Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit?

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2011/08/09 07:34:08 (permalink)

Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit?

Hi, I just bought a new PC a few days ago and waited impatiently for X1 to download to see how it would work on my new 64-bit machine. I installed the 64-bit version of Sonar, of course. But the problem I ran into was that some of the instruments in my old songs ( I assume because they're 32-bit plug-ins) wouldn't play. I have read (in some older threads) that you can install both the 64- and 32-bit versions on the one machine which might allow me to overcome this problem.

However, my concern is with the fact that I've installed the 64-bit version of Sonar first. Is it okay to add the 32-bit version on now? Or should I install the 32-bit version before the 64-bit version? Also, I've already installed the X1A and X1B patches, so would that make any difference to installing the 32-bit version on top of the already-installed 64-bit version of Sonar?

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    John T
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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/09 07:38:34 (permalink)
    It'll be fine. I currently have four versions of Sonar on the same machine: 64 and 32 bit versions of both 8.5 and X1.

    The thing to note is that you don't install anything "on top" of anything else. For one thing, Windows won't let you do it that way, and will put 32 bit programs in a different Program Files folder to 64 bit programs.

    You'll have to install the patches again for your 32 bit version too.

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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/09 07:41:32 (permalink)
    Just what I needed to know, John. Thanks for the quick reply.
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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/09 08:38:01 (permalink)
    just accept all the defaults and you'll be okay. It's uninstalling that usually causes trouble.

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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/09 09:28:44 (permalink)
    Perfect timing on this thread as i was going to ask the very same question :)
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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/09 12:31:54 (permalink)
    Depending on how many 3rd party plugins you might have and how co-operative they are you may find the following useful. If it doesn't apply to you feel free to ignore it or use only any bits useful to you.
     
    Having both the 32 and 64 bit versions of SONAR on the same computer doesn't of itself cause any problems. Many of us run multiple version in both 32 and 64 bit without problem.
    Problems can however occur when you tell SONAR to scan for VST plugins. when running 64 bit SONAR there may be 32 bit plugins that you want to run because a 64 bit version doesn't exist yet. That means having to scan the location where those 32 bit plugins are as well.
    That's not a problem either except that when using 32 and 64 bit versions of SONAR you may want both the 32 bit and 64 bit version of particular plugin so each program can make use of it. The rub is that some plugins don't behave and you end up with both the 32 bit and 64 bit version being scanned by SONAR's VST Scanner and you have 2 of that plugin appear. 
     
    I have an additional folder just for 32 bit (x86) plugins for those where the manufacturer wants to always install both a 32 and 64 bit version. When it works properly then the 64 bit VST scanner doesn't load the 32 bit version but when it doesn't work properly it means I end up having 2 of the same plugin where the 32 bit one is also running through  Bitbridge. For those plugins only I use the 3rd folder. Working out which plugins don't cooperate has to be worked out by trial and error.
     
    To get around all that I have my system setup as follows.
    1. Program files\Cakewalk\Vst Plugins\Manufacturer\plugin
    All 64 bit Plugins
    2. Program files (x86)\Cakewalk\Vst Plugins\Manufacturer\plugin
    All 32 bit plugins you want to run in x64 because no native 64bit version exists.
    3. Program files (x86)\Cakewalk\VST Plugins(x86)\ Manufacturer\plugin
    All 32 bit plugins for which you already have 64 bit versions and the VST scanner insists on installing the 32 bit version as well under bitbridge giving you 2 copies of the same plugin in SONAR's Plugin manager.
    SONAR x64 scans 1 & 2
    SONAR x86 scans 2 & 3
    Apart from folder 3 the others are all default locations if you allow SONAR to just perform it's normal installation.
    post edited by mudgel - 2011/08/09 12:35:51

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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/10 09:33:02 (permalink)
    Mick, great minds...

    mudgel, thanks for the warning.

    I've installed the 32-bit version now. However, I've been trying to play some songs I wrote using my old 32-bit machine. I ran into a problem with Addictive Drums, which I had installed on a separate directory to Windows 7. I tried reinstalling it on the Windows drive and that seemed to work. I was also having the same problem with Dimension Pro so I tried the same thing. But it didn't work for Dim Pro.

    I have both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Sonar X1 installed, but neither recognizes the Dim Pro synth(s) in my old songs.

    In the Cakewalk Plugin Manager, the Dimension Pro.dll file appears in my 32-bit version of X1, and the Dimension Pro x64.dll file appears in my 64-bit version of X1.

    Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

    Thanks again.
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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/10 10:16:36 (permalink)
    As far as I understand it, the system doesn't understand that 32 bit and 64 bit versions of synths are the same thing.

    Change your VST settings in the 64 bit version to scan your 32 bit plugin folders as well as the 64 bit ones. This will result in you having some doubled up plug-ins, and you#'ll probably want to check through them and re-name some of them so you know which version is which. Bit of a faff, but worth it.

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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/10 10:43:33 (permalink)
    Hi John,

    Thanks for the suggestion, but I've already got both versions of X1 scanning both the 32- and 64-bit folders. It still only shows the 32-bit Dim Pro in the 32-bit version of Sonar, and the 64-bit version of Dim Pro in the 64-bit version of Sonar. So there's no problem of doubled up plug-ins, but Sonar still doesn't recognise the Dim Pro synth in my old projects for some reason. 
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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/10 10:50:42 (permalink)
    Odd.

    Actually, I seem to recall a lot of people reporting a bit of pain getting their DimPro installations up and running. It was okay for me, but there were definitively some issues. Maybe someone will pop up who knows about this, but if you have a search for DimPro installation threads, you'll get plenty of results I'm sure.

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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/10 11:26:45 (permalink)
    Your problem maybe that SONAR dfoesn't know where the Dim Pro sounds are.

    Unlike many soft synths you can't just move Dim Pro Multisample folder to another palce after its been installed. It will mean a reinstall or a simple registry edit to Point Dim Pro at its Multisample folder.

    That's if I understood your last comments correctly.

    Backup your registry before touch anything,

    Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\dp

    You'll find the multisample entry. just edit it to reflect the actual Multisamples location and close regedit. You'll need to restart SONAR and Dim Pro

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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/10 13:45:19 (permalink)
    I remember when X1 came out there were a couple of demo tracks that you could download as well as X1. There were various people here (myself included) who couldn't get the Dim Pro tracks to play in one of the demos. The way around it was to make a note of the patch name and then load a fresh instance of Dim Pro and then move the midi to it and load the patch.
    Just a thought.
     
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    P.S. When I went to 64 bit from 32 bit it junked just about every track with a plugin so if you are just having Dim Pro trouble you are lucky.

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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/10 14:12:15 (permalink)
    mudgel, I did reinstall Dim Pro again, rather than move any files. And thanks for the registry edit option, but I'd prefer to try and find a less technical alternative first if I can - I'd prefer not to touch the registry so soon after purchasing the PC and installing Sonar. Last resort, maybe.

    Grum, I already attempted your workaround but since the synths won't load, I can't open Dim Pro to find out which patch it is, so I can't reload the patch.

    The actual error message I get when I try to load a project on either the 32- or 64-bit version of X1 says: "The following plugins are referred to by this project but could not be found. They may be missing or improperly installed on your system.  Dimension Pro (Synth Rack)."

    Grum: "P.S. When I went to 64 bit from 32 bit it junked just about every track with a plugin so if you are just having Dim Pro trouble you are lucky."

    I thought I'd remembered some discussions on similar problems myself, but had trouble finding any when I tried a search. Anyway, I anticipated that there'd be some teething problems (I'd already had months of experience with X1!). It seems to work okay with new projects, at least.
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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/10 14:22:10 (permalink)
    Yep, that error was what I was talking about. That project uses DimPro 32 bit, so that's all Sonar will look for. It doesn't regard DimPro64 as the same thing.

    I've got X1 seeing both, but unfortunately I can't recall how. Sorry.

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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/11 05:42:46 (permalink)
    This is semi-related...I have both 32- and 64-bit programs on my computer, so I usually install both 32- and 64-bit plugs, if available. What I've found with 64-bit programs (including Sonar) is some will see the 32-bit plug and assume that's the right one.

    What works for me with 64-bit Sonar is after installing the plug-ins, but before running Sonar, I move the 32-bit one out of its x86 VST folder. Then I scan, and Sonar finds the 64-bit plug. When I put the 32-bit plug back in, Sonar has already "committed" to the 64-bit plug so that's what loads.
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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/11 11:33:21 (permalink)
    I just installed the 64 bit version of Sonar X1 Producer on my new computer as well, and several DirectX audio effects I used in multiple tracks of previous songs are no longer available.  So if I install the 32 bit version too, I assume I have to open a song in 32 bit to use these effects?  And this means I cannot use these effects going forward unless I flip the song back and forth between 32 & 64 bit programs?
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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2011/08/11 11:54:57 (permalink)
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    Odd.

    Actually, I seem to recall a lot of people reporting a bit of pain getting their DimPro installations up and running. It was okay for me, but there were definitively some issues. Maybe someone will pop up who knows about this, but if you have a search for DimPro installation threads, you'll get plenty of results I'm sure.


    Tell me about it!

    I still haven't managed to get DP 1.5 running on my DAW yet.
    I can run it stand alone but can't get the vsti to show up in Sonar, either 8.5 or X1

    This is mainly due to running both 8.5.3 and X1 on the same pc.

    On the laptop which has only got X1 on it, DP 1.5 installed perfectly.

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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2018/06/12 05:38:14 (permalink)
    I learned more about this subject here in four minutes than I have in four years.
     
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    Re:Installing 32-bit Sonar after 64-bit? 2018/06/12 08:19:06 (permalink)
    Concerning plugins I create own plugin folders (and subfolders) for each DAW/version and use those ones as scan target. I do not copy the plugin DLL's into those additional folders, but instead I just create links to the original plugin DLLs (mklink <link name> <original plugin path>. Like this I have full control which plugins are visible for each DAW/version and because I only defined links a new plugin version is automatically visible to the DAWs that have a link defined to it. This works great and it makes plugin scanning faster if you do not define all the plugins for each DAW (what I did of several reasons). The only plugins that can not be handled like that in each DAW are VST3 plugins, because some DAWs do not allow to choose a VST3 folder (or subfolder), but have a fixed defined one (default VST3 path).
     
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