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I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz

I don't do any recording (i.e. with microphones) -- just strictly work with VSTs and MIDI in Sonar X1. I'm currently using the generic USB audio out interface (with ASIO4ALL), which is fine, but only goes up to 24-bit/48khz. Also, I'm a purist, so I want to continue using my Headroom Desktop amp, which has built-in DAC (that supports 24-bit/96Khz via spdif input).

So the solution I'm looking for won't introduce any analogue audio between X1 and my headphone amp. 

Will something like this work:

1) Get audio interface that supports 24/96 (e.g. m-audio fast track pro).
2) Connect computer USB out to audio interface USB in.
3) Connect audio interface spdif out to my DAC spdif in.
4) In Sonar, set audio to 24/96.

Any recommendations?

Thanks!
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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/15 18:12:29 (permalink)
    your headphone amp has spdif etc ? 

    otherwise you will introduce it.


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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/15 18:21:39 (permalink)
    What do you expect to get with a 96 khz sample rate? Are your ears that good? Meaning you can hear frequencies beyond 20 khz? 

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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/15 19:16:56 (permalink)
    the roland quadcapture is quite nice imo
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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/15 21:35:05 (permalink)
    i have a vs700r i will sell you for $1400. comes wih the original box.

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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/15 22:00:57 (permalink)
    If you don't do any recording with live mic's or guitars, there's no reason to shoot for 96kHz. UNLESS ... that is what the output of your synths and vst's is. If your synths and samples are only 48kHz/24bit, you'll gain nothing by using 96kHz/24bit.

    There's a lot of good reason to record at 96kHz and higher if you are doing any kind of live work. Biggest reason is the higher your sample rate, the lower your latency. Essential for guitar work.

    As for which interface ... it's hard to say. I think now is a bad time to buy an interface with Windows 8 right around the corner. If there's any problems with Windows 7 drivers, they may not get updated going forward, and if you are planning on using Windows 8, there may not be drivers available for it when the time comes to switch.

    It's not a good time to upgrade or make a purchase right now in my opinion.

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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/15 22:20:33 (permalink)
    If you don't do any (or much) recording then why not M-Audio Fast Track? You don't even have to go for the Pro...the 400 or 800 would do. I have a Fast Track 400 and it's great. 
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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/15 22:34:53 (permalink)
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    What do you expect to get with a 96 khz sample rate? Are your ears that good? Meaning you can hear frequencies beyond 20 khz? 

    I don't know if my ears are that good. I figure that 96 khz is around for a reason, especially since people are paying for it.
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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/15 22:36:28 (permalink)
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    If you don't do any recording with live mic's or guitars, there's no reason to shoot for 96kHz. UNLESS ... that is what the output of your synths and vst's is. If your synths and samples are only 48kHz/24bit, you'll gain nothing by using 96kHz/24bit.

    There's a lot of good reason to record at 96kHz and higher if you are doing any kind of live work. Biggest reason is the higher your sample rate, the lower your latency. Essential for guitar work.

    As for which interface ... it's hard to say. I think now is a bad time to buy an interface with Windows 8 right around the corner. If there's any problems with Windows 7 drivers, they may not get updated going forward, and if you are planning on using Windows 8, there may not be drivers available for it when the time comes to switch.

    It's not a good time to upgrade or make a purchase right now in my opinion.

    Thanks for the advice Bub. My VSTs are 96kHz or better.
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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/15 22:38:04 (permalink)
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    your headphone amp has spdif etc ? 

    otherwise you will introduce it.
    As written: 
    3) Connect audio interface spdif out to my DAC spdif in. 
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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/15 22:39:51 (permalink)
    You're using ASIO4ALL? 

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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/15 22:45:11 (permalink)
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    I don't know if my ears are that good. I figure that 96 khz is around for a reason, especially since people are paying for it.

    Working with 96kHz is advisable for the same reason that working with the highest resolution images possible in Photoshop is. While it's true that the finished product is going to be distributed and experienced in a much lower resolution, processing and mixing will be more accurate, especially if you're time-stretching or pitch-shifting. Why do photographers whose work is going to end up as a .jpg on the web process their photos at the highest possible resolution in RAW?
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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/16 02:01:40 (permalink)
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    You're using ASIO4ALL? 

    To quote my original post:  I'm currently using the generic USB audio out interface (with ASIO4ALL)
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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/16 09:25:41 (permalink)
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    mleghorn

    I don't know if my ears are that good. I figure that 96 khz is around for a reason, especially since people are paying for it.

    Working with 96kHz is advisable for the same reason that working with the highest resolution images possible in Photoshop is. While it's true that the finished product is going to be distributed and experienced in a much lower resolution, processing and mixing will be more accurate, especially if you're time-stretching or pitch-shifting. Why do photographers whose work is going to end up as a .jpg on the web process their photos at the highest possible resolution in RAW?

    And you got that from where?.


    There is no analogy. It simply doesn't work that way. All high sample rates do is increase bandwidth.  

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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/16 10:15:52 (permalink)
    If I'm reading right, you need a USB interface w/ SPdif out, capable of 24/96 out.  I imagine there are a ton of them, all the way from the Hilo Lynx (which you would want to use their headphone out, I imagine).  Browsing Sweetwater, the lowest priced spdif output interface I saw that I would trust was the Roland Quad Capture.  That is about a 10th of the Lynx price ($250).  There are plenty of choices inbetween.
    Also, for the sake of the OP, lets not turn this one into a sample rate thread.  The man wants to work at 96 rate.
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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/16 10:25:01 (permalink)
    I'm currently using the generic USB audio out interface (with ASIO4ALL)



    What exactly is that? USB is not an audio out, its a serial communications port. What do you have plugged into it? 

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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/16 11:32:35 (permalink)
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    I'm currently using the generic USB audio out interface (with ASIO4ALL)



    What exactly is that? USB is not an audio out, its a serial communications port. What do you have plugged into it? 


    I have a USB connection from my computer to the DAC in my headphone amp. Sonar recognizes the driver for it. I think it's called "Generic USB Audio Out" (or something like that). Take any audio device that has a USB input, plug it into a Windows 7 computer, and Windows will use the same USB Audio Out" to "talk" to the audio device. Windows sends digital to the device, and the device usually has a DAC to convert it to audio. The Behringer UCA222 works exactly as my headphone DAC/AMP, i.e. I can plug the UCA222 into my computer USB, and Sonar doesn't care -- to Sonar, it's a USB audio device that uses the generic driver. I hope that makes sense. I know that my explanation is a bit long, and people tend to read ever third word, so I'm bracing myself for more cross-examination.

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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/16 11:38:02 (permalink)
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    If I'm reading right, you need a USB interface w/ SPdif out, capable of 24/96 out.  I imagine there are a ton of them, all the way from the Hilo Lynx (which you would want to use their headphone out, I imagine).  Browsing Sweetwater, the lowest priced spdif output interface I saw that I would trust was the Roland Quad Capture.  That is about a 10th of the Lynx price ($250).  There are plenty of choices inbetween.
    Also, for the sake of the OP, lets not turn this one into a sample rate thread.  The man wants to work at 96 rate.
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    Yes, that's what I want. Thanks for the recommendation. 
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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/16 12:00:46 (permalink)
    Is Tascam stuff trustworthy? They make cheaper USB units that are 96hz.

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      Tascam has a reputation for sub-par drivers. Also if you are looking to update to Win 8 when it comes out I would go with the Roland. They have been very reliable with new drivers.

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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/16 14:04:23 (permalink)
    Fast Track Ultra can be picked up used for 100 to 200 depending on where you look, you can even get one new... 24/96 just like you want... It also has spdif - rca style. They are fine units for what you are doing, they may even be a touch of overkill.

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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/16 14:26:02 (permalink)
    USB connection from my computer to the DAC in my headphone amp. Sonar recognizes the driver for it. I think it's called "Generic USB Audio Out" (or something like that)



    This sounds to me like the weak link in the chain. Get yourself a pro quality soundcard like an M-Audio or MOTU that have drivers meant for this kind of work. I don't really know much about this Headroom Desktop amp, but you're the first I've seen in this forum using one. 

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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/17 02:01:14 (permalink)
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    USB connection from my computer to the DAC in my headphone amp. Sonar recognizes the driver for it. I think it's called "Generic USB Audio Out" (or something like that)



    This sounds to me like the weak link in the chain. Get yourself a pro quality soundcard like an M-Audio or MOTU that have drivers meant for this kind of work. I don't really know much about this Headroom Desktop amp, but you're the first I've seen in this forum using one. 

    It's the heart and soul of my audio system. The Headroom Desktop amp goes for $849, and you can get it from here:  http://www.headphone.com/headphone-amps/headroom-desktop-amp.php. I'm an "audiofile", so I don't bother with inferior sound from headphone jacks in audio interfaces that you buy at Guitar Center or Sweetwater. To compliment the Desktop amp, I use Sennheiser 850s. 
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    Out of curiosity: do you mix with headphones? 
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    DONT get anything thats M-Audio. They cant write drivers for Toffee.

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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/17 13:19:38 (permalink)
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    Out of curiosity: do you mix with headphones? 

    Yes I do. It's not ideal. I've taken my CDs to other places to hear them on various systems. Bass is my main blind spot with my current setup. Having a good speaker system setup would be the remedy for that.
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    DONT get anything thats M-Audio. They cant write drivers for Toffee.

    M experience has been quite the opposite. I've worked w/ m-audio interfaces for over 12 years now (Delta and Fast Track, on PC and on Mac). In 12 years, I've had to roll back drivers ONCE for the Delta, in late 2004 I think. 


    Just saying...

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    Re:I'm looking for an audio interface so I can work/monitor/mix with 24bit/96kz 2012/08/17 13:34:54 (permalink)
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    Out of curiosity: do you mix with headphones? 

    Yes I do. It's not ideal. I've taken my CDs to other places to hear them on various systems. Bass is my main blind spot with my current setup. Having a good speaker system setup would be the remedy for that.

    I have the same problem, in that I live in an apartment building in which I have to think of neighbors (loud music is one thing, quite another to have the same 4 bars on loop for 10 minutes at a time!). I do try and check mixes on speakers as often as possible, during the day if I have time. But it's quite possible to mix on headphones once you get to know them. I just wondered also if it's necessary to have audiophile listening requirements for doing mixes, particularly if they're going to end up being played on sub-audiophile equipment. I have a pair of Grado SR80's coming straight out of my M-Audio Fast Track and they're great, although I always have to make allowances for bass because they're relatively light in that area. Have you tried the Redline Monitor plugin for mixing on headphones? It's not a miracle worker, but I do find that it helps tremendously. My 60 day trial just ran out and I'm seriously considering buying it:  http://www.112db.com/redline/monitor/
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    + 1 for Redline Monitor if you have to work w/ headphones. I use it all the time.

    I've also heard great things about TB Isone.

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    I am so jealous!

    Ever since I got my Delta 1010 I have had nothing but issues with the drivers....(Win 7 64 bit)

    Now I cant work in anything other than 44.1 no matter what driver I use (no way I am going to re-install windows either).. Also I have that nasty M-Audio problem of random audio stopping and having to kill the windows audio service and restart it.

    Also, it says on the site its a 64 bit driver but when you look at what processes are running you can clearly see that its running in 32bit.

    I regret the day I ever got the blasted thing.
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    DONT get anything thats M-Audio. They cant write drivers for Toffee.

    M experience has been quite the opposite. I've worked w/ m-audio interfaces for over 12 years now (Delta and Fast Track, on PC and on Mac). In 12 years, I've had to roll back drivers ONCE for the Delta, in late 2004 I think. 


    Just saying...




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