IK CSR 64bit? How?

Mike,

To the best of my knowledge you can't...

you have to install CS...then "restore my gear" to get all the updates...
that will update all the components you own to the new versions...

No, that won't work. You have to use the Custom Shop for the 64 bit versions of CSR. After you click on Restore my Gear it downloads/updates and authorizes all the IK Gear you own in the Custom Shop.

mike_mccue


Thanks for explaining.

It seems ridiculous.

Maybe it's possible to use my laptop and then copy the VSTs over to my DAW?



best regards,
mike

Mike, I can't disagree with you :-)
 
It indeed does seem ridiculous, and thank you for asking the question.
 
It's something I'd been wondering myself, but just hadn't had time to get around to.
 
I do not like this 'Custom Shop' BS, definitely something you should not have to do on a DAW.
Talk about IN Your Face - this kind of stuff would be totally driven by marketing/sales people - who seem to have some kind of a bent perspective from what I can tell.
 
Surely it should be obvious that many people don't want to pollute their DAW systems with unnecessary crap, which is the category the custom shop fits into for me.
It's totally unnecessary for the DAW, but apparently it seems they really don't think these things through too well.
 
 
I'm avoiding the custome shop too, and my preference is more and more toward avoiding IK now.
 
And without the custom shop slammed in my face, I'd probably be all over these upgrades.
 
One thing I cannot fathom.
IK got rid of ILOK, I believe to be less intrusive or problematic for authorizations ?
But ... to me, the custom shop is far worse than any ILOK.
 
I actually welcome the ILOK (I know a lot don't), but I detest having a totally unnecessary custom shop thrust in my face. To me, this is marketing gone totally nuts, to the point of offensive.
 
Never mind - I'm learning to do without the stuff ... there's always other stuff :-)
 
 
Cheers - Cliff

The thing that puzzles me w/ the T-Racks CS is that, unlike Amplitube which you can add amp models to for relatively little money, the T-Racks add-ons aren't exactly priced to lure you into impulsive purchase. 

It's one thing to impulsively waste a spare $20 on an amp model or a couple of virtual stomp boxes, but putting $120 bus compression requires a bit more thought - as far as I'm concerned, anyway. 

Further more, w/ only 3 days to evaluate plugs, that business model really doesn't work for me. 

W/ a price tag similar to the competition, a trial period that is far from generous and the fact that you have to install that app and log into the store to even just demo the software, I don't see the CS model playing in favor of IK.

It's one thing to use an amp sim on a laptop that's hooked to the internet, I mean, I can imagine using that as a portable rig to record demos and jam or whatever. But when mixing and mastering (and that's what the T-Racks plugs are designed for) I usually want every bit of resource dedicated to the task at hand.

IK Obi


Compare our gear models in the Custom Shop to any of our competitors versions of the same gear and you won't complain about price again. I believe ours to sound superior are are a lot more affordable. For example, you can buy the THREE newest processors for less than what our competitors would charge for one. I haven't hear many people complain about the Custom Shop til this week. Its been loved and accepted by thousands already and growing at an unprecedented pace. Not only do you guys get MORE gear coming out to our studio software in the last year and a half then most of our entire history. For those thinking we're all iOS now, this Custom Shop platform has pushed us to model more studio classics and gave us a platform to present them on.

Hey OBi,
 
I bought VST Plugins - not shopware for my DAW.
 
Forcing people to install custom shops on their DAWs, just to update their VST's, in my mind is just lunacy.
 
I don't want to install more and more "marketing junk" into my studio DAW, and I should NOT have to either, just to get the updates to which I should be fully entitled ... WITHOUT installing marketing crapware.
 
IK has turned me right off with this approach, and I'm not saying that the Custom Shop thing isn't right for everyone. Some people may like it ... so geuss what ?
 
There are better ways to market, than FORCE FEEDING this onto EVERYONE !.
Sorry for shouting, I'm just force feeding back.
 
The problem in this instance, is FORCING people.
There are smarter, customer friendly ways to tackle this, and IK totally missed the boat.
 
Simple example for you:
1)  Don't Take Away Choices - people should still be able to update anything, without installing a CS or whatever you're introducing.
 
That should be a given.
 
2)  Make the update/new version installers with CS (or whatever) set to be installed by default, and
the "Choice to Unselect it".
 
- Give a good description/marketing blurb in the install about it's cool benefits (one or 2 liner).
 
Then those who really do NOT want it, don't have it forced on them.
 
See, I'm NOT just being negative.
I'm 100% certain you both see, and can't deny the high degree of constructiveness conveyed above ?.
 
Take a look at FlashPlayer, Chrome, and Mcaffe sneak their things together into the updates.
But they don't take away the choice to "Unselect" the "Install X Program too".
 
 
Yes, I can also say, IK have turned some pretty good stuff that I liked, and I was using.
 
But I have add, make no mistake - what you do and produce is certainly NOT superior to everyone else on the planet, you have serious competition that, IMHO, is now, and will continue to turn out superior stuff AND at competitive prices.
You only have to take some time to look.
 
I don't disagree with you, that your EP in samplewhatever is great, guess what - I used to like it too.
Now it's so long since I used it - I can't even remember which VST it was in - either sampletank or the other one, for which the name escapes me because IKmm have slipped so far into the distance for me.
Maybe it was "Sonic Synth" ?
 
But there are EP's just as good if not better than any EP in the IK stuff, in 64bit, with responsive companies behind them.
 
 
Right now, I don't WANT to get to like any new IK stuff !.
So, I don't buy any new IK stuff now.
Because I've lost faith and TRUST in the company behind the IK stuff, to listen to or treat it's customers with reason, and provide us with user friendly service and updates - that used to exist.
 
At the moment I only see IK turning to a force feed service intent on thrusting more "Forced Install In Your Face Shopware" (which does NOT belong on a studio DAW), and updates which FORCE you to install more and more "Online Marketing" shopware onto your studio DAW.
 
Next will we see them programming in the advertising, so every time you open plugin "A", it will check your system for other IK products, and make you watch an advertisement for something IK that you haven't got yet, possibly related to the list of what you have installed ?
 
 
For me,  all the IK stuff I originally purchased, had me quite excited way back then. It seems its all still sitting in the 32bit dark ages, and fallen by the wayside.
 
I don't even install a 32bit version of a DAW anymore, and it really shouldn't be a bother by not doing so.
I know all about bitbridge and jbridge, and to use any 32 bit stuff and record realtime automation, at least in X1 required jbridge.
 
 
See, what people really want ... is OPTIONS.
 
There are people who probably love the custome shop ... BUT for those who don't, why oh why does IK not provide (keep !) a "Normal Update Option".
 
That's all that would be required to keep everyone happy with that particular product or line ... PROVIDE Standard Simple Update operations - eg: Log into your account, download, and install.
 
 
I would rather spend some serious or semi-serious money today or tomorrow, to get what I need, for today and tomorrow, from a company that provides support and updates for today's ... and tomorrow's platforms and technology - eg: 64 versions within a reasonable time, rather than heading for a decade behind.
I know, you're probably going to say something along the lines of "But that's what we're doing, Ios & whatever IS today and tomorrow's technology and platforms, we've given you guys ... and ...
and ST3 is nearly done :-)  , soon, it will be soon."
 
 
OK 'nuf said - rant over.
 
I'll still be waiting to see what ST3 is if it ever arrives, and I'd say it will have to be something rather stunning in many ways to get me even thinking about it, unless I see some kind of a turn around from IK and the way it appears to operate now.
 
 
Cheers - Cliff

? What are you referring to? I just answered questions on the Custom Shop, I wasn't picking a fight here. You guys are always more than welcome to voice your concerns on the IK forums or via our contact form. http://www.ikmultimedia.com/contact-us/

The Custom shop is not that bad, as far as I can see (after installing), it gives you an option to log into the shop from what was originally (and still very much looks like) the shell. 
From here you restore your gear which gives you 64 bit (if required) versions to load into the shell as well as individual 64 bit versions of the gear that you already own, that can be inserted into the fx bin without the shell or any need of the custom shop. 

If you want to purchase more gear from within the shop then it is only a click or to away.

Seems to be very well implemented in my opinion. 

     @Obi


You are nice guy Obi but what are you all thinking on IK?
I'm not a user but I just wonder what the big fuzz was about this CUSTOM SHOP? I though that is nothing special just use it as dongle software, like "NI Service Center" or "Steinberg Key" but no?  I couldn't believe what I was actually reading on your website?
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/trcs/




As far as I understand you not only use the CUSTOM SHOP for download and installation its actually the PLUGIN in the DAW? You then LOAD all your plugins thru CUSTOM SHOP  . And not just that you need to be online on the Internet all the time during working with the DAW?

Who is that on a PC setup or actually on MAC setup too during Mixing and working? Even serious MAC user kill the internet during sessions.
I have my DAW connected to the internet for updates and service but not during working & sessions. Man, you need to ask the users or PRO-users how workflow are.

WOW! I'm glad I'm not a IK user for sure.

NI Guitar RIG was the worst idea ever, and people angry as hell, when NI include all those FX plugins, "need to use GUITAR RIG" to be able to open and use them. After almost "French revolution"  NI have made them now as plugins instead biggest request ever by all users. 





CUSTOM SHOP are by far worse Idea that you have come up with at IK Multimedia.
So you plugins suddenly get useless. Not as how they sound but no one can or will want to use it thru CUSTOM SHOP and need to have Internet to be able to use it. As for now I think I will never ever demo your products as long you have this horrible system dealing with your plugins? It doesn't matter to me if you get two free plugins if I install CUSTOM SHOP. 


Best Regards
Freddie

Fair point Aries.

But you can ensure that your anti virus software is enabled when you go online to install the custom shop and then disable it after you have installed. 

IK multimedia are long time players in the music software and plugin market and are well aware how the majority of music producers / customers use their DAW's and are probably not considered a risk. 

However if you can't physically or wirelessly get an internet connection to your DAW then this provides another challenge.

But personally I think that IK Multimedia have provided a good, transparent online service (which most commercial) software developers require for purchasing registering and updating  their products.

I'm not trying to provoke an argument, just stating that Ik's process is no different or more difficult/risky than any other major developer who requires online registration. (Native instruments, propellerhead, fxpansion to name but a few) for their products.

Personally I prefer the custom shop, as it doesn't generate new individual registration codes for all of your gear via the IK authorisation manager. That is a PITA every time a fresh install is required :-( 

We are working on getting our tech support to post on the forums more, but is a move we are still working on. We have stated from the beginning that the forum was not intended for support issues. We didn't want pages of issues when we can work 1 on 1 with a person and their system. Thanks for the support on the Custom Shop, you are correct about not needing to be online to use T-Racks. Only to browse, download, authorize and demo new gear.

I don't see a problem here.

I only ever connect my DAW to the internet when I want to download/install/authorise relevant software.

When I'm done I simply pull the wireless dongle out.

And no, you don't need a 24/7 internet enabled connection in order to use the plugins - THAT would be lunacy but it's simply not the case.

I think it's a great system for updating plugs - those of you poo-pooing it are missing out big time.

And no, I don't work for IK and no, Custom Shop does not intrude in any way on my system

And not just that you need to be online on the Internet all the time during working with the DAW?

Who is that on a PC setup or actually on MAC setup too during Mixing and working? Even serious MAC user kill the internet during sessions.
I have my DAW connected to the internet for updates and service but not during working & sessions. Man, you need to ask the users or PRO-users how workflow are.

No Freddie - this is simply not the case.

Bristol_Jonesey


I don't see a problem here.

I only ever connect my DAW to the internet when I want to download/install/authorise relevant software.

When I'm done I simply pull the wireless dongle out.

And no, you don't need a 24/7 internet enabled connection in order to use the plugins - THAT would be lunacy but it's simply not the case.

I think it's a great system for updating plugs - those of you poo-pooing it are missing out big time.

And no, I don't work for IK and no, Custom Shop does not intrude in any way on my system

And not just that you need to be online on the Internet all the time during working with the DAW?

Who is that on a PC setup or actually on MAC setup too during Mixing and working? Even serious MAC user kill the internet during sessions.
I have my DAW connected to the internet for updates and service but not during working & sessions. Man, you need to ask the users or PRO-users how workflow are.

No Freddie - this is simply not the case.

aha my fault then! Obi said something you need to be online continual to be able to demo them? 
 
But still you need to use Custom shop like a plugin in the DAW. You then load and use the separate purchased plugins thru Custom Shop. The plugins doesn't come with own VST's dll. GUI anymore. In my opinion that's really stupid!
 
Anyway have a great weekend!
Best Regards
Freddie 

Yes, I know that the updates come with the separate dlls.

IK has decided that I can not purchase them unless I accept its terms.

I get it.

:-)

I'm just not getting the updates.


best regards,
mike

I guess some peoples bosses check the forums to see if their employee toes the company line..

I guess if I worked for Bapu  I would diss all other screen printing and say his was the best (which it is anyway) on all the print forums and say his ink was the wave of the futire, and all the people with iron on transfers were so yesterday...

By the way Bapu is coming out with an IPRINT app...

Exactly, except you can do tons more with gear models being added and demoing them as they come out.