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2013/09/23 22:14:32 (permalink)

I will (probably) not purchase X3

I've said before and I'll say again...TASCAM will not receive another dollar of mine for software!
 
I'll switch DAWs first or just continue to use what I have...PRE-TASCAM software.
post edited by Beagle - 2013/09/24 15:27:08

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/23 22:20:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chefmike8888 2013/09/24 10:54:28
*Pfft...*  Hollow threat.  They'll just wrap it up in becan and you'll completely forget about the crud in the middle.

 
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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 01:34:50 (permalink)
What did Tascam do to you?  

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 06:59:48 (permalink)
Jan - Gigastudio.  I invested a lot of money in Gigastudio and Tascam ran it in the ground.  I had GS3 and a lot of 3rd party libraries.  I never did buy GS4 when it came out, but was planning to eventually.  GS4 was only on the shelves a couple of months when Tascam announced it was a dead product.
 
So in order to update my library, I had to invest in Komplete and port as much of GS over to Komplete as I could.  not everything transferred and some of the stuff that did still wasn't correct (i.e. keyswitching on a lot of instruments didn't work any more).
 
I could have just continued to use GS as is, but it had problems which needed to be fixed anyway, which I had hoped that GS4 would have solved.  part of the problem, however, was that the key gen needed to install it was flakey.  it required an answer / call to the server for installation and I was afraid that the support for that would eventually go away.
 
TASCAM had "acquired" GS from another company, can't remember the name right now.  they got rid of that company's management and most of the programmers then they designed GS2 & 3 themselves.  running the company into the ground by the time GS4 was released.
 
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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 08:52:53 (permalink)
Hmm, So Tascam products ship with Cubase meaning Tascam has a relationship with Stienberg, and Yamaha. Roland and Cakewalks close competition one might say. 
So here's a thought, Buy your competition and kill it dead. 
So you see! you won't loose much of a market share. You just said yourself you'd switch to Cubase. 
I have Cubase LE`that came with my Tascam and I like it a lot. I don't use it only because it's the limited version and I have the full featured Sonar version. I guess they just made up my mind for me what my future upgrade path will be.
 
Glad to hear your doing lots of playing, I am too these days. Managed a good live recording of us on my TASCAM DR 40 ,, :)   Just had to say it .. 

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 09:55:06 (permalink)
Cactus Music
 
Glad to hear your doing lots of playing, I am too these days. Managed a good live recording of us on my TASCAM DR 40 ,, :)   Just had to say it .. 





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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 09:55:13 (permalink)
I will not eat green eggs and ham, either...

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 09:59:43 (permalink)
What if you were joined by a fox?  What if they were served in a box?
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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 10:51:45 (permalink)
What if it were just a hoax?

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 10:52:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chefmike8888 2013/09/24 10:55:28
I do not like green eggs and ham.  I do not like them TASC-I-Am!
 
 
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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 10:57:24 (permalink)
Lol Beag.
Clever little puppy you are.
Gonna have to git ya some 'Beggin' Strips'.
 
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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 11:11:00 (permalink)
Beagle,
 
Technically X3 is still a Pre-Tascam product since the deal is not final and you can rest assured Gibson/Tascam had zero to do with X3's development.
 
FWIW, I may not buy into X3 right away unless there are some exceptional reasons to do so.
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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 11:11:14 (permalink)
It's not like Tascam owns Gibson.  It's the other way around Gibson owns 33% of Teac.  It will all depend on Gibson's plans for Cakewalk.  
 
For what it's worth, I won't buy any software that has a dongle.  So, it they change that--they'll lose me.  
 
I'm sure we'll all get Les Pauls thanks to this deal.  LOL

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 11:16:09 (permalink)
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Beagle,
 
Technically X3 is still a Pre-Tascam product since the deal is not final and you can rest assured Gibson/Tascam had zero to do with X3's development.
 
FWIW, I may not buy into X3 right away unless there are some exceptional reasons to do so.


We full well know you have your CC out of the wallet waiting to pull the trigger....
you know it too...
 
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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 11:16:56 (permalink)
so, I guess Roland just read a book on flipping Real Estate and then ... ?

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 11:17:06 (permalink)
Beagle, 
 
When Gibson sells CW to RonCo will you come back?
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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 11:45:55 (permalink)
Old55It will all depend on Gibson's plans for Cakewalk.  For what it's worth, I won't buy any software that has a dongle.  So, it they change that--they'll lose me. 



Should all this actually happen it will be quite interesting to see what Gibson's plans truly are.
I will also add (for what little it's worth) that if any dongle requirement becomes the their new approach X2 will be the last of my dollars going to Cakewalk.
I (along with many here) have been with Cakewalk since '93 or so and love the software/company but the dongle would certainly end the loyalty for me.
I'd guess X2 will suffice until I go below the dirt anyway. :)
 
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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 11:56:02 (permalink)
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Beagle,
 
Technically X3 is still a Pre-Tascam product since the deal is not final and you can rest assured Gibson/Tascam had zero to do with X3's development.
 
FWIW, I may not buy into X3 right away unless there are some exceptional reasons to do so.


yes, but it's already eminent that Tascam WILL take over after X3 and since anything following X3 WILL be a Tascam product I'm not sure it makes sense to spend the money on X3 when instead I might change DAW paths.
and FWIW, I had said the same thing earlier also, so that plays into my decision as well.  X3 would need to have some really good improvements in order for me to spend the money on it anyway.  that didn't have anything to do with Tascam, but Tascam taking over is only going to drive the nail further in the coffin.

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 11:57:06 (permalink)
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LOL Daryk!
 
I did, I literally laughed out loud!  does anybody really do that any more or do they just type that they do???

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 11:58:08 (permalink)
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Beagle, 
 
When Gibson sells CW to RonCo will you come back?


Now THAT'S a company I can invest in!
Do they have BECAN slicers?  can they make JULIEN fries with becan???

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 12:41:48 (permalink)
But wait!  There's more!  If you order now, we'll throw in a fish scaler, a 25 piece knife set, new kitchen cabinets, and improved notation!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
(I'm sorry, your Honor.  I did not mean to incite a riot by mentioning "notation".)
 
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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 12:55:17 (permalink)
I'll do a dongle,I'll do a plug ... , even a bug. Software is software, that's what they say, bugs and dongles won't go away.As long as music is still being made I'll probably be one to upgrade.A discounted Gibson and a fair price might give me GAS and make me play nice. You see...I'm not hard to please if you treat me all right, X2 is great and I like it a lot. The pro channel rocks and music is made what else matters at the end of the day?

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 12:56:41 (permalink)
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what else matters at the end of the day?

Uhhhhh...................
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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 12:57:32 (permalink)
Haven't you read? Fender bought becan....

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 13:01:58 (permalink)
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Haven't you read? Fender bought becan....


.....and now they're giving Gibson a run for their money with their new product......Laxcam.

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 13:04:08 (permalink)
It sounds fast.

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 13:13:20 (permalink)
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Jan - Gigastudio.  I invested a lot of money in Gigastudio and Tascam ran it in the ground.  I had GS3 and a lot of 3rd party libraries.  I never did buy GS4 when it came out, but was planning to eventually.  GS4 was only on the shelves a couple of months when Tascam announced it was a dead product.
 
So in order to update my library, I had to invest in Komplete and port as much of GS over to Komplete as I could.  not everything transferred and some of the stuff that did still wasn't correct (i.e. keyswitching on a lot of instruments didn't work any more).
 
I could have just continued to use GS as is, but it had problems which needed to be fixed anyway, which I had hoped that GS4 would have solved.  part of the problem, however, was that the key gen needed to install it was flakey.  it required an answer / call to the server for installation and I was afraid that the support for that would eventually go away.
 
TASCAM had "acquired" GS from another company, can't remember the name right now.  they got rid of that company's management and most of the programmers then they designed GS2 & 3 themselves.  running the company into the ground by the time GS4 was released.
 
writing on the wall...




GS was a disaster waiting to happen when Tascam bought it and then they mishandled it badly.
 
All of the crazy, low level stuff that were necessary to make GS work at all became completely unnecessary with faster computers, which essentially meant that a total rewrite was necessary.
 
What Tascam missed was that when competition arrived what people really cared about were the sample libraries. NI actively recruited content partners and included a much larger real sample library with Kontakt while GS always included mostly demo content with everything at unreasonable prices. 
 
The magic of GS was that it worked at all in the days of Pentium3 computers running Win98. The GS name was all Tascam really had once competition arrived and a name won't get you far in a rapidly changing competitive SW environment. Even though Tascam completely booted it, it would have been hard for GS to survive all of the new competition they faced under any circumstances.
 
 
But I don't get the impression that Tascam will be running Cakewalk anyway.
 
And it's not clear what Gibson intends. It could be another GS-style disaster or another lackluster version of Roland/CW or Sony/SonicFoundry. Or it could be Apple/emagic too - where Apple really wanted something in Logic (but only the Mac version of course), which they both cannibalized (Garageband) but also actively continued to support and develop (while dropping everything else emagic did).
 
The big question is whether Gibson wants to continue CW as it is, focus on only one piece and slowly or rapidly kill everything else, or cannibalize things in some way, maybe the Les Paul Sonar - the first guitar with a built in DAW (or DAW integration) - I wouldn't put this kind of thing past Gibson, given their largely unsuccessful attempts to create high tech guitars like the Darkfire: 
 
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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 15:23:36 (permalink)
I cannot argue your points Drew, but it still doesn't change the fact that they DID give up on it and it WAS mismanaged in a big way.  Maybe they would have had to rewrite from scratch because the GSIF and other driver relationships weren't necessary with faster computers, but why didn't they?  they were charging enough money for even updates that they could have rewritten as much as they needed to in order to make it work.
 
your points are valid but they still don't relieve the fact that Tascam killed GS and bottom line meant that I had to pay more for the same product (GS3 won't work in win7, so if I wanted to keep my libraries, then I had to port over to Kontakt).
 
plus, I still contend that Tascam can't even write solid hardware drivers.  the early hardware drivers for the Tascam usb soundcards were so crappy that almost no one could get them to work.  Yes, they've improved since then, but they still haven't hit a home run with the drivers, either.  there are still new users of the new tascam soundcards who have returned the product because the drivers wouldn't work.
 
Seth reiterated that this is currently a distribution with a "name" only at this time in another thread.  however, for people like me who were burned by Tascam this doesn't improve the "branding" at all, it tarnishes it.

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Re: I will not purchase X3 2013/09/24 15:26:23 (permalink)
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Haven't you read? Fender bought becan....


NOOOOO!!! SAY IT AIN'T SOOOOO!!!!

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