The Maillard Reaction
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I'm off to clip my mix engine
They say it can not be done. I think I'll be done in about 3 minutes See you soon. :-)
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 13:22:58
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 13:36:35
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Who said it can't be done?
In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 13:43:06
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 14:30:23
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It kicked my cushion. I could barely make it crackle... once I turned the place where all the crackling was happening down. best, mike
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 14:45:59
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I wouldn't say it CAN'T be done. but I would think it would be very difficult. I was in the same boat where I thought that it was "hogwash" until I realized exactly what it meant. 64bit floating point gives you so much headroom it's going to be difficult to hit that ceiling.
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 14:50:44
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I wrote an explanation on the thread in Techniques. I was real comfortable with the 64 bit idea... I just mistakenly thought there were a few bottlenecks that really aren't there. I have always advised that the 64bit engine made many old superstitions pointless... I just didn't realize how far you could go with it. I pretty much keep my monitor chain at 83dBSPL unless I'm having a jam so I habitually worked at the track level and never thought to turn down the master as a solution for any clipping I mixed up. all the best, mike
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 14:53:33
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So the solution is as our parents said: "Turn that bloody thing down before I turn it down for you"?
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 14:56:52
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true story: My Dad used to just open the circuit breaker to my room. You know that sound of a record slowing down? I heard that a lot when I was a young-un. Dad was an electrical engineer... he didn't fool around. What I did to win him over was to demonstrably listen to classical records even louder than my rock records.
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 14:57:31
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mike_mccue What I did to win him over was to demonstrably listen to classical records even louder than my rock records. Clever boy.
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 15:09:54
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Mike, you just need more power if you really want to clip. More power - whatever the problem, it's always the answer.™
In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 15:12:15
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drewfx1 Mike, you just need more power if you really want to clip. More power - whatever the problem, it's always the answer.™ 20 to 40% ?
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 15:21:27
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drewfx1 Mike, you just need more power if you really want to clip. More power - whatever the problem, it's always the answer.™ When My wife and I raced our tandem bicycle... that's about all I would say... "More power.... more power". Every now and then I'd yell "hold on... tight!!!"
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 16:02:38
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Hold on tight ......... or else, everyone can see the back of your Tee - Shirt which clearly states .... If you can read this than the **lady** fell off! ** (Choose appropriately) ** BTW ... I think the first time I saw one of these T's was in Florida, Mike was that you?
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 16:06:00
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Could have been :-) I guess there's a bunch of us with Tandems down here in the sun belt... but I used to lead large group rides so it's certainly possible that we rode together or met at some event. best regards, mike
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 16:10:55
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My brother just recently gave me his bicycle, because it fell of the hook in the garage and dinged either his Mercedes or his Miata. I can only use it in the summer time up here, though. There are great places to ride here in Canada. I took it up to Lake Simcoe and up to the Georgian Bay.
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 16:15:14
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I'm trying to get to Door County Wisconsin for some smooth rolling this summer!!! :-) You all in the snow belt have great wide roads and amazingly polite drivers.
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 19:08:09
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Sounds like you need the Lawnmower Man plug-in Mike!
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 21:58:42
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mike_mccue They say it can not be done. I think I'll be done in about 3 minutes See you soon. :-) Scary ain't it? What makes it difficult is that plug-in makers have different ideas of what levels are required make their fx work the trickery to best effect, meaning you have to use your ears when applying certain fx. Between the tracking and the output we could all go so far up and down our own little range within all that headroom that we'd never ever bump into each other and it seems the very concept of 'gain staging' doesn't actually exist within the digital realm. Gain staging really then is just a ritual us old farts like to cling to, I justify it by thinking to myself that it all has to come out of the DA converter at some point and it is well to know at which juncture along the chain I've completely wrecked the sound if only for reference, so the imaginary limits imposed by all the whistles, lights, bells and meters do assist I suppose. I tried to explain to somebody once that a plug-in or combination thereof had been the cause of some fine square topped clipping, I don't think however I managed to successfully explain how I knew, but I just knew that I knew. (btw cross posting makes it difficult to know whether the thread in the techniques forum or here was the right place to post these musings of mine, but hey we can do what we like without limits this is all digital after all, who needs pre-defined procedures?... )
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/06/17 22:02:39
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Re:I'm off to clip my mix engine
2011/06/17 22:54:40
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