Importing audio: sound is awful

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2017/01/23 19:38:01 (permalink)

Importing audio: sound is awful

I'm trying to import audio WAV files (File --> Import) into tracks in SONAR Producer, and the sound is grossly distorted, as if sampled by a two-bit sampler (pun intended). When I play the audio directly, the sound is fine. This has worked in the past, but I've had to move to a new machine. Any ideas? I'm pretty sure the sample rate (44.1) was the same, though I'll double-check that in the morning. I've been wrestling with this for two hours. Frustrated. Ideas? [Win 10, 64 bit, playback checked via Media Player]
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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/24 09:03:30 (permalink)
    Audio driver buffer set too low?

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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/24 22:20:20 (permalink)
    Turns out the audio is fine when exported from Sonar. So it's a playback problem. It happens on both my 64-bit Win10 machines. The playback audio is broken up and distorted... but when I export either a track or a mix, it's fine. I dug up an old Win7 machine that I'd stopped using, and it worked fine there (same files, transferred as a CWB). I'm using Producer to mix tracks from other sources, so it's not an origination issue, just a playback problem. Ideas?
     
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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/24 23:59:29 (permalink)
    Looped audio?



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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/25 08:57:23 (permalink)
    Cool may be onto something (great ironic handle for a Siberian, btw). Are the imported files straight wav files? Have you tried importing some known straight wave files for comparison (e.g. something you exported from SONAR)?


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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/25 09:38:07 (permalink)
    Neither looped nor stretched. Straight 16-bit 44.1, a dozen instrument tracks plus vocals.
     
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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/25 09:56:58 (permalink)
    What audio interface are you using?
     
    Assuming it has ASIO drivers, are you certain the ASIO buffer isn't set so low it's causing problems?
    As these are new PCs, have you checked for PCI bus latency problems using latencymon?
     
    Finally, what do you mean by "grossly distorted'?

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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/25 10:32:42 (permalink)
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    Turns out the audio is fine when exported from Sonar. So it's a playback problem. It happens on both my 64-bit Win10 machines. The playback audio is broken up and distorted... but when I export either a track or a mix, it's fine. I dug up an old Win7 machine that I'd stopped using, and it worked fine there (same files, transferred as a CWB). I'm using Producer to mix tracks from other sources, so it's not an origination issue, just a playback problem. Ideas?
     


    I'm not trying to be smart arse here but how do you know if the export was ok?
    What are you attempting to play your wav back on?
     
    Try re-importing it back into Sonar, solo it and route it directly to your hardware outputs, bypassing the master buss.
     
    If this sounds fine then the problem is not with SONAR.

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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/25 11:17:51 (permalink)
    I played the export on Media Player and on a Win7 machine with Sonar, both of which sound fine. On the Win10 machines, the sound is broken even when routed directly to the output speakers (headphones). This is a new problem, BTW, since it used to work on one of the machines (the other is a "new" rebuild) about four months ago. By "broken" - it literally sounds like a two-bit rather than 16-bit conversion, full of crackles, no bass, overload distortion, etc. It is plain awful, not audiophile-only-bad. As in worse-than-1960-Cousin-Brucie-transistor-radio bad, like that transistor radio turned up all the way after Link Wray did his thing with the 2" speaker in the radio. No, even worse than that. And as noted, the install on my old Win7 machine is okay.
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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/25 11:19:56 (permalink)
    In response to tlw above, neither Win10 installation is able to find the ASIO drivers, and so they're using (I think) MME - I'm not a driver expert. And I get a funny audio profile saying nothing below 88K (I think) is available.
     
     
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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/25 14:15:48 (permalink)
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    In response to tlw above, neither Win10 installation is able to find the ASIO drivers, and so they're using (I think) MME - I'm not a driver expert. And I get a funny audio profile saying nothing below 88K (I think) is available.
     
     


    that is probably your problem right there. MME is the worst.
    If you were on platinum you could try using (on windows 10) the new WASAPI driver mode. you didn't give enough info about your version. which Sonar Producer ? version ?
     
    try playing with your buffer rate in your preferences/drivers.
    Either way you look at it, if you want good results an audio interface is the way to go.
    if your project is heavy, some plug ins, tracks, its going to bog down using MME. that's the windows driver.
    a cheap used Focusrite soundcard is about under 100 bucks.

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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/25 20:48:54 (permalink)
    MME doth indeed suck, but Win10 seems to have stripped out the ASIO drivers in an update a few months ago, from what I've been able to learn from Microsoft forums. So I'm stuck (at least on the machine I want to use, big ol' Dell tower, which doesn't have a Dell ASIO driver - I haven't checked for my laptop yet). 
     
    The sound goes bad with a single audio track. (The mix has fifteen, but I've tried it with a single track.) I'll play with buffer rates and such. Given that I'm using this only for mixing, I'd rather not invest in a sound card, but I suppose I might. I wonder if an older sound card would work? I have a few lying around.
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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/25 21:01:40 (permalink)
    ASIO drivers work only with ASIO-compatible hardware, not Windows on-board audio. It really is worth getting an audio interface with ASIO support. Otherwise it's like using a Nikon with a scratched lens that's smeared with pizza sauce. It will take a picture, but...

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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/26 07:45:37 (permalink)
    Neither the interface nor its drivers come into play when importing files. They are 44.1 files. Assuming the project sample rate is the same the import should essentially be a file copy operation with no opportunity for distortion. That's why I suggested importing "known good" files as a test.


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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/26 08:01:11 (permalink)
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    Neither the interface nor its drivers come into play when importing files. They are 44.1 files. Assuming the project sample rate is the same the import should essentially be a file copy operation with no opportunity for distortion. That's why I suggested importing "known good" files as a test.


    while I agree with what you are saying, if sonar is using MME with a bad buffer rate, clicks and pops are inevitable.
     

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    Re: Importing audio: sound is awful 2017/01/26 08:32:05 (permalink)
    I used MME successfully for a year or so before buying my first interface.
     
    I think I got something like this...
    http://www.musiciansfrien...p;kwid=productads-adid^156727059247-device^c-plaid^140859209541-sku^250006000000000@ADL4MF-adType^PLA
     
    It was fun because it came with a lot of Line6 Amp Simulations and was also small and easy to throw in the laptop bag. I eventually gave it to a cousin.
     
    I was able to mix with MME, but I couldn't record reliably until I bought an ASIO compatible interface.
     
    I'm posting mostly to let you know that I was able to use MME for my first year or so. My experience was substantially improved by the little interface.

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