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2013/09/13 12:53:17 (permalink)

Importing a midi file X1 Essential

I can't import a midi file (has about 10 tracks in it).  Need help.  
 
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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/13 12:55:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby debb 2013/09/13 13:20:22
Try opening the file instead of importing it.
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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/13 13:04:39 (permalink)
Tried it.  Nothing shows up on the screen.
 
I also tried INSERTING it.   Nothing showed up on the screen.
 
I know it was installed properly.  It was done by a Cake tech.
 
 
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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/13 13:32:10 (permalink)
Be sure you are looking at the right place. It could be loaded further down in the project.

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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/13 13:56:55 (permalink)
The midi file is fine. I still can't hear sound. I got to the soft synths and chose LE.
No sound.  
 
Then selected FULL ACOUSTIC BASS.
No sound.
 
Very frustrated.
 
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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/13 15:31:40 (permalink)
Is there a video  showing how to use the soft synths.
Spent hours with the written documentation.  
 
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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/13 15:51:34 (permalink)
It's not all that hard.. since you're working with a pre-made midi file, it is best to start off using the TTS-1 synth - later on, you can experiment with other, non GM synths. You add the TTS-1 synth in the Browser window. In the Track view, set each track to go to the TTS-1 synth. Set each track to a different midi channel.
 

Lastly create one audio track. Set it to source fomr the TTS-1 synth. Set the tracks output to your audio device.

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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/13 16:26:59 (permalink)
Thanks for your reply!
 
The midi file I'm using (I made it myself long ago) has about 10 tracks in it.  
I tried to change it to TTS-1 and think I did, but when I see the mixer and click the note
at the bottom, I still hear no sound.  Maybe the basic settings are screwed up?
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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/13 23:27:18 (permalink)
OK, but you have to set the output of each MIDI track to the TTS-1. Just press CTRL-A to select all tracks, then hold down the CTRL key and select the TTS-1 in the output of one of the tracks and they'll all change.

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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/13 23:41:36 (permalink)
No that is broken Dave. Its a bug and has been confirmed. When you open a MIDI file global output wont work. It has to be done one track at a time. A work around is to save the project and it may work when it is reopened. 

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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/14 00:37:06 (permalink)
The midi file I made has 10 tracks on it.  Are you saying that it can't be imported as is? 
 
That'd be a horror to have to save each track and then import it.   Or am I confused about the directions?
 
Is there a video that might explain this for the direction-impaired folks like me? 
 
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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/14 00:48:45 (permalink)
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but when I see the mixer and click the note at the bottom, I still hear no sound.  Maybe the basic settings are screwed up?



When you inserted the TTS-1 did you let SONAR create the first audio output track? If not, you need to insert an audio track and set it's input to the TTS-1. The track receives the output of the synth and routes the signal it to the Master bus, and from there to the Main outs on the audio interface.

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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/14 10:55:59 (permalink)
He said he clicks the TTS-1 and gets no sound from the preview,,, If that is happening then this is a audio output routng issue, not input to the tts-1. 
My guess is the TTS_1 meters are moving when  the file plays. 
 
Check the TTS-1 output is set to your Master and that your Master is set to your interfaces outputs that are connected to your monitor system. 
 
I don't use x series but with 8.5 I never import. Always OPEN You will loose data like tempo from the original. I have a 100 or more old tracks of mine from my Atari days.
 
 
The tracks will retain the channel assignments and PG patchs. 
 
I then insert the TTS-1 ( good starting point for now) 
 
CTRL A to select all tracks
 
Then in 8.5 it is top menu - TRACKS / PROPERTIES / OUTPUTS/ MIDI you then select the TTS-1. This just saves doing them one at a time. 
 
If you return to the same menu you can also set OUTPUTS/ AUDIO to "master" 
 
of course this is probably different in X series but I would (hope) it's similar. 
 
 
 

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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/14 11:12:19 (permalink)
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No that is broken Dave. Its a bug and has been confirmed. When you open a MIDI file global output wont work. It has to be done one track at a time. A work around is to save the project and it may work when it is reopened. 


John, I just tried it on a MIDI (.MID) file with 19 MIDI tracks. I inserted the TTS-1. Then on the first track I held down the CTRL key and selected the TTS-1 as the output and all of the MIDI tracks changed their outputs to the TTS-1. I didn't even have to select the tracks. 

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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/14 15:58:21 (permalink)
Was that imported or loaded Dave?

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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/14 19:19:30 (permalink)
Thanks. I'm taking notes. Much appreciated!  :)
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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/14 22:19:30 (permalink)
John
Was that imported or loaded Dave?




File-Open. 

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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/14 23:04:17 (permalink)
Dave you are right. It will work with soft synths. However, it will not work with hardware synths. I Don't use TTS1 as a rule. I have a Roland Sound Canvas for that.   

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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/15 02:59:29 (permalink)
Thanks. I'm taking notes. Much appreciated!
 
I have a hardware synth but am trying to learn software
synths. 
 
Thanks!
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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/15 17:24:12 (permalink)
Debb - You are probably a bit frustrated now, but just hang on a bit.
 
When you imported your MIDI file into X2, all that was imported was the sequencing information.  You need to also load one or more synthesizers to play the midi tracks that you imported. 
 
The TTS-1 synth is a good one to start with as it can play 16 different instruments (patches) at the same time.  The Synth actually creates the sounds, not the MIDI tracks. 
 
The first step after you have your MIDI tracks imported (or loaded or whatever) is to patch each of these tracks to an instrument in the synthesizer.  If you look at the bottom of the inspector view for a MIDI track it should have a dropdown box for output.  If you set this to one of the 16 inputs on TTS-1 it will play that MIDI information to that channel of the TTS-1.
 
On the TTS-1, you will probably need to select the bank and patch.  A bank is a set of up to 127 different instruments(sounds) like piano or trombone.  TTS-1 has about 20 banks of patches.  select a bank (bank 0 is good for starters - preset rythm for drums) and then pick an instrument.  Do this for each of your 10 tracks.  Select a different channel on the TTS-1 for each of these tracks or you will send the notes to the same instrument.
 
Now look at the output for the synthesizer track.  It needs to be set to something that gets to your speakers.  This is usually a bus when you get a little more familiar with things, but for now you can point it directly to the output device (that is assuming of course that you have gotten your hardware configured in Sonar so that it can be accessed).
 
Glen
 
 
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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/17 00:50:41 (permalink)
Thanks. Will try this out as soon as I can ... hopefully by this weekend at least.
 
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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/17 00:50:42 (permalink)
Thanks. Will try this out as soon as I can ... hopefully by this weekend at least.
 
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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/17 00:50:49 (permalink)
Thanks. Will try this out as soon as I can ... hopefully by this weekend at least.
 
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Re: Importing a midi file 2013/09/25 03:30:57 (permalink)
Have had some computer problems, and when resolved, will write more.
 
Thanks again everyone for the suggestions. :)
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