Instant crash when adjusting the Master Bus in CV (video example)

First of all: This only happens when I have the Console View placed on my my second monitor (within the multidock)

It's not happening with all projects, but with most. When I open a project and then go into the CV and try to adjust anything on the Master Bus, Sonar instantly crashes. Most often this applies to any bus, but it ALWAYS applies to the master bus.

If I first make the Master Fader visable in the inspector (while also having the CV in view) and then adjust the volume of the fader in the Inspector, I can then safely jump into the CV and change the volume of the master in there.

It's like Sonar can't predict that I'd ever want to do something like this and get a chock because of it..

I never had this problem with any version of X1.
You don't really need to tell me to send in problem reports and stuff. Of course I've already done this. (I've lost count how many I've sent in about it, actually)

I just wanted to check if there are more people out there with this problem or if it's just me. ... Cuz if it's just me, I guess it'll never be fixed... :/

Here's a video example of what I'm talking about. It showes the same behaviour in two different projects and I also show how it doesn't crash if you first adjust the volume in the inspector first. Since I had to record both monitors it's quite small and the quality isn't the best. But it's enough to see the problem. Just go 720p and full screen to get the most out of it. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnjZofofhS8


Thanks

  That has happened to me as well I am glad you are able to articulate the problem.  

We all need to send a problem report. 

Replicated here, too, instantly.
 
I have two monitors, but just have Sonar spread accross both, so have not tried this before.
 
I've not seen this posted before.  Why not?  As far as I can tell a lot of Sonar users use two monitors this way.
 
Thanks for posting, Loptec.

I have the whole of Sonar spread over both monitors, so I can see the Track View over both monitors, or the Console View over both.  I have not had any problems.
 
After reading the OP, I followed his workflow, and it crashed immediately.  I guess this goes to show why some users have terrible troubles, and others don't.

Get this all the time on X2a. I'm also using dual monitors with the console in the multidock on the second monitor.

This could be a silly question, but I'm not in front of Sonar and cannot check. Is it possible to undock the console view from the multidock and just place console view on the second monitor? Would the problem still be apparent then? Sorry if you've already tried this...

You using dual monitors now Mike? I thought they skewed your stereo image or something. Good to hear monitor floating is okay in 8.5 though.

I'm using my duals as one big monitor but I might try this later to see if I can replicate.

I can't replicate this. Is there anything special on the master buss fx etc?

I use Concrete Limiter and Slate VCC on the master buss, 100% of the time. Anyone else who has this problem use Concrete Limiter?

What I've found with this is, when I start a new project, it doesn't initially happen. Then at some point during the project, it starts happening, and happens 100% of the time from then on. Then on a new project, it's gone again. My project template just has Voxengo SPAN and Flux Stereo Tool in the Master bus FX bin, and Console Emulator, Bus Compressor and EQ on the master ProChannel. I never put anything else on the master bus, unless I'm having to master something myself, which I rarely do.

My standard screenset has the CV undocked from the Multidock and floated onto the second monitor.  The problem happens to me in this case.  I don't use anything as far as effects on the Master (usually take my mixed stereo tracks out to SoundForge 10 and do my final tweaks or mastering there)...... So from my perspective I don't see that using any kind of effects or PC on the Master Bus is the source of the problem?  Just my 2 cents..........

I posted about this problem a week or so ago but I didn't mention that I use two monitors all the time. I have this exact same problem. Instant crash when I adjust bus settings. I've come up with an unusual workaround where I create an empty track and link the volume mute, solo control to a Bus volume mute and solo. This has the added bonus of allowing my control surface to control the bus.

I also recently built a new machine from scratch, all new components apart from the case and power supply, and it happened on both the old machine and the new.

I've tried a couple of my older projects and don't get it in them either. Perhaps it's a certain action or sequence of actions setting it off.

Loptec


Sp.. You place the multi dock on the other screen and the console in there? .. and maybe throw in some plugins as well on the master... 

Then close down and reopen the project and try and adjust the master in CV? .. :/ ..I really hope they at least can replicate the bug on ONE computer at Cakewalk..

Yeah. In multidock, floated. I've also tried it out of multidock floated. I usually have at least one VST on the master buss in most projects, even if it's only SPAN.

Floating CV is not a set up I normally use so it's a bit impractical to test every single project but as I work on something I'll test it in future to see if I notice anything that causes a crash.