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I'm considering...

Recently, I started looking at an alternative for my old strat which I don't seem to enjoy playing all that much these days. I've come prefer the ergonomics on my Les Paul (something I never thought I'd say), particularly for my picking hand. The Gibson style bridge just feel more comfortable.
 
I'm happy w/ Les Pauls but I thought it'd be nice to add something to my collection which would combine a bit of both the strat and the LP's strengths. Meaning a set neck, a tune-o-matic bridge and that big sound coupled w/ better access to higher frets and a smoother body shape. So the most obvious option is an SG. Admittedly, I'm a fairly "classic" guy.
 
As far as I can remember I've had a strange relation w/ SG's. I love some things about them but some other things just put me off. One very basic thing was that, I never saw one the worked for me on an aesthetic level, one that caught my eye and made me go "wow". The classic red is fine, but nothing to write home about I felt - and a bit too common, maybe. I don't know. All black doesn't work either, much to my surprise. I've seen a few natural. Not bad, but again, not necessarily anything that would turn my head.
 
So two days ago I was in bed trying to catch some sleep and I started thinking about my favorite color scheme for guitars - black and ivory, just like my LP. I'd never seen a SG like that, but I figured it should be pretty simple to buy a black one and just replace the plastic parts. I woke up the next day and started looking for pics on the internet and found this one:
 

 
Replace the knobs w/ my favorite amber top hat ones, and that's relatively close to the guitar I'm thinking of.
 
So that's an idea I'm toying w/ as my birthday is getting closer. Buying a little Epiphone G400 Pro and modify it.
 
 
The one thing that potentially wouldn't work w/ that is that the pickguard and the plastic piece between the neck and the pick up on the G400 are two individual pieces, unlike the one above w/ the smaller pick ups. Anyone, so far, I couldn't find a pick guard similar to the one above, w/ that extra part.
 

 
 
It's easy to find replacement for the pickguard, but not so much for the part between the neck and pick up. Off to Google "little plastic part between neck pick up SG"... :P Worst case, I could keep that part as is and replace the rest. No biggie. 
 
Anyway, that's one option.
 
I've also checked the "faded" series. That's a twist on the traditional cherry and natural finishes that I could dig. And even if I dig the classic look, I may actually prefer the Grover tuners on the faded to the Wilkinson tulips on the regular G400.
 
Unfortunately, there seems to be lots of changes from one year of production to another and I'm not sure the currently available ones are the best yet.  They seem to have lost the binding on the neck on the cherry one - which I loved. The color itself is now much closer to natural than cherry. At that rate, I might as well pick up the natural one.
 
All in all, I'm really considering this would be like a secondary guitar, next to my LP. Otherwise, I might have waited a bit and grabbed the Gibson SGJ for $600, which look awesome - the white one looks terrific -  but that's not the kind of money I want to or can spend on a second guitar. When I put the money on a Gibson, hopefully, it'll be a genuine Les Paul. 
 
I know I seem to put the focus on looks - but it'd be hard to discuss playability, that's something you see when you actually play the guitar. My Epiphone LP was actually the first Les Paul I felt comfortable playing - moreso than any Gibson I've played. As for sound, well. not only is it a matter of taste but there are so many variables - plus, you can switch those pick-ups anyway...
 
Anyway, I guess I ain't got any particular question, though any feedback from SG owners or even SG haters is welcome. If anyone has a name for that little plastic part, feel free to let me know. :P
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    Leadfoot
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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/24 18:55:59 (permalink)
    I'm not sure what it's called. I have a 1978 SG and the neck pickup is right up against the neck.
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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/24 19:24:34 (permalink)
    The SG is one of the few classic models I've never owned...tho my best friend had one back in the seventies that had the skinniest neck I'd ever felt on a Gibson that I dearly loved and coveted. Natch...he wishes he had it back now too. I always heard that for road worthiness SGs were problematic due to neck joint instability. Could be just a wives tale. I mean, look what Angus did with his.

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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/24 19:50:17 (permalink)
    Yeah, Angus and Tony Iommi have carried them around for a few decades and the guitars seem to have survived. But for some reasons, SGs kind of look fragile. That being said, I'm more of a studio kind of guy now and my guitar beating days are way behind. Incidentally, I believe no guitar takes a beating like a strat. :P
     
    A good friend of mine had an SG bass which I loved - easiest bass I've ever played. I'm anxious to find an SG guitar that'll work as well for me.

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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/24 20:42:54 (permalink)
    Actually I think I wait until the 2014 models start to come out  (when around Sept. - Oct. ??).

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EDTHSBNH3/

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ENCTSBNH/

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EGG6TSNH3/

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EGGPEBNH
     
    And actually I do not know what you want in a guitar, and the choice is up to you.
    TV Silver - now there's something different.
     
    I guess I left one out:
    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ENCTTSNH3
     
    Anyway I like the Les Paul Black-Silver one the best. But many other guitars there also or around on the Internet.
    Bunches of guitars.

     
     
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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/24 21:17:31 (permalink)
    I can tell you I've had my SG for 30 years now and it's been flawless through the years of gigging and now that I'm studio bound it's still the workhorse it's always been for me.
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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/24 22:38:56 (permalink)
    DO IT!!!

     
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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/24 23:17:42 (permalink)
    Wife seems to like the black one and the idea of making a few cosmetic changes, so that pretty much settles it I think... ;)
     
    Al - I saw those silver ones in my newsfeed but I'm usually more into traditional stuff. In fact, w/ the exception of a sunburst Les Paul that I'm dreaming of, it's pretty much black and white/ivory.
     

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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/25 00:31:54 (permalink)
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    Wife seems to like the black one and the idea of making a few cosmetic changes, so that pretty much settles it I think... ;)


    Perhaps a blood-red pick guard?  Hehe...

     
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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/25 12:02:59 (permalink)
    It's been a long time since I've held a SG.
    I know in the past I was never comfortable holding
    one. I didn't take the time to understand why.
     
    I know more about guitars now and could probably quickly
    know exactly what it is that I'm not comfortable with but until
    then I thick the reason is the narrow body...not very thick. I had a L5S that
    I didn't care for and I think it was for the same reason.
     
     
    I also think it should have been a neck-through design.
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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/25 15:26:36 (permalink)
    The thin body is a thing that I keep in mind and which could potentially work against it, at least initially. In fact, that was another thing rolling in the back of my head while I couldn't sleep - if only they made thicker SGs... 
     
    That's the next step - trying a couple of them and see how they feel. Who knows? I have this little LP Junior which is pretty thin and I still dig it. 

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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/25 16:57:06 (permalink)
    If your wife plays at all, she'll love the SG.  It's a huge favorite of female players and I've got two friends with wives that own SG's (one doesn't play at all and it bugs him when we start talking in a language he doesn't understand - lol).

     
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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/25 17:10:37 (permalink)
    Funny you mention that because I just sent my wife a link to a little SG Bass minutes ago! She wants to play bass - she isn't really into learning guitar.

     
    She dropped by Guitar Center on her way back 2 days ago and came this close to grabbing a short scale Mustang, but her mind wasn't 100% made up.
     
    I'll be playing it too, and personally, I'd also like to consider those Ibanez that a few folks around here suggest. In terms of playability, as I mentioned earlier, my favorite bass ever was a Gibson SG so that would have been my potential first choice - but sonically, back then at least, I wasn't totally convinced by that single neck pick up. I'd probably hear it differently these days, but still, I'm not sure it'd be as versatile as I'd want it to be. Because I am thinking in terms of recording.
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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/25 17:43:51 (permalink)
    I've owned the bass you are showing and it was great to play. The Epiphone pickup is built just like the vintage Gibson EBO pickup. The one drawback is that they are very dark sounding. Great for covering Bob Marley tunes but lacking bite.
     
    I have been wanting an SG since I was a kid and have never found the perfect one. Most of my searching has been for a cherry 63 model, but I have started to look at new production as a more practical option. When I was last in the music store they had an incredible Epi SG on display and I encourage you to check it out before you buy. It's part of a korina series that Epi did. Same finish as a korina flying V and light as a butterfly. Nice meaty neck that doesn't feel like a noodle when playing it. The one I looked at had gold hardware and white plastic.
     
    As with most Epi products, I find the electronics could be improved but are very usable out of the box. Happy hunting.

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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/25 18:40:42 (permalink)
    Why do I think that "dark sounding" won't be a drawback for Rain or his wife?

     
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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/25 18:57:48 (permalink)
    Thanks for the input, John.
     
    For a long time I've stuck w/ strat, for a couple of reasons, one of them being that I couldn't find a Les Paul that felt right. Even when I started showing interest for the model again, every single one I tried including the expensive ones were not it. The Epiphone LP I tried because a sales guy at Sam Ash insisted, I was there to buy yet another strat. I was sold on the spot.
     
    But I've also had bad experiences w/ Epiphones - one Flying V a dozen of years ago in particular -  I couldn't believe it made it out of the factory.
     
    Anyway, I always give them a fair try. W/ the SG, I have all the more reasons because it's totally different. As for the rest, well, I can always upgrade it. 
     
    Craig - LOL. More seriously, they make one w/ another pick up closer to the bridge. But it isn't a short scale, unfortunately.

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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/25 22:08:53 (permalink)
    Here you  may find out, although being there is different.
     
    Get a Nighthawk, well, I don't think Epiphone makes one as of yet. ?? Don't know, did not see it.

    http://forum.gibson.com/

    http://www.sweetwater.com...php?s=gibson+nighthawk
     
    Maybe a used one perhaps.
     
    Epiphone Genesis Reissue
    http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/81917-epiphone-genesis-reissue-review-demo/
     
    ??
     
    Maybe just joking also.
     
     
     
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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/25 22:48:10 (permalink)
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    Craig - LOL. More seriously, they make one w/ another pick up closer to the bridge. But it isn't a short scale, unfortunately.



    It's interesting, because Epiphone calls the current model an "EB-3", which technically was the name of the Gibson short scale version. The long scale version was called an "EB-3L". Getting the naming wrong is a really dumb thing to do for a number of reasons. 
     
    And I could be wrong, but my foggy memory seems to remember that Epi made both EB-3 and EB-3L models a few years back.

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    Re: I'm considering... 2013/06/25 23:03:23 (permalink)
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    Here you  may find out, although being there is different.
     
    Get a Nighthawk, well, I don't think Epiphone makes one as of yet. ?? Don't know, did not see it.

    http://forum.gibson.com/

    http://www.sweetwater.com...php?s=gibson+nighthawk
     
    Maybe a used one perhaps.
     
    Epiphone Genesis Reissue
    http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/81917-epiphone-genesis-reissue-review-demo/
     
    ??
     
    Maybe just joking also.
     
     
     




    I've seen both the Genesis and the Nighthawk by Epiphone.
     
    To be honest, I've always been more inclined to buy 20 of the same model than one of each. It's pretty wild and daring for me to even think about trying something other than a Les Paul, but I'm just too curious to try an SG. 
     
    But maybe someday I'll be brave enough to take it one step further and try other models like the Nighthawk. I also thought of a Flying V - as impractical as they can be.
     
    In such a case, it's very likely that I'll try to find one that's black and ivory. I really have a fascination for duplicates and series.
     
     
    Drew - thank for the info! I'll look that up. Who knows - maybe I'll stumble upon a deal on a second hand short scale/non-L EB-3

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