yorolpal
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/13 23:32:52
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IK, ol pal...I feel for ya. No, I really do. I'm sure that just like me in my little piddly ass bidness yor tryin to make as much geetus as you can day in and day out. And when the market zigs (i.e. iphone/ipad mania) you have to zag. But, in yor obvious ignorance, you've gone about it all wrong and alienated your core user base. Fairly obvious. A complete dunderheaded move. Unless, of course, yor rakin in the semolians from all the iCrap stuff. If you are then more power to ya. But those of us who helped build yor bidness feel slighted at best and shat on at worst. And you...and yor above posts ain't helpin one little bit. In fact, yor makin it worse you dim wit! You said somewhere up there you'd let IKObi handle it and then just kept digging a deeper hole. Do yourself a favor and LET IKObi handle it!!! And while yor at it give him a raise in pay. At least he takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. At least he does his job and attempts...to greater or lesser degrees of success...to mollify us. You just poke us in the eye with yor excrement covered finger and say how do you like that my good fellow?? That's not very customer centric. Is it?
Here's my best advice to you (as a long time user who owns most of your core products): Shut the hell up until yor ready to announce the release of ST3. Zip it. Shush. Don't say another word. And get the heck off our forum and let ol Obi do the job yor payin him for. Cause you, ain't cuttin it, ol stick.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 11:28:31
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Say ST3 was already released:
What are your expectations?
Kontakt has the bar set pretty high. Almost impossibly high to actually "kompete" against it...
Look at how long HALion was "dormant". (I'm guessing for the same reason)
It's a huge task.
For better or worse, Kontakt is the standard by which all new soft-samplers will be judged.
If ST3 doesn't directly compete with Kontakt (large scripted libraries), it has to offer enough niche features to be a successful alternative.
ie: Independence offers some nice features... but it just hasn't caught on. No scripting... and not a lot of unique features (compared to Kontakt)
In a board of directors meeting, pitching the idea of "developing a product to compete with Kontakt" would be a hard sell.
I don't feel the animosity expressed above...
But at the risk of sounding like an old man, I miss the older days.
The beginning of the DAW revolution... when companies were new/small and there was close communication/interaction with the user base.
The industry has moved to more of a larger/corporate structure (to survive)... which puts distance between developer and user.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 11:43:47
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Jim
I agree with most of what you have said - one thing I would just say is that YES, they have a massive job to do to catch up with Kontakt - but do you not think this problem is entirely of their own making as they just milked Sample Tank for years and years with no development whatsoever, whereas NI have always kept the development of Kontakt current.
I first purchased Sample Tank around 2005 if I remember correctly - as far as I can see, very little has changed since then.
Kontakt has changed enormously in the same time
I still use some of the extensive libraries I built up over the years for Sample Tank, but I have Sample Tank on my old "Jim" 32bit machine and route it to my new "Jim" 64 bit machine using Vienna Pro - not totally ideal but works OK like this for me.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 11:51:45
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In a board of directors meeting, pitching the idea of "developing a product to compete with Kontakt" would be a hard sell.
I couldn't care less about ST3 -- for me, Kontakt is THE standard and has everything I could ever need, and then some. No interest here in adopting another sampling platform, especially when the company behind it is about as far from customer-centric as you can get (they flatly told me in another forum that the notion of "the customer is always right" was outdated -- I'm not making this up). Yes, there is room for improvement with Kontakt (as with anything) but I'm sure NI will come out with a new version soon enough. Maybe even sooner than ST3.  Cheers, Eddie
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 12:01:39
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Eddie
If I didn't already own it, no matter what they did with their current less than Customer Centric iattitude, I wouldn't even think of buying ST3 - however like many people I do have ST but more importantly many libraries. I want to still keep using these, but as I now have an acceptable workaround, IK have someway to go to make me spend money with them on the upgrade!
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 12:01:44
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It was definitely more fun, productive and exciting to call up tech support or sales at those companies when they first started and actually talk to the owner/developers. That's why when possible I prefer to do business with folks like Jim...or Greg at Orange Tree...or any of the "mom and pop" vendors today.
I also agree with Jim that ST3 has a pretty high bar to get over with any new release.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 12:13:57
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Bajan Blue
Jim
I agree with most of what you have said - one thing I would just say is that YES, they have a massive job to do to catch up with Kontakt - but do you not think this problem is entirely of their own making as they just milked Sample Tank for years and years with no development whatsoever, whereas NI have always kept the development of Kontakt current.
Hi Nigel, Yes, I agree. First version of Kontakt (when GigaStudio ruled the soft-sampling world) was ok. Disk-streaming performance was not on par with GigaStudio Second version of Kontakt was direct competition with GigaStudio. Disk-streaming was vastly improved From then on, Kontakt surpassed GigaStudio (dead product)... and defined what it is to be a soft-sampler. All these years of development gave NI such a competitive advantage, I'm not sure it'll ever be eclipsed. Of course... never say "never"... but it would take a momentous event.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 12:18:06
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Yep...I agree..
All they had to do was port the program to 64 bit and redesign the interface...DONE...
that shouldn't take 8 years....development should have been ongoing....but, NOPE,
IK decided not to do ANYTHING...literally, with the SampleTank line...
(and I own all 5 ST Products BTW...)
Because of the "complaints" in all the forums...they started promising ST 3 3 years ago...
NOW...that the poop has hit the fan...they're touting it as something "spectacular"...
I certainly wouldn't bet on it....as I've stated before, if it's not the BE ALL AND END ALL
of Samplers..they might as well just "shut the line down"
They won't be getting my money....that much is for sure...on ANYTHING....
10 months ago I stopped purchasing IK Products in protest of their "I Everything and YOU nothing Policy"
They came out with the New T-Racks...I converted...but didn't buy the Grand Upgrade...as much as I would have liked
to, I didn't.
They came out with new gear for it...didn't buy it.
They came out with new things for Amplitube (and still are...before ST 3) and I didn't buy any of it...nor will I.
The problem is that the most are OCD...they'll buy whatever is released...regardless of what the company does...
and the Companies realize this..so they do whatever they please...
I personally am done with that...I've got most of what I need...actually MORE then what I need...so, if a company wants
my MONEY they better take care of me, the EXISTING customer...that's what I'm talkin' 'bout Willas...because even
a lot of the free stuff out there is getting better then the "paid" stuff...
Most of them do, IK has not....end of story...that's all...bye bye..
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 12:21:41
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Eddie TX
I couldn't care less about ST3 -- for me, Kontakt is THE standard and has everything I could ever need, and then some. No interest here in adopting another sampling platform
I think that'll be the attitude of many users...
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 12:38:52
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Jim
I really wish you hadn't mentioned Gigasampler - you have reminded me this is another product I got caught with!!!!!!!
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 13:49:55
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cclarry
they're touting it as something "spectacular"...
I certainly wouldn't bet on it....as I've stated before, if it's not the BE ALL AND END ALL
of Samplers..they might as well just "shut the line down"
Don't agree. I'm going to suggest that ST3 merely has to be a) solid b) easy to use and c) not overly expensive to upgrade. Why? I, like a whole lot of others (I assume) have a deep collection of samples in the ST proprietary format. That will motivate an upgrade all by itself. If ST3 also happens to be spectacular, so much the better. But I'll acquire ST3 even if it's only got an improved GUI, works in 64-bit and doesn't cost a ridiculous amount.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 16:17:50
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dmbaer
Don't agree. I'm going to suggest that ST3 merely has to be a) solid b) easy to use and c) not overly expensive to upgrade. Why? I, like a whole lot of others (I assume) have a deep collection of samples in the ST proprietary format. That will motivate an upgrade all by itself. If ST3 also happens to be spectacular, so much the better. But I'll acquire ST3 even if it's only got an improved GUI, works in 64-bit and doesn't cost a ridiculous amount.
And seeing how the Virtual Instruments collection have been on sale for so long, there must be a lot of people who will upgrade just to be able to access that stuff. Even though I wasn't terribly interested in the rest of their libraries besides SampleTron, w/ the constant sales at ridiculous prices, I eventually bought all of them. Given a reasonable upgrade price and admitting that it comes out as expected, it's obvious that I'll upgrade even if only to play back my existing libraries. My sampler is Logic's own EXS-24. Every other one is merely used as a vehicle for specific libraries, including Kontakt, for all it's incredible features. and I think that a lot of people are using those samplers like SampleTank or Kontakt just like me. In such a case, there's no need for anyone to come up w/ a Kontakt killer.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 16:27:52
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Bajan Blue
Jim
I really wish you hadn't mentioned Gigasampler - you have reminded me this is another product I got caught with!!!!!!!
Sorry Nigel! FWIW, A lot of us got caught up in GigaStudio. 
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 17:05:08
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Say ST3 was already released:
What are your expectations?
Kontakt has the bar set pretty high. Almost impossibly high to actually "kompete" against it...
Look at how long HALion was "dormant". (I'm guessing for the same reason)
It's a huge task.
For better or worse, Kontakt is the standard by which all new soft-samplers will be judged.
If ST3 doesn't directly compete with Kontakt (large scripted libraries), it has to offer enough niche features to be a successful alternative.
ie: Independence offers some nice features... but it just hasn't caught on. No scripting... and not a lot of unique features (compared to Kontakt)
In a board of directors meeting, pitching the idea of "developing a product to compete with Kontakt" would be a hard sell.
I don't feel the animosity expressed above...
But at the risk of sounding like an old man, I miss the older days.
The beginning of the DAW revolution... when companies were new/small and there was close communication/interaction with the user base.
The industry has moved to more of a larger/corporate structure (to survive)... which puts distance between developer and user. Nice to see a voice of reason, Jim.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 17:14:59
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They came out with new things for Amplitube (and still are...before ST 3) and I didn't buy any of it...nor will I.
The problem is that the most are OCD...they'll buy whatever is released...regardless of what the company does...
and the Companies realize this..so they do whatever they please... Personally, I am really stingy with my bucks. I won't buy anything unless I can demo it. I am not really brand loyal to much, if it is exceptional quality and reasonably priced, it has a chance of earning my dollar. Software and software companies change so fast, that the minute you buy something, it is almost obsolete. I want to make sure that what I buy, I am satisfied with at the time of the purchase. I don't buy anything hoping that it will get better or expecting to get a free up grade. It is nice when you do, but there are no guarantees. Obviously, I look at track record as well. I just try to be a wise shopper and not get caught up in the "GAS", having to have something because it is the latest and greatest.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 17:58:41
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dmbaer
cclarry
they're touting it as something "spectacular"...
I certainly wouldn't bet on it....as I've stated before, if it's not the BE ALL AND END ALL
of Samplers..they might as well just "shut the line down"
Don't agree. I'm going to suggest that ST3 merely has to be a) solid b) easy to use and c) not overly expensive to upgrade. Why? I, like a whole lot of others (I assume) have a deep collection of samples in the ST proprietary format. That will motivate an upgrade all by itself. If ST3 also happens to be spectacular, so much the better. But I'll acquire ST3 even if it's only got an improved GUI, works in 64-bit and doesn't cost a ridiculous amount.
I have EVERY SampleTank, etc...expansion out there...bought 'em all....don't care... I'll convert them if I have to ...and there are a lot of ways to do it... As I stated...most can't help themselves...they'd spend their money on poop if they thought it was gold... and these companies know this...that's why they just tell the one's who do "call them out" to just go away... they know that many will buy regardless...Politicians use the same principle...somewhere, somehow, SOMEONE has to put them in their place...I know it won't be me...but if I start the boulder rolling it WILL catch them...eventually... There's NOTHING in the IK line that you can't find comparable with, or better then... So I stand my ground....
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 18:22:37
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Rain
And seeing how the Virtual Instruments collection have been on sale for so long, there must be a lot of people who will upgrade just to be able to access that stuff. Even though I wasn't terribly interested in the rest of their libraries besides SampleTron, w/ the constant sales at ridiculous prices, I eventually bought all of them.
Yep, I bought most of them too. I'm betting a whole lot of folks have the same story to tell.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 18:27:07
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cclarry
I have EVERY SampleTank, etc...expansion out there...bought 'em all....don't care...
I'll convert them if I have to ...and there are a lot of ways to do it...
What ways? Maybe you've discovered something I have not. But at one point I did a little research to see if there were any converters available. I couldn't find anything that would transfer the ST propetary format into something more generally accessable. I'm not talking about a playback/resample solution, by the way. That would be *way* too much work, even if I had some automated solution (and I know there's at least one out there that does that sort of thing).
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 19:08:39
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Guitarpima
My only beef with IK is the forum. Why even have a forum if your members can't help if you have a problem. I know all about the "you have to contact CS". The thing is, what if your working and could use the information quickly and someone on the forum can help with the problem and your back in business? Your CS seems awfully busy since IK Obi will get your ticket number and fast track you. It is nice oh him to do that but honestly, why should he have to? It seems to me that you can alleviate the work load of CS by letting people help each other on the forum. That's what I love about the Cakewalk forum. The good news is your mods over at IK are better at keeping the BS from getting out of hand but not all of it's BS.
I hope you do get ST3 out this year. A lot of people have been waiting for a long time. I hope it's legible. I'm tired of buying software that's to hard to read.
This is the only point I will make, as this thread has just run its course. Our support department prides itself on a less than 24 hour resolution period. (Save for weekends/holidays) I check into tickets to see where the process may be and bring it to the support managers attention, but way more often than not its resolved by support on their own. Sorry for this crazy thread going all crazy. Sorry if I offended people. We are trying, whether you believe it or not. SampleTank 3 is coming.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/08/14 19:39:36
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2013/08/14 22:48:41
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/11/25 13:30:29
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Guitarpima
@IK Obi
I NEVER said IK suck at what they do. I did say the IK forum is run like the gestapo. Why? Because there is no free speech there. Don't put words in my mouth when you can't even process what was said.
If saying that ST3 has been touted as "in the works" for over 2 years now, that's not saying IK sucks. That's saying you guys at IK have been saying that for over 2 years now. Is that clear enough?
So you guys at IK can keep on making great plug ins and saying ST3 is in the works. Please come back in 2 years when ST3 is done and let us know. Also, please let us know of other great plug ins along the way.
I'll let IK Obi handle it from here forward, but just a one thing he may not have pointed out to you that should be crystal clear, and an offer to show confidence that your final statement about ST3 in 2 years is way off:
1. There is no "free speech" on any forum, and it isn't any different on a company forum like IK's. You agreed to whatever rules were set out there on the IK forum and moderators do their job to enforce those rules and if you do not agree with the rules or the enforcement of said rules you are welcome to avoid using the forum or contact an administrator, etc to make your case. Seems pretty clear, and not unique to the IK forum.
2. SampleTank 3 will be out by end of this year, 2013. If not, I authorize Obi to give you you a serial for T-RackS CS Grand and another for AmpliTube 3 with his and IK's compliments. That's a lot of $$ worth of software, and some crow to eat so you can see that this isn't a bet that is expected to be lost.
I hope that helps. I'll let IK Obi take it from here.
Too bad I already have both else I'd do a shakedown on IKObi in about 5 weeks.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/11/25 14:58:12
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I'll take TRacks CS Grand, thankee kindly, as I don't have any of the "new" stuff. That's mighty nice of you fellers. Just PM me and I'll give you my direct email. You might as well do it now...but I'll completely understand if you want to wait...just for appearances sake...till Dec. 31/Jan. 1.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/11/25 16:14:08
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2013/11/25 16:18:05
Yup, I'll take a license for each. I can then sell them and help offset the upgrade cost of ST3. maybe...
Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!...
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/11/26 07:26:09
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Ha ha this should get interesting
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/11/26 09:21:32
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Free IK licences for all Cakewalk forumites! Yipee!!
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/11/26 18:23:40
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Peter was addressing GuitarPima, not everyone in this thread. The offer stands and on 12/31 I'll have some serials for him. Pm me for the details GuitarPima.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/11/26 18:23:40
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Peter was addressing GuitarPima, not everyone in this thread. The offer stands and on 12/31 I'll have some serials for him. Pm me for the details GuitarPima.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/11/26 20:16:59
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Actually, it says I authorize IKObi to give you you a serial for....
I felt the 2nd "you" was directed at me, specifically.
That said, with the above comment "The offer stands and on 12/31 I'll have some serials for him." we can conclude 2013 is a no show for S3.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/11/26 23:43:38
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Embarrassing, really. Cowardly. Weasley. Par for the course.
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Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks...
2013/11/27 10:33:04
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Who knew that when IK intentionally publicly states information, versus using a private message they are in fact only directing the seemingly public message to one person. If this is the case, why don't they they hawk their advertising to every forum member individually? I look forward to the response that will in essence justify double standards.
For the record, I don't need or want the promised software. I already have it. However, as a paying customer of dozens of software vendors for 30 plus years, I just find IK's approach to customers baffling.
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