spacey


I don't think these guys agree with you.
 

But there is a girl in there.


Some would say that invalidates the entire product.


Some...... not me.

mike_mccue


nice catch ;-)

You think?


I might be dangerous with a real fishin' pole.

I know, you sang that invitation to me.
(or was it just to me?)

So lets talk money.
I just priced Boss effects and didn't include any of my preferences that would
have pushed the total over 2 g's.
I did include a crybaby and a cheap volume pedal.
For $1,355.00 this is what you'd get.
The rack unit I posted is about $2,000.00 ( not 4 times the amount of a pedal board
that is half assed decent.)

Bill posted two issues.
One is the set-up and tear-down time.  - his solution is a pedalboard.
The other was bringing up pre-sets quickly in a cover band setting. -his solution is learning to tap-dance. (not unusual or original but doesn't address how he's going
to change settings while dancing and I'm curious about that one)

My personal solution if I were in that situation would be running two systems.
I'd A/B so both or either one could be used.
One being my pedalboard and the other my rack. I don't mind pre-sets
to copy another when I use to get paid but I still like to have my own sound available.

The advantage to a pedalboard is one can mix and match to preference.
If one pedal goes bad...bypass it.
The multi-unit may have capabilities that one can pre-set and be content with
all the effects but maybe not...so how is one going to know if they don't have
a chance to check it out?  The other issue is that if something goes wrong with it...
one looses most if not all of their effects.
The advantages and disadvantages are in application and knowledge. No one is
going to have a great set-up cheap. We also know that a great set-up is not going
to make a player a "tone king".  The player will have to do that....ya can't buy it.

So...the money comparison...no way would I be able to buy what the Fractal Axe-FX II has to offer by purchasing pedals. The great advantage of this unit for a modest price increase over a modest "stomp" pedalboard is something to be decided by the buyer.
It's a no-brainer to me. It would be used for self enjoyment in a home DAW environment only. I'd much rather have all the bells and whistles of it AND I would save money. The pedal board priced below is not of my choice. My choices would almost double the price.

Boss
DN-2 DISTORTION               $80.00
DD-7 DELAY                        $180.00
RV-5 REVERB                      $160.00
BF-3 FLANGER   `               $80.00
TR-2 TREMELO                   $110.00
CE-5 CHORUS                     $100.00
GE-7 EQ                                $110.00
PS-6 PITCH SHIFT              $160.00
CS-3 COMPRESSOR         $100.00
TU-3 TUNER                       $100.00
BCB60 PEDALBOARD       $150.00
 
CRYBABY                                  $65.00
MORLEY MINI VOL PEDAL  $60.00
TOTAL       $1,355.00                          

spacey


So lets talk money. 

Oh great, no more emotion involved.

ya

DerGeist


That AxeFx list of artists is interesting. I would love to play like any of them but really wouldn't want any of their tones. Dwezil sounded good (at times) when I saw him on Zappa plays Zappa. There are a few I didn't recognize and certainly nobody who I thought had a great sound.
 
If you gave me all of Steve Vai's gear I would sell it it and buy something that didn't make my guitar sound like it was perpetually 1988 :)
 
Put me in the pedalboard camp. Pedaltrain is great.

You know I usually respect most any persons opinion, however I have absolutely none for yours.
I can only believe that you are simply trying to start **** or you actually believe that Steve Vai (and the others) has no idea what tone is. It doesn't matter what equipment he uses or has used in the past.
 
Don't get me wrong. I'm not a Vai fanatic. But I'm no fool. I don't even need to begin describing the impact his
work has had on the world of guitar.
 
I not only find your opinion ridiculous, I find it insulting and embarrassing. Had I been standing along side
you and you made a statement like this in a room full of musicians I would have ran screaming at the top of my lungs that I didn't know you.
 
As a guitarist confronted with such an off the wall opinion about one of the greatest guitarist that I can name
I have to stand up and tell you that you and your opinion discust me.
 
I thought Bill started an excellent thread about a situation that a performing artist can easily find ones self in.
There are many choices to make and suggesting different equipment and ideas should be fun and for some a learning
experience. Those that have chosen to suggest equipment are possibly presenting a piece of equipment that
some have never even heard about. We surely didn't have the oppertunity to mention Keely modifications to classic
effects such as a few of the Boss pedals that are modified by Keely (and offered to the general public) and used by
some of the greatest pickers on the planet - that you so proudly pointed out as sounds of 1988- pffftt. before this started turning south.
 
I could easily understand a person suggesting equipment and a configuration that an artist uses that appeals
very much to them. It would be a positive contribution to a thread like this.
I cannot understand a person that offers nothing but a negative "shot" at not only a monumental guitarist but
also the ones trying to partake and offer positive ideas and knowledge. In fact I despise them. I despise you.
 
I offer no apology for this.....to anybody. But I am sorry that this type of thing happens all to often in a forum and
turns threads that could be great into total BS.
 
 
 
 
 

OK, I forgive everyone.

Well, maybe not Mooch, but that's another thread for another time.

It upsets me to think that I have upset you by running my mouth.

I'll listen to a bunch of those clips tomorrow.

In the meantime... take care and all the best!
mike