Anderton
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I'd Like to Recommend a SONAR Mindset
What got me thinking about this are some of SilverBlueMedallion's posts, where he wants to accomplish a specific function in SONAR but that function doesn't exist. Often, there's an alternate, less obvious way to do what he wants (e.g., using Remove Silence instead of AudioSnap's Split at Beats to separate a clip with multiple drum hits into individual hits). Also, people often ask how I come with the"Friday's Tip of the Week" techniques like tape varispeed where no such named function exists, and today I realized why. So here's my recommendation: Think of SONAR not as a collection of functions, but as a collection of tools. Once you know what the tools can do, you can apply them in ways that are different from their nominal functionality.
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Re: I'd Like to Recommend a SONAR Mindset
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Re: I'd Like to Recommend a SONAR Mindset
2016/09/05 13:56:21
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I think that was nicely put, Craig. It (probably) has to do with my limitations, but I have still to come across something (music wise) I could not do in SONAR. The tools are there, in my humble opinion. All the best
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Re: I'd Like to Recommend a SONAR Mindset
2016/09/05 13:59:47
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Right on, Craig! I'm not at all conversant with Sonar, but I aspire to that depth of knowledge. Ray
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Re: I'd Like to Recommend a SONAR Mindset
2016/09/05 14:00:40
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The things I don't know how to accomplish are things I don't know I need (yet).
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Re: I'd Like to Recommend a SONAR Mindset
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/09/05 14:27:58
I'm with the Bapu. I learn what I have to in order to get a task done. Now where's that hammer-wrench?
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/09/05 15:46:47
I wrote a post on my creativity blog once that I subtitled "the importance of having the wrong tools for the job". The upshot was that all too often, we become focused on having the "right" tools (or the best tools, or the ideal tools), or the "right" technique, or knowing how to do things the "right" way. This attitude can be an impediment to creativity. Of course, having good tools and the knowledge to use them well is not an impediment, it can improve results, save time, and so on and so forth - I think the benefits of good tools and knowledge and experience are fairly self-evident, and are certainly well defended in this and other forums. I have many fine tools (including, obviously, the wonderful arsenal of them that make up Sonar) and a certain amount of knowledge and experience myself, and they serve me very well. However, there is also something to be said for the unpredictable results that can come from using tools the "wrong" way, or in some unorthodox way, or in unorthodox or unusual combinations to achieve results. Sure, it can take time and sometimes it leads up blind alleys, but often it leads to unexpected results that can take a creative project in an unexpected direction (and that, for me at least, is almost always a good thing - it's kind of the whole point in fact!). Sometimes it's exactly the frustrating moment of not knowing how to do something you want to do, and having to find or jury-rig a solution, that opens the door to a creative breakthrough. I think, in my case anyway, that happens more often than a breakthrough coming from doing something I know how to do, in a familiar way, with exactly the right tool. That can be satisfying, but it's rarely a eureka moment. The original post, in case anyone's interested, is here: http://fearlesscreativity.com/lego-spaceships/
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Re: I'd Like to Recommend a SONAR Mindset
2016/09/05 15:22:13
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ampfixer I'm with the Bapu. I learn what I have to in order to get a task done. Now where's that hammer-wrench?
I have a left handed metric one that you can borrow...
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Re: I'd Like to Recommend a SONAR Mindset
2016/09/05 19:23:35
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Nice to know I inspired a post Honestly, what I probably need to do is examine all the features in the product. I think sometimes I simply don't realize or know how to connect the dots with what tools I have and how to utilize them to get what I am trying to do!
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Re: I'd Like to Recommend a SONAR Mindset
2016/09/05 22:50:51
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SilverBlueMedallion Nice to know I inspired a post  Honestly, what I probably need to do is examine all the features in the product. I think sometimes I simply don't realize or know how to connect the dots with what tools I have and how to utilize them to get what I am trying to do!
Ha, that's great! I have tried to do that too, but I still haven't made it through the 1300 pages of documentation. I gotta tell ya, it's a great exercise every time I do it.
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SilverBlueMedallion Nice to know I inspired a post  Honestly, what I probably need to do is examine all the features in the product. I think sometimes I simply don't realize or know how to connect the dots with what tools I have and how to utilize them to get what I am trying to do!
Ha, that's great! I have tried to do that too, but I still haven't made it through the 1300 pages of documentation. I gotta tell ya, it's a great exercise every time I do it.
Having gone through the documentation way back when, I still have a habit of looking for the dedicated step record and the large panic button.
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Re: I'd Like to Recommend a SONAR Mindset
2016/09/06 00:26:27
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Good thoughts Craig...
I work with many DAWs over the years and have used 12Tones/cakewalk since the beginning... Long an engineer before computers...
...and no matter what tools I've had, situations arise that require "discovery". Using the most important tool, the mind, to find a way to get the job done with what you have!
...often leads to wonderful discoveries! ;-)
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Re: I'd Like to Recommend a SONAR Mindset
2016/09/06 23:09:00
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Is it possible this revolutionary concept might be applicable to other situations in life besides Sonar ?
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☄ Helpfulby Caa2 2016/09/07 06:55:44
I always assumed that being a set of tools was how most viewed SONAR now. Some work well, others not so much, and some are non-existent. As to multiple ways to achieve the same task, this forum is rife with suggestions for such. What seems to get lost in the shuffle is functionality that could be significantly improved on existing features, but these are often met with push back or tedious workarounds. Making something intuitive with attention to detail is a rare art.
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Re: I'd Like to Recommend a SONAR Mindset
2016/09/07 08:46:26
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I probably just barely scratch the surface of what Sonar can do. Most of what I do is with "Analog" tracks, very seldom MIDI. I'm not a fan of the Sonar manual, most of the time I'm just as confused or can't find the answer. When I do want to do something that I don't know how, it seems its already been answered on the forum or I can come on here and get the answer. But, I don't say "it can't be done", I ask "how" to do it. I was In Networking and computer support (hardware help desk) until I retired. Being on "the other side" of support and answering questions probably helps my attitude to getting assistance when needed.
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Re: I'd Like to Recommend a SONAR Mindset
2016/09/07 09:58:09
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mettelus I always assumed that being a set of tools was how most viewed SONAR now.
That's entirely possible, but a lot of posts here are about how to accomplish a function, not how to accomplish an end result. So if the function doesn't exist, people assume they can't accomplish the end result. However, often the end result can indeed by accomplished by applying tools in different ways than originally intended. BTW I agree that some tools could use a refresh to make them less opaque.
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A great post - makes me think that your mind (cognitive) is a terrible thing to waste and/or feel that you always have to abide by the so called "rules".
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I am a technical dude..... I allways carry a hammer...!
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