Increased BPM by 10 and WOW!

When I'm in doubt about tempo or key, I put Pitchwheel on my master bus and play with the pitch and tempo until I find the groove.
Once I find it, I rerecord accordingly or start the project over again in the new tempo or key.

Yeah, we've added the step of starting at whatever bpm John has been playing the tune, and then go up and down 10. Then we tried 5, and that's where we ended up setting the click, 10bpm faster than the original. Not a big deal, but no sense in wasting takes on the wrong bpm!

Truth be told, I was hoping the discussion would be more about how the tempo increase changed the song..........

That's weird, because I like tempos like 89, 106 or 114. In fact I deliberately stay away from nice round numbers, and never 120, or fractions/multiples thereof.
 
Actually, thinking about it, that explains a lot LOL!

As I write I always record throwaway riff tracks, arrange them, usually record full or almost full versions (again throwaways) then once the structure is down create single comped clips of the final structure.
 
Once that is all written then I convert all the audio tracks to Groove Clips (rhythm guit parts, bass, maybe some rough lead parts... drums are midi but if I were tracking live drums I'd convert those too). Then play with the tempo to get it right at the speed it needs to be.
 
Then those are the bed tracks and I record the pre-finals/finals around them (of course writing all the fancy froo crap like solos, bass runs, drum freakouts, etc around the new structure/tempo).
 
Things always end up getting bump up a few notches tempo-wise (like maybe 10-15) from the original takes. I am however addicted to speed (the musical kind... not amphetimines... I'm spazzy enough by nature without that crap).
 
;-)

charlyg
So, do you have 80 bar groove clips? Be easy, I'm still new....

Yup. If you recorded everything in time and you crank your interface buffers then it should be fine (it is on my system but I built a bit of a powerhouse... mind you it's probably middle of the road now).
 
Remember that I'm talking about only a few scratch tracks so I wouldn't try this on say a project with multitracked drums and 8 guitar parts and tripled bass or whatever. Just for getting the structure/tempo.
 
You may experience some audible "artifacts" due to the Groove Clipping if you stretch them more than 10bpm either way but ignore that until you decide on a tempo then bounce/render the tracks (the offline rendering is very good in SOnar... the "online" rendering is what you will hear initally which causes the weird audible warbles and go away once you bounce). Then, as I said you use those as your beds. MIDI tracks will always follow tempo so don't worry about time stretching those obviously. They will always playback correctly (if your MIDI stuff is set up correctly)
 
And yeah... although I may have been a bit of dillhole to you when you first showed up it was mostly because you seemed curious about stuff but were kind of trying to do all this without studying a little or taking advice. I am quite pleased to see that you are now taking advantage of the massive resource pool and and watching you discover new things daily. Reminds me of when I was first dipping my toes in the Sonar waters a few years ago. Not sure why I fixated on your initial posts but I've been watching. Good jerb and I'll toss you whatever advice I can.
 
Cheers.

Like I said... if you are writing or doing preproduction for previously written material get it recorded to a click with just one track per instrument (bounce down multiple mic tracks like drums to a single file), convert your 4-5 tracks Groove Clips and if your computer is even semi decent you should be able to mess with tempo stuff easily.
 
Wish I had known about this type of thing years ago. Might have been able to get some good/better practice demos for the bands together back in the day.
 
Of course once it's all set how you like re-record for your finals. Pre-production is very important for a successful album. Can take months or even more but it's worth it. It's also very useful if you need to train new members to have recordings like that around. I always appreciated multiple versions of stuff to listen to when I joined new bands.
 
Cheers.

Why do you want to bounce your drum loop? You can leave it as MIDI as long as you want right up until your final export so you can edit the parts in PRV as needed. If you want to conserve computer resources you can just hit the track's Freeze (looks like a snowflake but read up on it in the manual a bit so you know what it does exactly) button and it will be exactly like bouncing it to audio EXCEPT you can hit that Freeze button again and it will turn back into the original MIDI track if you want to edit it again.
 
But if your computer is good enough you should have too hard a time having one MIDI drum track going while you record/mix/etc. I leave my MIDI drums totally active in my projects all the way through until final export.
 
Now if you have a whole bunch of MIDI clips making up that drum track then yeah... you could do "bounce to clips" but all that does is turn all those small MIDI clips into one long MIDI clip which is a lot easier to deal with. When I do that I usually clone and archive the original track then do the Bounce to Clips in the clone (then delete everything EXCEPT the newly bounce clip). That's just as a precaution in case something weird happens when doing the bounce.
 
I just tossed a bunch of useful procedures and terms at you to manage your MIDI drums. You can google search them and or check out the manual to learn more about each. All are useful for managing your MIDI drum tracks though (and tracks in general... you can "Freeze" audio tracks as well to temporarily print effects onto the audio and remove thos eeffects from your computer resources which is useful if you have a lot of effects that are making your computer lag/choke).
 
BUT... unless you have a specific reason to bounce your MIDI drums, don't worry about it. EVen then just hitting the Freeze button will do the same thing except you can reverse it any time you like.
 
Cheers.

Well, I'll spill the beans..... I had a loop for the first section, and when I couldn't figure out how to make it into a groove clip I just built the whole thing in EZD2, and since I'm a noob, I just drug the whole song loop over.  It is no longer loaded into EZD2.  At this point it seems it is what it is, but I know which phrases I used to I guess I'll just redo it for 90 bpm. The reason for bouncing was to be out of my way so I wouldn't screw it up again! I do agree freeze would be better for us.
I'll check those 3 things out as I will need to be an expert for how we do things.