ago Sonar had...I still use mine, and Tape Delay. This would be my guess as to emulate the vocal sound. Ben
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/04/05 13:11:53
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Herb hit it, Gilmour double-tracked all or most of his Lead Vocals. There are a number "The Making of" Pink Floyd videos out there that discuss some of their recording techniques, including Gilmour's vocals. Gilmour apparently had an uncanny ability to mirror his double tracked vocals performances in pitch and timing. Regards
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/04/05 18:31:00
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This is where vocal sync could help you - it can align double track vocals.
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Re: I want to emulate the vocals from Floyd`s Comfortably numb
2016/04/26 12:12:32
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Watch Live at Pompeii. They show clips of Floyd tracking vox for Dark Side of the Moon and in particular several of Gilmour and Wright doing their double-tracking brilliance. That's their biggest secret weapon, as Gilmour and Wright had amazing voices that double-tracked together like magic. I don't know if they're both singing on Comfortably Numb or it's just Gilmour double-tracking...but the answer to this question has been provided above several times: double-track, sweeten with verb. The rest is just in the quality of the voices.
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