Dave Modisette
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If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
I looking to hear about new ideas about organizing the file structure in a brand new clean install. I've got a new Purrrfect Audio computer on the way next week and I'm thinking about the drudgery of installing a Bunch of plugins, and sample sets as well as five different audio/midi recording hosts.
In my case, I'll have a 500 gig O/S drive and a 1 terabyte blank drive that is intended for audio. When it gets here I intend on taking the 1 terabyte Audio drive out of my existing computer and add it to my new one because it is loaded with active projects that I need to access as well as every Toontrack library available to me. That's a lot of downloading otherwise.
I'm sure we've all got the Cakewalk VST plugins folder loaded with VSTs but I am rethinking that and I am considering a central location that is less proprietary and easier to access in the folder trees for my other hosts. All the plugin developers seem to have their own idea where you should install their product and I swear some of them scatter things all over the place. Add to that Pro Tools and the way they do things with RTAS and AAX.
I'm recalling my current set up and laughing at myself because I wouldn't allow a folder on my computer named Steinberg at one time. Maybe I should just call it VSTplugins and put it in the root folder?
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/09 15:43:59
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I allow Sonar to install into it's "proprietary" folder location but then I create a junction point between the proprietary folder and c:\vstplugins-64 for example. This way I can install into either directory because both directories are one. Check out Junction Link Magic for more information. Hope this idea helps...
Cakewalk by Bandlab - Win10 Pro x64 - StudioCat Platinum Studio DAW - 32 GB Ram - MOTU UltraLite-mk3
M-Audio Keystation 88ES - Akai MPD26 (hot-rodded) - Alesis DM10 - a few guitars, a few amps
Novation Launch Control - Korg nanoKONTROL2 - PreSonus FaderPort - DAW Remote HD on iPad
Adam A7X - Behritone C50A
PreSonus Monitor Station v2 (controlling the mons)
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/09 15:59:16
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gustabo,
that seems like a cool tool.
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Dave Modisette
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/09 17:13:28
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gustabo
I allow Sonar to install into it's "proprietary" folder location but then I create a junction point between the proprietary folder and c:\vstplugins-64 for example.
This way I can install into either directory because both directories are one.
Check out Junction Link Magic for more information.
Hope this idea helps...
This looks like a cool tool. Do you happen to have any Toontrack products? I'm wondering if their installers get confused by this.
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mixmkr
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/09 18:59:26
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are you getting Win7 with this new computer? and if so, why not 8?
but to your original, what's wrong with a couple of VST folders...put wherever you want them. If I recall, Toontrack doesn't like you moving stuff around, once installed. I've got the sample files on my C drive when I installed EZD loong ago, and there isn't any way to move them. I've got the space as it isn't taking up that much...5-6 gigs or something like that, but it was an error and I don't want to uninstall and do over, as it's working as is.
Hard drives are cheap, and a pile of dedicated drives for stuff seems that way to go to me... and I'd use Cake's system of storage with directing the audio of course, somewhere else. I'm no computer geek for sure, but I'm not sure I'd just leave the .dll files on the C drive.
and it looks like the Junction link magic isn't supported by Win8...so that might make a decision for you too.
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mixmkr
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/09 19:02:58
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lastly...and OT... why don't you upsize those drives for another $30 or so. ITB C and 2-3 TB for the other empty drive. Upgrades with studiocat for those items seem about the price of a dinner out for a night.
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bapu
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/09 19:06:59
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Hey mixmkr, I'm not going to diagree you but IIRC what toon track does not like is relocating samples, not dll's. In fact if you image you C: drive an all dll's are there that is optimum IMO as a restore the C: drive retains all installs. Copy your drive of samples (hopefully not C:  ) for backup purposes. IIRC Toontrack does not care if your system changes from one physical E: drive (my example samples drive) to another physical E: drive for the samples (not 100% on this).
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gustabo
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/09 19:21:56
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Mod Bod
gustabo
I allow Sonar to install into it's "proprietary" folder location but then I create a junction point between the proprietary folder and c:\vstplugins-64 for example.
This way I can install into either directory because both directories are one.
Check out Junction Link Magic for more information.
Hope this idea helps...
This looks like a cool tool. Do you happen to have any Toontrack products? I'm wondering if their installers get confused by this.
Yes I do and no they don't get confused by it. Actually, if you load the proggie and let it scan your hdd, you will see that you already have a lot of junction links already courtesy of Windows. Actually, the screenshot on Junction Link Magic's page demonstrates that: 
Cakewalk by Bandlab - Win10 Pro x64 - StudioCat Platinum Studio DAW - 32 GB Ram - MOTU UltraLite-mk3
M-Audio Keystation 88ES - Akai MPD26 (hot-rodded) - Alesis DM10 - a few guitars, a few amps
Novation Launch Control - Korg nanoKONTROL2 - PreSonus FaderPort - DAW Remote HD on iPad
Adam A7X - Behritone C50A
PreSonus Monitor Station v2 (controlling the mons)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonarusergroup/
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mixmkr
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/09 19:28:00
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Bapu.... Superior allows you to point to the samples, but EZD does not. Mod will be the expert on this, but I think Toontrack even told me this way back, on their own forums.
That said, I only use EZD for the crazy sets now or if I want something REALLY fast...like under a nano sec...
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bapu
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/09 20:15:30
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Bapu.... Superior allows you to point to the samples, but EZD does not. Mod will be the expert on this, but I think Toontrack even told me this way back, on their own forums.
That said, I only use EZD for the crazy sets now or if I want something REALLY fast...like under a nano sec...
Agreed on EZD, but when I rebuilt my DAW I was careful to install EZDrummer (basic) with the samples on my E: drive and then every pack after that "knows" to install inside the EZD samples location (even updates). It all comes down to initially installing EZD carefully (read: Advanced mode) and not zip through the NEXT buttons.
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mixmkr
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/09 20:28:05
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I hear you... I was excited, migrating from my Roland drum sounds to my 1st drum VSTi. I was acting like a millenium child.
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Dave Modisette
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/09 20:46:14
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mixmkr
Bapu.... Superior allows you to point to the samples, but EZD does not. Mod will be the expert on this, but I think Toontrack even told me this way back, on their own forums.
That said, I only use EZD for the crazy sets now or if I want something REALLY fast...like under a nano sec...
Yeah and part of my set up issues is that I have to be careful what kind of hacks I do in my installations so that I keep my Toontrack setups in line with what a normal user would have on their machine. Superior is different in that you can put things where you want it. EZdrummer is by design, set up for people who are more into getting their song done than spending time tweaking computer set ups. bapu
mixmkr
Bapu.... Superior allows you to point to the samples, but EZD does not. Mod will be the expert on this, but I think Toontrack even told me this way back, on their own forums.
That said, I only use EZD for the crazy sets now or if I want something REALLY fast...like under a nano sec...
Agreed on EZD, but when I rebuilt my DAW I was careful to install EZDrummer (basic) with the samples on my E: drive and then every pack after that "knows" to install inside the EZD samples location (even updates). It all comes down to initially installing EZD carefully (read: Advanced mode) and not zip through the NEXT buttons.
Last year I hosed up my Windows 7 installation and had to do another installation. The repair failed. I had to install all of the EZXs. I can't remember how I had to do it but I had to go through each library and do the updates. It took quite a bit of time. Since I'm a betatester, I have most of the libraries on my hard drives and not on DVD so I've got to make sure I know where they are.
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Ruben
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/09 21:12:48
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Mod Bod
I'm recalling my current set up and laughing at myself because I wouldn't allow a folder on my computer named Steinberg at one time. Maybe I should just call it VSTplugins and put it in the root folder?
That's sorta the way I've been doing it - I have two folders on the C drive - c:\VST32 and c:\VST64. When I install a VST that has a Windows installer I change the path to one of these folders - also for Sonar's VST instruments. Makes it easy to back up everything. I put large sample libraries of VSTi instruments on a separate K drive.
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/09 21:18:59
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When I built my latest PC I was still using Windows XP, but in anticipation of later migration to W7 (and possible additional uses for the PC), I partitioned the main drive for dual or triple-boot.
SonarPlatinum∞(22.11.0.111)|Mixbus32C(4.3.19)|DigitalPerformer(9.5.1)|Reaper(5.77)FractalDesign:DefineR5|i7-6850k@4.1GHz|16GB@2666MHz-DDR4|MSI:GamingProCarbonX99a|Matrox:M9148(x2)|UAD2solo(6.5.2)|W7Ult-x64-SP1
Audient:iD22+ASP800|KRK:VXT6|+various-outboard-gear|+guitars&basses, etc.
Having fun at work lately
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Dave Modisette
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/10 11:26:34
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mixmkr
are you getting Win7 with this new computer? and if so, why not 8?
Basically, safety in numbers is the reason I'm staying with Win 7 x64. With the exception of SONAR, I'm not sure how many of my software products have a robust testing faze in Win 8 and I'm certain that some of my software and hardware does not support Win 8. They might very well work but I don't want the hassles nor am I the pioneer type. My previous computer builds have always lagged several years behind the cutting edge.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/12 19:39:31
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Hi Dave,
Machine is en-route (just in case the Email isn't getting thru)
You should have gotten an Email yesterday (directly from FedEx).
I just forwarded the information to your Gator-tracks address.
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Dave Modisette
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/12 21:09:21
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Thanks, Jim. Now I'm faced with the task of installing all this software. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
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mixmkr
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/12 21:32:25
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stock "pro studio" from Jim? I've got my $$ set aside...need to get a couple more pennies for a new interface...then the trigger is pulled.
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bapu
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/12 21:43:08
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mixmkr
stock "pro studio" from Jim? I've got my $$ set aside...need to get a couple more pennies for a new interface...then the trigger is pulled.
RME? You better get an RME.
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mixmkr
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/12 22:39:27
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"Antelope Freeway....one quarter mile.... Antelope Freeway....1/8th mile........ Antelope Freeway......." F Zappa.
I'd take a KILLER 4/4 card...NO pres... and for now, I think it's going to be the low cost Steinberg. Cause I can always upgrade and don't have $1500 sunk into an interface. I can move a mic easier too, if that makes sense.
But....I could sell some guitars...which I don't want to do. OT at work is picking up, so cash is coming in.
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Dave Modisette
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/13 10:00:31
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I bought what I would consider a very basic system:
Pro Studio DAW
- Case: Silent Mid Tower
- Power-Supply: 600w quiet
- Haswell CPU: 4770k @ 4.5GHz (8 th..
- RAM: 16GB DDR3/1600
- OS drive: 500GB HD
- Audio drive: 1TB HD
- Burner: 24x DVD/RW
- Video: HD4600
- Operating System: Windows 7 x64 Home P..
Now, when it gets here, I will pull my 3 head video card and install that.
I will pull one of the 1 terrabyte drives out of my existing computer and install that.
I will install my RME HDSP card.
I will install a brand new UAD-2 quad and maybe the UAD-2 Solo card from my existing computer.
Hopefully, it won't be too long till I'm making music again.
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mixmkr
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/14 09:22:07
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"Hopefully, it won't be too long till I'm making music again."
You're in good hands, I would put one more drive in there for "storage" and
the picture cache. Maybe its ok on the OS drive, but...
I keep toying with the idea of an SSD for EZD, SD2 and Trillian.
Lots of use (for me) and a little "slow" to load.
Maybe May 6th I'll do that in my current Cat.
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Tom Deering Tascam FW-1884 User Resources Page Firewire "Legacy" Tutorial, Service Manual, Schematic, and Service Bulletins Win10x64 StudioCat Pro Studio Coffee Lake 8086k 32gb RAM  RME UFX (Audio) Tascam FW-1884 (Control) in Win 10x64 Pro
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Dave Modisette
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/14 13:43:25
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Well, guess what is sitting in my office right now. Dang, this thing is heavy. Jim, have you put radioactive protection in these things?
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DeeringAmps
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/14 14:33:12
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Tom Deering Tascam FW-1884 User Resources Page Firewire "Legacy" Tutorial, Service Manual, Schematic, and Service Bulletins Win10x64 StudioCat Pro Studio Coffee Lake 8086k 32gb RAM RME UFX (Audio) Tascam FW-1884 (Control) in Win 10x64 Pro
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Dave Modisette
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/14 20:01:10
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Gawd, I hate setting new computers. Oh, I love ordering them and getting them but what drudgery.
Ok, the computer is on, and the three head monitor card is set up and running fine. In fact, it's what I'm posting with right now.
Next: RME HDSP 9652 card installation.
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Dave Modisette
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/14 20:26:01
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RME installed and the drivers look good.
Now to install the two UAD-2 cards.
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Dave Modisette
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/14 22:05:03
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UAD Cards are in. Now to transfer a SATA drive from one computer to the other.
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Dave Modisette
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/14 23:17:51
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SATA drive in. Transferring audio files.
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gustabo
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Re: If you had it to do all over again... a new computer and a blank slate.
2014/03/14 23:29:56
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Let me know how much you like the junction point trick if you decide to use it...
Cakewalk by Bandlab - Win10 Pro x64 - StudioCat Platinum Studio DAW - 32 GB Ram - MOTU UltraLite-mk3
M-Audio Keystation 88ES - Akai MPD26 (hot-rodded) - Alesis DM10 - a few guitars, a few amps
Novation Launch Control - Korg nanoKONTROL2 - PreSonus FaderPort - DAW Remote HD on iPad
Adam A7X - Behritone C50A
PreSonus Monitor Station v2 (controlling the mons)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonarusergroup/
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