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2018/01/03 06:34:54 (permalink)

Intel will no longer have the edge?

"A fundamental design flaw in Intel's processor chips has forced a significant redesign of the Linux and Windows kernels to defang the chip-level security bug.
 
Programmers are scrambling to overhaul the open-source Linux kernel's virtual memory system. Meanwhile, Microsoft is expected to publicly introduce the necessary changes to its Windows operating system in an upcoming Patch Tuesday: these changes were seeded to beta testers running fast-ring Windows Insider builds in November and December.
 
Crucially, these updates to both Linux and Windows will incur a performance hit on Intel products. The effects are still being benchmarked, however we're looking at a ballpark figure of five to 30 per cent slow down, depending on the task and the processor model. "
 
https://www.theregister.c...intel_cpu_design_flaw/

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/03 09:00:21 (permalink)
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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/03 19:16:17 (permalink)
This is really bad news. I'm running a Core 2 Duo that is doing fine but is obviously not a power horse compared to newer CPUs and I'm concerned that even a 20% hit would be problematic. I'll have to wait and see.
 
I guess I can isolate my music machine from the internet so that I don't ever have the patch installed, but I really hate to do that.
 
I'm also curious if this affects my Windows tablets running Atom processors. They are adequate as-is but a 30 percent hit could be catastrophic. Lets not forget that this affects battery life, not just performance. It may be a very good thing that MS is investing strongly in ARM processors. That may turn out to be one of the best moves MS ever made.
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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/03 21:46:42 (permalink)
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"A fundamental design flaw in Intel's processor chips has forced a significant redesign of the Linux and Windows kernels to defang the chip-level security bug.
 
Programmers are scrambling to overhaul the open-source Linux kernel's virtual memory system. Meanwhile, Microsoft is expected to publicly introduce the necessary changes to its Windows operating system in an upcoming Patch Tuesday: these changes were seeded to beta testers running fast-ring Windows Insider builds in November and December.
 
Crucially, these updates to both Linux and Windows will incur a performance hit on Intel products. The effects are still being benchmarked, however we're looking at a ballpark figure of five to 30 per cent slow down, depending on the task and the processor model. "
 
https://www.theregister.c...intel_cpu_design_flaw/



Apparently, we may not have all the facts or the reporting may be inaccurate/overblown...
 
https://www.thurrott.com/hardware/149469/intel-says-recently-reported-security-flaw-overblown
 
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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/03 23:58:43 (permalink)
It is interesting that Intel's statements reassuringly say that the not-a-bug exploits "do not have the potential to corrupt, modify or delete data." That is probably a good thing, but the issue that is being exploited does apparently have the potential to retrieve supposedly hidden data. If you doubt this issue is real, ask yourself why all of the major OS vendors are scrambling to produce a fix for the non-problem. Aside from another worry about someone lifting your passwords etc., some of us will potentially suffer from the OS tweaks needed to neutralize the exploits, which the OS developers cannot risk not fixing given the liability issues. Again Intel reassures us, "any performance impacts are workload-dependent, and, for the average computer user, should not be significant." Do users of high performance real time audio applications fall into the average computer user group? Stay tuned. Your future OS updates will answer these insignificant questions. 
 
https://newsroom.intel.com/news/intel-responds-to-security-research-findings/
http://www.zdnet.com/article/security-flaws-affect-every-intel-chip-since-1995-arm-processors-vulnerable/
 
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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/04 15:32:24 (permalink)
Never been happier to still be using a Core2Quad processor that's 10 years old!  My laptop is in trouble though...

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/04 15:40:04 (permalink)
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This is really bad news. I'm running a Core 2 Duo that is doing fine but is obviously not a power horse compared to newer CPUs and I'm concerned that even a 20% hit would be problematic. I'll have to wait and see.
 

Apparently this affects Haswell processors (core i3, i5, i7-4xxx) and newer, so Core 2 Duos and Quads are not affected.  You may be in the clear, man.

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/04 15:41:38 (permalink)
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Never been happier to still be using a Core2Quad processor that's 10 years old!  My laptop is in trouble though...



I think that CPU is one of the CPUs that have the security vulnerability. You're not out of the woods as far as I know. I am running a Core 2 Duo E6850 and I'm virtually certain it is affected by the problem. Any Intel CPU with the word 'Core' in it is affected. Again, to my knowledge...
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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/04 15:47:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Gargamel314 2018/01/05 13:20:30
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It is interesting that Intel's statements reassuringly say that the not-a-bug exploits "do not have the potential to corrupt, modify or delete data."



how about "read data"?

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/04 15:55:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2018/01/04 16:19:38
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Apparently this affects Haswell processors (core i3, i5, i7-4xxx) and newer, so Core 2 Duos and Quads are not affected.  You may be in the clear, man.



Unfortunately, I don't think that's true. From what I'm reading today every intel processor sold since 1995 is potentially vulnerable (Meltdown) and all CPUs are potentially vulnerable to the Spectre vulnerability. I guess we'll be learning more over the next week, but right now, I think my CPU is one of the ones that is affected by the problem. Supposedly the Meltdown problem has only been "verified" (meaning it is still possible that other CPUs are vulnerable) on intel CPUs but the Spectre problem affects all CPUs - including ARM. Argh!
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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/04 17:24:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Gargamel314 2018/01/05 13:23:15
Spectre's less of a problem than Meltdown because while it's harder to fix it's also much harder to take advantage of.

As for Meltdown, Apple's fix came out in December and as far as I can tell has had no noticeable effect on anything, at least as far as "everday" amd DAW use is concerned. So with any luck the Windows fix won't either, though to some extent any performance reducing consequences might be more noticeable on older cpus.

The biggest performance problems will be for those running big SQL databases, server farms etc.

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/04 17:30:18 (permalink)
That sux. I'm feeling pretty good about my AMD processor right now.

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/04 18:51:51 (permalink)
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That sux. I'm feeling pretty good about my AMD processor right now.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/3/16846784/microsoft-processor-bug-windows-10-fix

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/05 01:10:41 (permalink)

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/05 12:01:18 (permalink)
he knew! he knew!

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/05 13:07:26 (permalink)
I think Martha Stewart got 5 months in a federal prison and a $195,000 fine for a $285,000 illegal sale of stock. I wonder if he's nervous.
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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/05 13:12:18 (permalink)
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I think Martha Stewart got 5 months in a federal prison and a $195,000 fine for a $285,000 illegal sale of stock. I wonder if he's nervous.


He sold after the announcement, pretty quickly after the announcement. Not sure they can touch him.
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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/05 13:49:34 (permalink)
According to an article I read, some AMD's are also affected, not widespread like the Intel's but AMD is not completely out of the woods.
 

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/05 14:04:29 (permalink)
"He sold after the announcement, pretty quickly after the announcement. Not sure they can touch him."
 
If he put his sell plan in place after the issue was made public he is okay. I honestly don't know when the public was made aware that this is a significant issue (one that could very well affect stock prices).
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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/05 16:38:50 (permalink)
It's pretty much all CPU's, Intel, AMD, and ARM...
 
https://www.theverge.com/...sor-bug-windows-10-fix

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/05 17:21:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby slartabartfast 2018/01/06 22:27:41
The patch is out.
Backup your machine before installing.
You can compare an audio stress-test pre/post patch.
We're seeing extremely minimal to no performance difference.

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/05 17:33:39 (permalink)
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The patch is out.
Backup your machine before installing.
You can compare an audio stress-test pre/post patch.
We're seeing extremely minimal to no performance difference.



I don't have any good benchmark for audio performance, but I tested gaming, DPC latency, and disk IO and found no difference. Well to be completely accurate I found a slight increase in gaming performance post-patch, but it was well within the margin of error.
 
Now this is the OS level patch, I do not have the updated microcode yet (doesn't seem like any vendors have released it) but so far, I'm seeing no change for user type workloads. VM servers may be another thing, I'll be testing those this weekend, but not really relevant to people on this forum.
 
It is really nothing to worry about performance wise so far as I can see for the general public.
 
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"He sold after the announcement, pretty quickly after the announcement. Not sure they can touch him."
 
If he put his sell plan in place after the issue was made public he is okay. I honestly don't know when the public was made aware that this is a significant issue (one that could very well affect stock prices).



It looks like that's what he did. I mean this was discovered last June, I don't know when Intel was brought in on it but it was early in the process. They've known for a long time. Presumably he planned to sell, and waited until the earliest he could legally do it.
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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/06 01:04:12 (permalink)
According to this report, Intel knew of the problems in June, the share sale was readied in October and shares sold November. We all only got to hear about Meltdown over the last few days, and I doubt Intel’s many shareholders got any notification before the rest of the world did.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018...ve-security-flaws.html

The effect on Intel share prices hasn’t been as drastic as if could have been. A 2% drop followed by a bit of a recovery. In terms of the total amount of money involved a 2% drop wipes a few million of Intel’s value but that’s a drop in a buicket as far as Intel are concerned.

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/06 05:25:03 (permalink)
Long term it isn't likely to be a big drop for four reasons:
 
1)  This isn't some kind of negligence on their part. This is a completely unforeseen consequence of speculative execution. That is a technology, widely used, that has been around for decades. It isn't like this was something they were ignoring, this is something security researchers only recently figured out. So while they will get sued, since everyone sues over everything these days, it isn't that likely to succeed.
 
2) This is not an Intel only problem. Despite early reports, this is something that affects basically all modern chips. The Specter attack (reading in-process memory) is something that is probable to work on every processor. That it hasn't been demonstrated yet on every CPU is a matter of what the researchers focused on, not that the others are invulnerable. It'll happen in time. MalwareJake is pretty confident this is only the beginning.
 
3) The performance impact is not near the big deal it was made out to be. On normal systems, it is tiny if even present. Even on big I/O systems, it doesn't seem to be as bad as first made out. So while there is lots of nerd rage, it is hard to legitimately get that mad about it. Couple that with the fact that Intel never made any specific performance claims on their CPUs guaranteeing a level of performance.
 
4) It isn't that big a security hole. It is not the cataclysmic event that some people were (and still are) making it out to be. It is a covert data ex-filtration channel. That sucks, but we have been dealing with that in security forever, and they don't go away. You just have to work to make them difficult to use and to monitor for it happening.
 
So while it will cost them some money, it isn't likely to be an amount such as to hurt stock price.
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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/06 19:28:19 (permalink)
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3) The performance impact is not near the big deal it was made out to be. On normal systems, it is tiny if even present. Even on big I/O systems, it doesn't seem to be as bad as first made out. So while there is lots of nerd rage, it is hard to legitimately get that mad about it. Couple that with the fact that Intel never made any specific performance claims on their CPUs guaranteeing a level of performance.


I think the media coverage has tended to over-exagerate any performance issues because journalists and editors generally don’t understand the difference between “protecting against the exploit means a few specific computing operations will now require between 1.05 and 1.3 times longer to complete, which on a cpu that’s clocked in the gighertz range amounts to nothing much” and “everything the computer does will now take 30% or more longer to do”.

Journalists are notoriously inclined to “dumb down” reports concerning science or technology, and in an age of clickbait journalism sub-editors have an eye for creating alarming headlines.

As for the legal implications, Intel and other cpu manufacturers sell and warranty cpus on the basis that they will perform as their publicly released datasheet indicates. Nowhere do they say “we warranty our products will be invulnerable to all security flaws, both known ones and any that might be discovered in the future”.

For the same reason anti-malware software isn’t sold on the basis that it will provide 100% protection for the same reason. Known malware can be checked for, but all that can be done to protect against new malware is to make reasonable checks for malware-like behaviour, block it and flag it up as a potential issue for a human to take a look at and investigate further. Which works most of the time but sometimes doesn’t.

It’s still the case that the only truly secure computer is one with no network or wireless connections that’s placed inside a heavy duty Faraday cage inside a sealed concrete bunker with no entrances. And then only if the computer is never switched on.

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/06 22:33:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby abacab 2018/01/07 01:28:02
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I think the media coverage has tended to over-exagerate any performance issues because journalists and editors generally don’t understand the difference between “protecting against the exploit means a few specific computing operations will now require between 1.05 and 1.3 times longer to complete, which on a cpu that’s clocked in the gighertz range amounts to nothing much” and “everything the computer does will now take 30% or more longer to do”.



You realize that you are posting this quite sane observation on a forum that routinely carries reports of how users are overclocking with water-cooled systems, shutting down dozens of irrelevant processes, and following pages of laborious tweaks to get their audio systems an insignificant improvement?
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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/10 17:31:27 (permalink)
The conspiracy theorist in me is screaming that intel and the NSA knowingly integrated it into the processors.
 
I find it odd that intel, amd and arm are all affected in some form. Did they cross license that tech or something? And, if so, why didn't they catch it before now?
 
Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the machine still has to be infected and the code executed. I can understand and glad they are patching the problem but wouldn't an anti-virus prevent the exploits as well?

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/11 13:42:30 (permalink)
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Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the machine still has to be infected and the code executed. I can understand and glad they are patching the problem but wouldn't an anti-virus prevent the exploits as well?



As with Malware, you're not going to be exposed/exploited running DAW software.  
It wouldn't surprise me if this "design flaw" was at some level intentional.

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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/11 14:30:24 (permalink)
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VM servers may be another thing, I'll be testing those this weekend, but not really relevant to people on this forum.
 

 
Actually in a round about way, it is totally relevant to me. I wanted to keep my DAW pristine, no installation of other software/drivers/etc. that might impact my DAW operation.  But I also didn't want two machines.
 
So I have a virtualbox machine on top of my DAW. My hardware machine has all my audio software and drivers and virtualbox installed on it, nothing else. My virtual machine has all my other software installed on it. 
 
I love the way it operates, when I want to do a session I just shut down the virtual machine and my box is pretty much a dedicated DAW. The only issue I have is that audio in the virtual machine isn't very good (actually almost unusable), so listening to spotify, itunes, or youtube on my virtual doesn't really work well. But I'm not about to install them on my base machine, sans youtube which runs in a browser. 
 
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Re: Intel will no longer have the edge? 2018/01/11 16:39:01 (permalink)
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VM servers may be another thing, I'll be testing those this weekend, but not really relevant to people on this forum.
 

 
Actually in a round about way, it is totally relevant to me. I wanted to keep my DAW pristine, no installation of other software/drivers/etc. that might impact my DAW operation.  But I also didn't want two machines.
 
So I have a virtualbox machine on top of my DAW. My hardware machine has all my audio software and drivers and virtualbox installed on it, nothing else. My virtual machine has all my other software installed on it. 
 
I love the way it operates, when I want to do a session I just shut down the virtual machine and my box is pretty much a dedicated DAW. The only issue I have is that audio in the virtual machine isn't very good (actually almost unusable), so listening to spotify, itunes, or youtube on my virtual doesn't really work well. But I'm not about to install them on my base machine, sans youtube which runs in a browser. 
 
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I've been considering doing something similar but slightly more drastic - also putting my DAWs in a virtual machine.
So only having the base operating system on the machine and everything on separate virtual machines - one for my DAWs, one for my programming apps, one for 'normal' PC usage (email, etc.).
 
In the past 2 years for reasons beyond my control (motherboard failure, OS corruption, etc) I've had to 3 times setup & reconfigure my system from scratch.  My audio setup takes the most time. Each time it's a long drawn out process of getting everything installed, activated and configured.
I haven't run a proof of concept yet (putting Sonar on a virtual machine and checking it out) but hoping that on a decent i7 processor, with ample RAM and SSDs that it proves viable.

"Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils" Loius-Hector Berlioz

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