Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map

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2015/09/30 08:36:36 (permalink)

Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map

Short story - I had a drum map set up and working for Superior Drummer 2. Then I added a track template for a guitar track, which somehow, despite just being a single track and having no MIDI or drums associated with it, appears to have switched the original drum map on my Superior Drummer track to an empty one ('DM 1') with no outputs assigned. To make matters worse, the presets drop-down in the Drum Map Manager was greyed out so I couldn't reselect the original drum map preset from there - I had to use the menu in track view and spend 2 minutes slowly scrolling through to find the one I wanted (near the bottom).
 
Has anybody else encountered this?

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    Doktor Avalanche
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    Re: Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map 2015/09/30 08:52:35 (permalink)
    Any idea at all what version of Sonar the template was created? (Or approx).
    What is the current version of Sonar you are running?
    Were you able to fix it, and save as a template again, does the issue still exist?
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    post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/09/30 09:02:10

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    Re: Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map 2015/09/30 12:27:03 (permalink)
    The template might have been from X3, or Platinum, not sure. Currently running Platinum. Not tried to fix it, not inclined to go through that process again when I have music to record. :)

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    Re: Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map 2015/09/30 13:30:34 (permalink)
    If it was created before Everett Update 1 (when Drum Maps got fixed properly, well apart from the UI) I'm not surprised drum maps got screwed to be honest...
    post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/09/30 13:40:10

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    Re: Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map 2015/09/30 14:19:44 (permalink)
    I wonder if is is possible the track template inadvertently included whatever drum map was present in the project from which the template was created.
     
    And then maybe inserting that template into the new project would have brought in the other drum map?
     
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    Re: Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map 2015/10/01 05:42:03 (permalink)
    Bringing in a new drum map wouldn't be such a problem... overwriting/deleting the current one, however, is. :)

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    Re: Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map 2015/11/21 08:49:38 (permalink)
    Still seeing this happen, with track templates made in the latest version of Sonar. Before inserting my track template (that uses no drum maps or MIDI at all), I have 11 possible MIDI inputs in the project, numbers 10 and 11 are drum maps with named presets. I insert the track template (an audio track with an FX chain, nothing more), now MIDI inputs 10 and 11 have been reset to 'DM1-' and 'DM2-', I've had extra 'DM3-' and 'DM4-' added, and all 4 of these drum maps are empty. I have to go back to my original MIDI tracks and find the preset for 10 and 11 again and reassign them.
     
    Is nobody else seeing this?

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    Re: Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map 2015/12/20 15:56:28 (permalink)
    Yes, I can confirm that it is bug. I saved Track Template from project containing several Drum Maps, and immediately inserted it in the same project. Several empty Drum Maps was added and some existing Drum Maps was ruined.
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    Re: Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map 2015/12/20 16:50:09 (permalink)
    You'd best  file a Problem Report

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    Re: Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map 2015/12/20 17:09:55 (permalink)
    I realized, that I don't like current report system. Why we should submit reports, if we write it here, and we know that Cakewalk guys read forum? We send it, take number, and most probably we never will get any response or action. It make me feel that developers have very small interest in discovering bugs, much smaller than users who find and submit them. I know that maybe it is not like that, some bugs are fixed, some major bugs are fixed very fast. But I often feel that my reports are just a waste of time.
    Why some guys from Cakewalk, who should find bugs by themselves, and add them to the report system, can't read forum and add those bugs too, there are not so many in Problems section, just 2-3 in a day. Finally it is their job, and if users find bugs, that mean that they did it not ideally. It would make users feel that discovering bugs make some sense, that somebody is interested in it.
    post edited by Adq - 2015/12/20 17:22:11
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    Re: Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map 2015/12/21 04:07:43 (permalink)
    There is no guarantee that any Cakewalk employee is going to read every thread on the Sonar forum.
     
    However, you CAN guarantee that every problem report submitted WILL be looked at and investigated.

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    Re: Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map 2015/12/21 04:43:55 (permalink)
    Adq
    I realized, that I don't like current report system. Why we should submit reports, if we write it here, and we know that Cakewalk guys read forum? We send it, take number, and most probably we never will get any response or action. It make me feel that developers have very small interest in discovering bugs, much smaller than users who find and submit them. I know that maybe it is not like that, some bugs are fixed, some major bugs are fixed very fast. But I often feel that my reports are just a waste of time.
    Why some guys from Cakewalk, who should find bugs by themselves, and add them to the report system, can't read forum and add those bugs too, there are not so many in Problems section, just 2-3 in a day. Finally it is their job, and if users find bugs, that mean that they did it not ideally. It would make users feel that discovering bugs make some sense, that somebody is interested in it.


    The idea isn't for you to get a response rather that Cakewalk get the feedback about bugs so they can work on them, You don't get a special mention just because you've logged a bug.

    Do really expect them to trawl through thousand of posts looking for those that mention bugs. That's not a very smart use of resources. If you don't want to be part of the solution then stop whining about what you like and don't like. Many of us use the reporting system to file reports. It's the only system we have.

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    Re: Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map 2015/12/21 05:36:22 (permalink)
    mudgel
    The idea isn't for you to get a response rather that Cakewalk get the feedback about bugs so they can work on them, You don't get a special mention just because you've logged a bug.

    Do really expect them to trawl through thousand of posts looking for those that mention bugs. That's not a very smart use of resources. If you don't want to be part of the solution then stop whining about what you like and don't like. Many of us use the reporting system to file reports. It's the only system we have.

    I also use reporting system and I have right to say that I don't like it.
    There are 48 threads in Problem Reports section updated in the last month, only part of them are new. Hosts move threads, so threads with confirmed bugs finish there. It is very small amount of REAL bugs.
    After that they are supposed to be added to the systems by amateurs who I guess often can't do it right with all steps. And after that nobody knows what happens with them.
    Yes, I don't like it. And yes, I know that "It's the only system we have", and I don't like it.
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    Re: Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map 2015/12/21 10:55:04 (permalink)
    Cakewalk's reporting system is a hassle to use. Expecting us to fill in that whole form and provide full repro steps is basically outsourcing their QA to paying customers. When they sort that out, I'll use it more often. Until then, they're going to get my problem reports here, which is often better anyway as the community can work together to home in on the issue.

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    Re: Inserting guitar track template broke existing drum map 2015/12/21 11:53:30 (permalink)
    mudgel
    Do really expect them to trawl through thousand of posts looking for those that mention bugs. That's not a very smart use of resources.



    If Cakewalk representatives always pop up when there's some important issue being discussed, they must be keeping a pretty close eye on the forums.  And we're constantly praising them for their participation here.  No way they're not aware of discussions on bugs.
     

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