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2014/12/31 10:36:53 (permalink)

I was thinking of getting X3 producer...

...but it looks like my laptop won't handle it:
2.30 gigahertz Intel Core i7-3610QM, 16 gigs RAM
 
OTOH, I read here http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-3610QM-Notebook-Processor.72681.0.htm this:
The Intel Core i7-3610QM is a fast quad-core processor for laptops based on the Ivy Bridge architecture. Due to Hyperthreading, the four cores can handle up to eight threads in parallel leading to better utilization of the CPU. Each core offers a base speed of 2.3 GHz but can dynamically increase clock rates with Turbo Boost up to 3.1 GHz (for 4 active cores), 3.2 GHz (for 2 active cores) and 3.3 GHz (for 1 active core).
 
Any comments? I'll have to decide soon.
 
TIA-
 
-Susan

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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2014/12/31 10:51:45 (permalink)
    That is fine for X3 as long as it is running Win7 or newer.
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2014/12/31 11:00:39 (permalink)
    Hi scook-
     
    I wasn't sure, since the specs say Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.67 GHz. I have a dual boot Win7/Win8.1 x64 setup.
     
    Thanks very much!
     
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2014/12/31 11:12:06 (permalink)
    Core 2 Duo is an older processor which predates the i7. The clock speed is not an issue.
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2014/12/31 11:18:16 (permalink)
    Excellent, thanks!
     
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2014/12/31 11:42:43 (permalink)
    Good to see you back in the old neighborhood, Susan. I thought you'd gone over to Reaperland?
     
    And yes, your laptop should handle X3 no problem.


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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2014/12/31 13:10:25 (permalink)
    Very good to see Susan back. 

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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/01 15:03:59 (permalink)
    Nice to see you're round Susan. Welcome back.

    I've got a laptop with an i7. 720 cpu with only 4 gig ram (4 gig recently removed) and it runs sonar X3e Producer no problem even x64.

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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/01 19:28:35 (permalink)
    try a demo first,make sure it works for you,my computer is high spec and it doesn't but some have low spec's and its fine so try before you buy
     
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/01 23:27:51 (permalink)
    Hi Susan
     
    Glad to see you post again. I have been away myself for a while
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/02 01:00:08 (permalink)
    FWIW, I've been successfully running X3 on an older Q9300 2.5 GHz machine w/ 8GB RAM, so I'd imagine a 2.3GHz i7 should be fine.   Although, as mentioned above the demo should give you a good idea how it will perform, not to mention how X3 itself suits your workflow these days.     Oh.... and nice to see you around.  
     

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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/02 02:32:54 (permalink)
    That laptop should be great for handling Sonar.
     
    You will want to remove a bunch of the bloat ware and free trial junk they load on those when you buy them, and don't forget to get some sort of antivirus software.  (I use and like Avast's free version - just read up on which features you end up installing, and it likes to ask you to upgrade to its paid versions, but registering with them is good for a year of free - then you register again to keep running the free version).
     
    Also, MANY laptop Wi-Fi adapters/drivers spike something called DPC latency, and this badly affects applications that do streaming audio, like Sonar.  Fortunately, this is easily fixed.
     
    Just prior to launching a session of Sonar, either turn off the Wi-Fi adapter (if there is a switch or function key), or go into Windows Device Manager and 'Disable' it.  (not delete).  Disabling it, or turning it off, will stop it from messing with Sonar, and after you finish your Sonar session, you simply turn the Wi-Fi adapter back on or go back into Windows Device Manager and enable it - to get the internet back and working.
     
    The above looks scarier than it is - it is a simple matter to turn-off/disable and turn-on/enable, and lots and lots of folks with laptops do it all the time with no problems caused by doing so.
     
    Lastly, you will want to go in and configure your Power Management options to: never let your laptop sleep or hibernate, set the minimum processor state to 100%, and turn OFF the Windows USB Selective Suspend.  (some of that will be in the Power Management Advanced Options.
     
    Post here with any questions on any of the configuration or installation stuff, and lots of folks here will gladly and quickly help with any aspect of it.
     
    Sonar X3e Producer Edition is a GREAT release, and quite well liked.
     
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/04 12:54:47 (permalink)
    Hi All-
     
    Thanks for the warm welcomes back ! I went ahead and purchased the X3 upgrade just before the sale ended. 
     
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/04 13:55:54 (permalink)
    Hi, Susan.  Nice to see you back.  Are you going to be using X3 seriously or just keeping up with the times?  How's the other side treating you?  I hope to see you around more often and I do hope you will be eligible for a free copy of SONAR X(4?) went it hits the streets.  We've been anticipating the next release and we are well beyond the annual announcement, so no one knows if or when it will be available.  Hopefully soon!
     
    Oh, Happy New Year!
     
    Take care,
     
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/04 20:33:05 (permalink)
    Hi Living Room Rocker-
    Probably more just trying to keep semi-current!
    I've only been test driving X3 for a couple of hours, but it's already gone "Not Responding" three times:
    1- When I tried to save a track template. That auto-generated a problem report. I like that idea.
    2- When I tried to change the end loop point in the PRV by dragging it. No idea why that would cause a hang.
    3- When I switched to Chrome and browsed this forum. I went back to X3 and it was "Not Responding."
    I looked at the Feedback Loop>Problem Reports and there's only one page. Is that still where I should report problems such as these that don't auto-generate a report?
     
    I don't want to sound negative, since I like a lot about X3 so far, but I just need to get my bearings again re where to post stuff.
     
    Two other things I've noticed so far:
    1- The Browser auto preview through the selected synth doesn't work correctly (or at least as expected.) I found this thread about it: http://forum.cakewalk.com...the-clip-m3076963.aspx
    2- Using a drum map breaks the synth to track connection in the synth view. I was trying to arrow up and down through synths in the rack and they all worked except for Addictive Drums. If I changed the MIDI output straight to AD instead of using the drum map it worked as expected.
     
    The Performance monitor indicates no problems. I'm running X3 x64 on Windows 8.1 x64.
     
    Anyway, still very early on and I love the look and feel for the most part.
     
    Thanks-
     
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/04 20:41:10 (permalink)
    Make sure to download and run the X3e update http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013361/SONAR-X3e-Update. If this pc has another version of SONAR installed, run a VST reset and rescan http://www.cakewalk.com/S...ommended-for-Upgraders
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/05 14:14:08 (permalink)
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    Make sure to download and run the X3e update http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013361/SONAR-X3e-Update. If this pc has another version of SONAR installed, run a VST reset and rescan http://www.cakewalk.com/S...ommended-for-Upgraders


    Hi scook-
     
    I did the X3e update pretty much right away (though it might have been after the hang trying to save a track template.)  I'll do the reset/rescan next chance, since I did have the X3 trial version installed on this PC at one point.
     
    Thanks-
     
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/05 14:25:11 (permalink)
    I doubt the reset/rescan will make a difference if the only other version was the X3 trial but it can't hurt. VST Inventories made with versions older than X3 are missing variables new to X3, this was the main reason for the recommended reset/rescan.
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/08 10:34:17 (permalink)
    Well, I have to say this has been a very frustrating experience. There are lots of things I like about X3 and part of me wanted to be able to adopt SONAR as my primary DAW again, but I've just had too many problems in the short time I've been using it to warrant switching back. None of it has to do with the workflow, which I'm sure I could get used to; it's the instability that bothers me. I've had at least five (count 'em, five!) hangs in the short time I've been using it.
     
    1- Save track template: SONAR auto-generated a problem report for that one, but none since.
    2- PRV: As I mentioned before, SONAR went nonresponsive when I tried to drag the end loop point.
    3- Auditioning patterns in Addictive Drums: When I switched patterns, there was a motorboating (rapid clicking) noise and SONAR went nonresponsive.
    4- Step Sequencer: I added one note, then clicked on another to add it and SONAR went nonreponsive. If it matters, I already had one SS clip in the same track when I tried to create a new one.
    5- Switching to Chrome and back: Bang, hang.
     
    I'll keep messing around with it and I'm perfectly willing to say the problem is with my system (although I'm not having problems otherwise <cough>) but it's just not working great for me. I've noted a couple other things above that are annoying (to me) but no big deal.
     
    For anyone curious:
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    Thanks-
     
    -Susan

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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/08 15:44:47 (permalink)
    Hello Susan,
     
    Well, this is certainly depressing. I haven't been on the Sonar forums in YEARS, because I don't use Sonar beyond version 8.5. I've kept current with the upgrades all the way up through X3. I just don't use them. It would appear that the instability issues that have kept me from using the X-series are still in existence. Since I run a complex environment - Creamware/SonicCore SCOPE as well as Sonar 8.5 - my two primary DAW requirements are sound and stability. In that order. I have read many instances of people saying X3e is as stable as 8.5. I have also read many instances of people saying there are still too many stability problems. DAMN! I had high hopes for X3e. I am, however, looking for a DAW with native VST support. I guess I'll give Reaper a shot.

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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/08 15:49:33 (permalink)
    By the way, are you still playing oboe (or was it cor anglais)?

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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/08 18:42:59 (permalink)
    Too bad. Maybe X4? :)

    Hey earwax, why don't you give Sonar X3 a go in conjunction with Reaper?
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/08 19:28:30 (permalink)
    Susan G
    Well, I have to say this has been a very frustrating experience. There are lots of things I like about X3 and part of me wanted to be able to adopt SONAR as my primary DAW again, but I've just had too many problems in the short time I've been using it to warrant switching back. None of it has to do with the workflow, which I'm sure I could get used to; it's the instability that bothers me. I've had at least five (count 'em, five!) hangs in the short time I've been using it.
     
    1- Save track template: SONAR auto-generated a problem report for that one, but none since.
    2- PRV: As I mentioned before, SONAR went nonresponsive when I tried to drag the end loop point.
    3- Auditioning patterns in Addictive Drums: When I switched patterns, there was a motorboating (rapid clicking) noise and SONAR went nonresponsive.
    4- Step Sequencer: I added one note, then clicked on another to add it and SONAR went nonreponsive. If it matters, I already had one SS clip in the same track when I tried to create a new one.
    5- Switching to Chrome and back: Bang, hang.
     
    I'll keep messing around with it and I'm perfectly willing to say the problem is with my system (although I'm not having problems otherwise <cough>) but it's just not working great for me. I've noted a couple other things above that are annoying (to me) but no big deal.
     
    For anyone curious:
    2.30 gigahertz Intel Core i7-3610QM, 16 gigs RAM
    Windows 8.1 x64; Producer X3e x64
    Komplete Audio 6
     
    Thanks-
     
    -Susan


    Hi Susan,  If you are using on board audio you might try installing and using Asioa4All to enable Sonar X3 to use Asio audio drivers if you haven't already.   I use Asio4All drivers for Sonar X3 on my laptop with no problems.
     
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/09 00:03:05 (permalink)
    MFanning
     
    Hi Susan,  If you are using on board audio you might try installing and using Asioa4All to enable Sonar X3 to use Asio audio drivers if you haven't already.   I use Asio4All drivers for Sonar X3 on my laptop with no problems.
     

    Hi MFanning-
     
    I don't use the onboard audio at all. I'm using the Komplete Audio 6 with the latest ASIO drivers.
     
    Thanks-
     
    -Susan
     

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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/09 00:32:49 (permalink)
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    Too bad. Maybe X4? :)

    Hey earwax, why don't you give Sonar X3 a go in conjunction with Reaper?

    Well, I'll definitely see how Reaper works with Sonar 8.5.3. I may try X3e with Reaper at a later time. Thanks for the tip. I noticed in another Reaper thread that someone suggested using Reaper in conjunction with ReaRoute. I'll have to give it a shot. 

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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/09 00:39:28 (permalink)
    Hi Earwax- [sorry for the length!]
     
    I didn't upgrade after 8.5 because I didn't have the hardware to handle it. The laptop I have now I inherited from my Dad and it sounded like it could handle X3.
     
    I still have no reason to think it can't, since I haven't done anything at all to push it. I've literally just been playing around with some features to get myself accustomed to the workflow and reacquaint or acquaint myself with some of the views, navigation techniques, et cetera.  I've done no audio recording at all, for example. All of the hangs I've gotten have been with tiny "That sounds interesting. I'll just try this" projects.
     
    I'm running a clean Windows 8.1 install with none of the bells and whistles that came installed on the laptop.
     
    I've been a Cakewalk user since the early DOS days and I was hoping to get back to it with X3e and my current setup, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. You shouldn't take my experience as any indication of what yours might be, however, since as you say, there are plenty of users who aren't running into any issues with X3.
     
    It would be different if the hangs I'm experiencing were with projects with tons of effects and where I knew I was really pushing it, but they come up all the time doing the simplest things.
     
    For example, tonight, going through the Browser tutorial in the Help file, I got to step 4: Click the Media button, point to Synth Preview Output and select Cakewalk TTS-1 1 on the submenu. Selected Bangin 10.mid and got a hang. That's just not right ;)!
     
    As I said before, I'm sure I'll keep playing with it because I really like a lot about X3, but for whatever reason,  it's extremely fragile on my system. I've never had a hang or anything like a "motor boating" sound with my current primary DAW, so I'm not ready to chalk it up to inadequate hardware, settings, etc.
     
    Thanks-
     
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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/09 10:00:05 (permalink)
    Susan, have you done all the things to optimize laptop performance, such as turning off power management, wifi, etc?  There are several threads dedicated to getting Sonar to run flawlessly on a laptop.  I think that you can get there too.

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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/09 10:24:53 (permalink)
    Hi Susan, reading this I would make a guess that this is totally a hardware issue and nothing to do with Sonar.
     
    I too stayed with 8.5 until I got a good deal on X3 studio. I've now run X3 studio on a number of different computers, first was only a dual core, 4 Gigs RAM and I never have had Sonar freeze or die. 
    A few audio engine drop outs that were expected with an under powered machine and V vocal stuff.
     
    Laptops are often the most finicky computers to use for DAW'S. There is a lot of set up needed compared to a modern desktop. Make sure and run Latency Mon.
      http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon
     
     It could also be the drivers for that interface and windows 8.1 as there's another thread with same set up having  issues. The NI website doesn't say much about the drivers and if they are 32 or 64 bit. 
     
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Sonar-X1-Studio-export-MIDIaudio-troubles-m3141900.aspx
     
     

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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/09 12:32:19 (permalink)
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    Hi Susan, reading this I would make a guess that this is totally a hardware issue and nothing to do with Sonar.

     
    So would I. All the problems you mentioned are the kind of problems associated with some kind of conflict. 
     
    I just did several live recordings on SONAR at CES, with a brand new, high-power laptop running 8.1 and thoughtfully provided by a manufacturer at the show. During a run-through it was a disaster. Couldn't record for more than a few minutes without dropouts, occasional freezes, etc. Turning off wi-fi, changing the power plan, and investigating all the "services" and drivers (three for USB camera alone!) Windows put in there and disabling them, especially the "HD Audio" driver that has nothing to do with ASIO, solved those problems.
     
    Whether this kind of tweaking should be a necessary part of the customer experience is a separate issue altogether...but Windows is what it is. With SONAR not being cross-platform and tied deeply into Windows, when Windows sneezes, SONAR catches a cold.
     

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    Re: I was thinking of getting X3 producer... 2015/01/09 13:40:55 (permalink)
    Yah, welcome back to SONAR! You also get a complimentary admission to "Configuration Purgatory"...not as nice of a place. 
     
    I'd pop open the Task Manager and see what's running in there. Laptops in particular, especially if it's still running with whatever it came installed with, tend to turn on gobs and gobs of things that don't need to be there. 
     
    You may want to also pop open msconfig and see what's ticked off for startup. 

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