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2018/04/04 14:14:48 (permalink)

I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar....

REAPER. 
 
Cost me $60 more than Sonar, but it was worth it. 

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/04 14:45:22 (permalink)
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REAPER. 
 
Cost me $60 more than Sonar, but it was worth it. 




Reaper is impressive.  I did a deep dive period and couldn't find a thing to complain about.  I'm deep diving Studio One for a while now.
 

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/04 15:04:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Jarsve 2018/04/18 16:45:32
Yeah Reaper is the most powerful and well designed DAW I've ever used. 
 
However I'm guessing the $60 price tag sells a lot of licenses among people who want to get into producing music without a large outlay. If Sonar is now free, it might take some of Reaper's market share. Especially as on the surface, Sonar has a shallower learning curve. 

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/04 15:26:04 (permalink)
I doubt there will be any harm to Reaper.  They really are two totally different worlds

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/04 17:59:45 (permalink)
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REAPER.
Cost me $60 more than Sonar, but it was worth it.


I've always felt like Reaper's price worked against it.  I think, rightly or wrongly, people associate price with value.  IMHO if Reaper were priced like other DAW's it would be highly esteemed.  As it is I feel like it gets dismissed out of hand.  Sad.

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/04 18:25:29 (permalink)
It's not the price that kills Reaper.  Reaper is the best made DAW sans GUI there ever was.
 
A drop dead beautiful interface, something that did not look like, "Audacity's" cousin from Fargo..   would have gone a
long way to making Reaper one of the most popular daws ever.
 
But I have a license to Reaper.  I dunno why..  cause it was only $60.   Nobody ever said that Justin was stupid.  He's like the nicest dude.  He responds to the support emails - or at least still did back years ago the last time I needed help with something.  

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/04 20:32:59 (permalink)
I am officially dumping Sonar today. Giving it away just makes pirates look like visionaries. Anderton was applauding this move but he always said pirates were killing the industry. What a steaming pile this has become. 

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/04 21:27:03 (permalink)
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I doubt there will be any harm to Reaper.  They really are two totally different worlds




This is why I use them in conjunction with each other.
 
Also, howdy.
 
The Rect is working fabulously for my rhythm guit plan. So much so I reconfig'd my mix to only have a single rth guit soft panned (instead of doubled and hard panned) against the lead guit track.
 
Can't thank you enough.
 
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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/04 23:52:56 (permalink)
Just did a bunch of things for a friend in Reaper that could have not been done in anything else without introducing deterioration and artifacts. Heathen christian shifting previous CD tracks of missionary songs to the Solfeggio reference to get everybody healed and washed in the blood. Can do it in Reaper with no deterioration since Reaper controls the computer clock and requires no resampling in a pitch shift. Nothing else currently can do this task. Nothing.
 
GUI and price comments are correct. Sell Reaper for $400 dollars and it will be up there with whatever.
GUI of the included effects mostly a chuckle, specific with the Jesusonic plugs native to the install. Idea is if Jesus were alive now and a guitar banger, what quality of plugins would he expect. Thus the JS line. Really interesting things. Bare bones footprint and you can easily edit the text files to tweak or create your own plug.
 
Downside from the aesthetic point is that the stripped down JS plugs are butt ugly. Just some sliders. Same appearance JS to JS and only a step above DOS.
 
Many users have written hi class cloaks for some of the JS plugs, a top quality flanger glowing like a 1950's Cadillac, really elegant. Now the JS plug is up there with the best professional commercial products. Not because it works better but because it looks better.
 
Reaper is way more cool than cool if you can get past some of the looks that turn off so many.
 
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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/05 03:37:14 (permalink)
Personally I quite like the look of Reaper. Like many I always thought it looked ugly, but that's mainly down to how it looks when you load it with a blank project. In truth though, once you get a large project in there with all the tracks color coded and everything, it looks great. Even with the default theme. I think it looks very clean and orderly. True some of the dialogs and windows have that old Windows look about them, but their functionality is so much better than in Sonar that I don't even care. The automation parameter selection window for instance. It's like the answer to my dreams, even though it looks kinda no-frills. 
 
The look of the native plugins don't bother me because I don't use them. However I have used a couple of the MIDI plugins and the sequencer. The sequencer looks kinda ugly to be honest, but in functionality it's right up there with Geist! I love it! 

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/05 03:45:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Kamikaze 2018/04/05 10:32:23
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I am officially dumping Sonar today. Giving it away just makes pirates look like visionaries. Anderton was applauding this move but he always said pirates were killing the industry. What a steaming pile this has become. 




Don't understand your animosity to the freebie thing at all. There is nothing "piratey" about giving it away. The salient feature of piracy is that you're taking a paid product and stealing it. Bandlab is doing nothing of that description. They see in Sonar a way to draw people into their other revenue streams. And why not? Sonar was not competing well at all in the "conventional" DAW market. Bandlab has likely hit upon the only way to make it financially viable to develop, and they have likely increased its potential user base tenfold. The more people are using Sonar, the better it is for everyone involved. Sonar starts getting noticed. More tutorial videos come out for it. The user base creates revenue for Bandlab, who then have more money to develop Sonar. There will be more polish, more bug fixes, and it will likely turn into a pretty healthy DAW with a reputation. Its user base will get younger. Plugin developers will concentrate more on supporting Sonar. It's probably about the only chance it will get to survive. 

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/05 04:00:38 (permalink)
I am reserving my final judgement for after I get off my duff and figure out WTF(udge) just happened.
 
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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/05 04:46:31 (permalink)
I took a year and a half sojourn with Reaper, paid the 60.00 license fee. To this day, the orchestral project I did with it is the best sounding piece I have done, but that's probably because the others were all done in Sonar 8.5 or earlier. Now that I have an up to date version of sonar, hopefully I can match that. But Reaper is indeed impressive. It's the only DAW besides Sonar I can use. Sonar's workflow is just easier for me.
 
Reaper devs are working on a Linux version. If they ever get it to the point where it works with Windows VSTs, it will be extremely tempting. I am on Windows only because of music. I use Linux for everything else. I'm even fooling around with a BSD system. But for many folks, it will soon be possible to do on Linux what they now do with Reaper on Windows, and that is amazing. Those guys are geniuses.

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/05 07:49:02 (permalink)
If Cakewalk went to the Linux OS I would drop windows so fast, I love Linux and the only beef I've got with Reaper is the overloaded drop-down menus etc.. It's a great program but it takes a lot of navigation to figure out simple tasks.

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/05 10:36:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby sharke 2018/04/05 14:19:33
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I am officially dumping Sonar today. Giving it away just makes pirates look like visionaries. Anderton was applauding this move but he always said pirates were killing the industry. What a steaming pile this has become. 


Why did you install it 10 hours later then then?
http://forum.cakewalk.com/New-Bandlab-version-will-mess-with-your-Platinum-install-m3745012.aspx
 
 

 
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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/05 11:02:21 (permalink)
Just so he could have a moan about it? 
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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/05 13:16:45 (permalink)
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I took a year and a half sojourn with Reaper, paid the 60.00 license fee. To this day, the orchestral project I did with it is the best sounding piece I have done, but that's probably because the others were all done in Sonar 8.5 or earlier. Now that I have an up to date version of sonar, hopefully I can match that. But Reaper is indeed impressive. It's the only DAW besides Sonar I can use. Sonar's workflow is just easier for me.
 



How does the DAW affect the sound of the project, in your opinion, if you have used the same interface and same third party virtual instruments or live instruments?? Are the FX and other VSTs so much better in Reaper? Sounds hard to believe.
Or did a nicer workflow lead to a better results? I've always taken it for a 99,9% fact that there's no way you can tell the sound of different DAWs from each other.

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/05 13:51:18 (permalink)
Loving Reaper, could care less about the new free cake
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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/05 14:24:25 (permalink)
S.L.I.P.
Loving Reaper, could care less about the new free cake


So you care a bit then?

 
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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/05 19:17:13 (permalink)
Post deleted while editing, but to your point Kalle, I can't explain why my piece sounded better in Reaper. It could be that a different workflow forced me to do some things differently, and that somehow resulted in better sound.

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/05 19:25:43 (permalink)
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Post deleted while editing, but to your point Kalle, I can't explain why my piece sounded better in Reaper. It could be that a different workflow forced me to do some things differently, and that somehow resulted in better sound.




 
I think it was miracle.  Miracle happen, especially when working with audio.  I would chalk up all your better result to the enigma that is the universe

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/05 20:26:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Voda La Void 2018/04/06 13:19:39
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I am officially dumping Sonar today. Giving it away just makes pirates look like visionaries. Anderton was applauding this move but he always said pirates were killing the industry. What a steaming pile this has become. 


Why did you install it 10 hours later then then?
http://forum.cakewalk.com/New-Bandlab-version-will-mess-with-your-Platinum-install-m3745012.aspx
 


SImple answer. I installed it because I still need Sonar to finish a project I've been working on for over a year. It has been made clear that joining up with Bandlab was the only way I could assure a link to all my legacy software. As soon as this project is done it comes off the system. Until then Meng the merciless has me by the short hairs.
 
Now go stalk somebody else.

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/05 20:50:14 (permalink)
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Post deleted while editing, but to your point Kalle, I can't explain why my piece sounded better in Reaper. It could be that a different workflow forced me to do some things differently, and that somehow resulted in better sound.




 
I think it was miracle.  Miracle happen, especially when working with audio.  I would chalk up all your better result to the enigma that is the universe


When I first used Presonus Studio after CW crashed and burned I thought PS sounded "better" than CW.  Recently, I had to open an old project in CW.  When I did I thought it sounded "better" than Presonus!!  I wonder if I switched to Reaper now how it would sound? 

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/06 00:50:51 (permalink)
Considering the bugs the quirks, the inconsistencies, the flakiness etc etc etc, I still think they are asking to much for SONAR/Cakewalk By Bandlab, but it is closer to being the right price, if they would give it to you for free and also slip $100 in your pocket I'd say that's a fair deal

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/06 01:06:29 (permalink)
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Considering the bugs the quirks, the inconsistencies, the flakiness etc etc etc, I still think they are asking to much for SONAR/Cakewalk By Bandlab, but it is closer to being the right price, if they would give it to you for free and also slip $100 in your pocket I'd say that's a fair deal




Fascinating.
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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/06 04:54:46 (permalink)
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Now go stalk somebody else.






 
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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/06 13:25:03 (permalink)
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Simple answer. I installed it because I still need Sonar to finish a project I've been working on for over a year. It has been made clear that joining up with Bandlab was the only way I could assure a link to all my legacy software. As soon as this project is done it comes off the system. Until then Meng the merciless has me by the short hairs.
 
Now go stalk somebody else.



Question...how about Azlow's tool to pull Cakewalk projects in Reaper?  I haven't used it yet, which is partly why I'm asking.  
 
I have no intention of downloading and installing this free version of Cakewalk at all.  It's Reaper all the way.  It's not even a contest anymore.   

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/06 13:44:17 (permalink)
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I doubt there will be any harm to Reaper.  They really are two totally different worlds




This is why I use them in conjunction with each other.
 
Also, howdy.
 
The Rect is working fabulously for my rhythm guit plan. So much so I reconfig'd my mix to only have a single rth guit soft panned (instead of doubled and hard panned) against the lead guit track.
 
Can't thank you enough.
 
Cheers!




I'm glad it's working well for you, Beep.  No need for more thanks, it was a dupe for me.

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/06 21:16:14 (permalink)
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Considering the bugs the quirks, the inconsistencies, the flakiness etc etc etc, I still think they are asking to much for SONAR/Cakewalk By Bandlab, but it is closer to being the right price, if they would give it to you for free and also slip $100 in your pocket I'd say that's a fair deal




Fascinating.


Agreed - though in an utterly predictable, stale, repetitive and tiresome kind of way. 

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Re: I'm now using a pricey alternative to Sonar.... 2018/04/14 17:21:45 (permalink)
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Considering the bugs the quirks, the inconsistencies, the flakiness etc etc etc, I still think they are asking to much for SONAR/Cakewalk By Bandlab, but it is closer to being the right price, if they would give it to you for free and also slip $100 in your pocket I'd say that's a fair deal


Man your tough ... really would hate doing business with you :)

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