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2016/12/11 15:17:59 (permalink)

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gave my opinion about a guitarist would you care? If yes, why would you care?
 
 
 
 
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Re: If I ... 2016/12/11 15:24:17 (permalink)
I would care, because one can't know every guitarist on the planet.  I'm sure there's many I don't know about.  Your choices, after listening to them would give me an idea of your taste.  I especially like to know WHY you like such and such guitarist;  It helps me put your opinion in context.
 
Some people are raised on a quasi-academic idea of guitar-ship, like beginner, intermediate, advanced.  I shun those kinds of characterizations.  Some one can be a complete beginner (like the guy I heard play *romance* in guitar center yesterday) and be a good guitar player at the same time.  He felt that piece though his hands weren't quite up to the challenge.
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Re: If I ... 2016/12/11 15:24:31 (permalink)
I'm always interested in hearing fellow musicians opinions, especially those whose music I've heard, and admired. Sometimes it gives me a fresh perspective on my own opinions.

 
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Re: If I ... 2016/12/11 15:39:03 (permalink)
ya
 
 
 
 
 
to the OP
 
 
 
 
And to all
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Re: If I ... 2016/12/11 15:41:29 (permalink)
Checking out the opinions of others is how I find 90% of the new music I buy.  That said, for me it's all about the music itself, not a person or a guitarist.

 
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Re: If I ... 2016/12/11 16:00:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2016/12/11 16:07:20
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If I ...
  


 

...were a swan, I'd be gone.
...were a train, I'd be late.
And if I were a good man, I'd talk with you more often than I do.
...were to sleep, I could dream.
 ...were afraid, I could hide.
 ...go insane, please don't put your wires in my brain.
 ...were the moon, I'd be cool.
 ...were a rule, I would bend.
 ...were a good man, I'd understand the spaces between friends.
 ...were alone, I would cry.
And if I were with you, I'd be home and dry.
And if I go insane, will you still let me join in with the game?
If I were a swan, I'd be gone.
If I were a train, I'd be late again.
If I were a good man, I'd talk to you more often than I do.

 
(Sorry, the Pink Floyd song was the first set of wires that came to my brain)

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: If I ... 2016/12/11 16:04:24 (permalink)
First; thanks for replies so far. It was a serious question.
 
I read articles about guitarist that will include a lot of detailed information.
The most interest I have is when their music is being analyzed. I really don't care about other details or what the author thinks. Sometimes their choice of equipment is interesting but I find the routing of it to be the reason for my interest.
 
I think that is because I enjoyed sounding like them even though I wasn't playing their licks note for note.
I know for a fact that it isn't equipment...I've been told many times while jamming, as I'm sure others have too, that I would sound like him or him. The reason was a would be thinking about their "attitude"...their choice of certain modes or playing techniques.  ( easy to understand...easy for people to think you sound like Chet when you play that way...doesn't have to be one of his works)
 
Anyway....I'm different for those that have responded so far. I don't care about others opinions unless they are discussing the technical aspects of the player. I guess that is when I learn the most about not only the player but the person talking about them too. "I like the way he sounds" ...well that's just not valuable info to me but if the statements are such as; He leans on the Dorian and can play an example...then I'm interested. It's all about the music to me.
 
Now that changes when I'm talking to a guitarist that I plan on working with. Everything changes then. Then his opinions and his ability to analyze (abilities) do come into play.
That is info I retain. As far as who like who here...I won't remember after reading. Glad we won't be having tests on this LOL.
 
 
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Re: If I ... 2016/12/11 16:15:51 (permalink)
Seriously, I'm not so interested in the "I like/dislike" sort of preferences or "best" or "top" or that sort of thing.
 
But if someone is offering something more insightful about a player, or a school of playing, or where something came from, or how how someone fits in context, or something like that, then I am interested.

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: If I ... 2016/12/11 16:31:17 (permalink)
I'm always curious about how someone gets their "sound."  I remember hearing that one guy used Marshal JCM-800's and I was thinking "No way!  Those are too thin to get that sound!"  A little research found that they were actually modded by Mike Soldano so I went and found a '79 JMP and had Mike do the same mod.  Oh yeah!!!  
 

 
 

 
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Re: If I ... 2016/12/11 17:11:02 (permalink)
Equipment can be fun.
 
If I knew anybody or was the type that could listen to a recording and know for a fact what equipment from the guitar to the mic's were used then I would have an interest in talking equipment. To date every person that has talked about equipment to me knows what is being used. It would be much different if they could hear a recording and tell be.
How many times have we heard someone compare.....pickups...I'll use pickups...."this brand is blah blah and this is blah blah....well listen to a recording of those pickups and then tell which is which. Ya, then you have something.
 
So the fun of equipment is what I hear- what I can do with it. What others have to say has just never helped me find what I was looking for. I had to use it and make my own determination.
 
It seems like every aspect of music has been that way for me. When others talk about what they think I get that deer/headlight look going. I know if and when I use the piece of equipment is when the evaluation will have a true meaning. Until then...it's babbling. Useless info.
 
Now the obvious...
 
If I'm riding in a car listening to Earl Klugh -Finger Paintings and they don't like him....change the disc....that's all it means to me. I don't care why he doesn't like him. I won't remember if he tells me.
Now if we're riding to a practice session and learning some Earl Klugh for a session then it means a lot. I'd change the disc while turning around.
 
Maybe it's a personal flaw. Maybe I should have more interest in others opinions about musicians and equipment...but I don't. Not until it's time to perform. I think that's when the opinions carry weight. That's when you find out if the person can talk the talk and walk the walk. I'm sure I acquired that attitude from many years of dealing with musicians both on and off the stage so I don't expect anything we say here will change it.
 
I do find it interesting that my opinion about a musician could help another. I don't understand how it could unless I was demonstrating their use and thoughts about playing techniques or theoretical approaches ...maybe favored chord forms/voicings but even so...I don't think things will be changing for me.
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Re: If I ... 2016/12/11 17:36:16 (permalink)
Like live concerts, live lessons are always more successful.  I'm not one to go online and take a lesson.  The teacher is often more adept at dealing with common problems when one is in person.  OTOH, make sure to find find a good teacher.  Some are skunks.
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Re: If I ... 2016/12/11 17:54:59 (permalink)
I find other's opinions interesting and useful. They might just point me towards something I wasn't aware of and like.

Equipment is something that can fascinate me, not because I want to emulate someone in the way some gear obsessives do, but because discussions amongst people who are actually knowledgable rather than repeating what the local "forum gods" decree is the "ultimate fuzz/delay/amp/whatever" can point me in hopefully useful directions. Where I lived 40 years ago there was no-one within 30 miles who knew how to properly set up a guitar, no-one who could (or would) explain how to use a fuzz face with the guitar's volume control, no-one too explain harmonica note-bending. There was a total of three or four venues that once in a while put on local musicians within 15 miles and one of them was pay to play.

This wasn't a remote area in the backwoods either, but the English midlands.

So knowledge about techniques and equipment was either a closely guarded secret that those 'in the know' kept to themselves or simply not to be found. Come to that, the electric guitar, bass and the synthesiser weren't even regarded as "proper instruments" worthy of serious attention - things drugged-up layabouts played because any fool could make them make a noise and the other drugged-up layabouts were daft enough to pay for their noise.

People starting playing now are really fortunate, the amount of easily found information is amazing. So, unfortunately, is the amount of disinformation, but that's a different story.

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Re: If I ... 2016/12/11 18:35:04 (permalink)
I wouldn't anymore.
 
I'm glad I was turned onto Robin Ford and Larry Carlton when younger but not so much anymore.
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Re: If I ... 2016/12/11 19:06:40 (permalink)
bitman
I wouldn't anymore.
 
I'm glad I was turned onto Robin Ford and Larry Carlton when younger but not so much anymore.


I can sure relate to that. Although when I was growing up the music was what I was being turned on to. It wasn't someone telling about a guitarist. I could hear it and decide if it was of interest. That was a big thing...someone would get a new album and everybody would get together and give it a listen. Someone could point out something about the guitar player...it didn't matter...you were either going to relate to that player or you weren't. You were going to buy their releases and study or you weren't. Nothing anybody said was going to change that...UNLESS you had to learn it for the cover band. Well that's the way it was for me anyway.
 
eph221
Like live concerts, live lessons are always more successful.  I'm not one to go online and take a lesson.  The teacher is often more adept at dealing with common problems when one is in person.  OTOH, make sure to find find a good teacher.  Some are skunks.


I studied with a teacher the day I started in 1962. Around 1964 I had a round trip of 180 miles to study with a very well known private instructor and continued for a couple of decades. Of course while holding down bands and studio work...and a day job.
 
tlw- I understand. I too was in a world of my own. Things were much different back then and if there were anybody to recommend much it was at a music store. I learned a lot at the stores but it wasn't from the employees- it was from having the goods to test out. Then, as now, others opinions are for them (to me). I've always made my own and the only thing is if we agree. That just doesn't help me...nice to know we might agree but what do ya do with it. Smile?
 
Even now with the internet and so much to check out and listen to...lots of opinions but nothing compares to hands-on. That's when it has meaning for me.
 
 
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Re: If I ... 2016/12/12 10:32:02 (permalink)
Other people rarely have my opinions. Some of my opinions are based on known facts and some are based on complete and total ignorance and outright lunacy. Sometimes, I hear other people's opinions and reconsider the validity of my own. When I give my opinion, I do so with the understanding that no one wants to hear it, but sharing it may satisfy my need for self-expression. Most people, on the other hand, use that time to check their email, update Facebook, take a nap, or "test their headphones."
 
In this particular area, however, I am an ignorant lump, so I would be interested in hearing the opinions of people who actually know what they're talking about. I would not give an opinion, because I Am not a guitarist and have not earned the right. 
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Re: If I ... 2016/12/12 11:32:17 (permalink)
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Other people rarely have my opinions. Some of my opinions are based on known facts and some are based on complete and total ignorance and outright lunacy. Sometimes, I hear other people's opinions and reconsider the validity of my own. When I give my opinion, I do so with the understanding that no one wants to hear it, but sharing it may satisfy my need for self-expression. Most people, on the other hand, use that time to check their email, update Facebook, take a nap, or "test their headphones."
 
In this particular area, however, I am an ignorant lump, so I would be interested in hearing the opinions of people who actually know what they're talking about. I would not give an opinion, because I Am not a guitarist and have not earned the right. 




You could give your opinion. You do have the right. Many people give their opinion all the time and don't know what their talking about or it may even be based on very limited experience.
You don't have to be a guitarist to have an opinion on who you may like the sound of.
 
I have the opportunity way to often to offer mine. "It's only my opinion" without doubt weighs differently to folks and I guess is flattery when one is asked. I think "when asked" is the key for me. Sometimes I do and I know when I do that it probably doesn't matter and/or even understood and goes south. Knowing I should have STFU.
 
Well I'm learning why some people find opinions valuable. Even so, I haven't learned anything that would make opinions have value to me UNLESS I'm involved with them.
 
 
 
 
 
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