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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/03 11:28:56
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No offense to Ola Englund (can play circles around me)... but this test (IMO) was not done well. It's obvious which product he's more familiar with... and spent more time with  There's a young guy (can't remember his name) who's a Fractal user. His comparison videos on YouTube are (IMO) much better planned/executed... and thus more substantive. I've owned all of them (Kemper, Axe-FX XL II+, AX8, and Helix)... and I can say with certainty that (with just the slightest effort), the Helix can sound FAR better than demonstrated there. FWIW...
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/03 11:42:16
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/03 12:29:31
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☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2017/01/03 12:40:42
They all sound the same to me.
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/03 12:49:31
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bitflipper
They all sound the same to me.
Agreed, indistinguishable (at least on an iPad 😉)
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/03 13:42:29
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That's all I'm saying. Ola was trying to make them all sound the same and tweaked each until they did. I'm sure, like Jim says, you could make any one of them sound "different" if not "better"...whatever that would mean... if you tried. The fact that Ola could make all of the emulators he used sound...at least to those folks willing to admit it...indistinguishable to the so called "real" amp is a testament to how good the new tech is and how hollow the litany of "I can easily tell the real amp from the software amp" rings. Just sayin.
PS: I went and listened to that high gain example Jim posted. Well, I tried to. For a minute or so. But it scared the pee-diddle outta me and I had to click to a puppy video to calm me down;-)
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/03 17:42:43
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PS: I went and listened to that high gain example Jim posted. Well, I tried to. For a minute or so. But it scared the pee-diddle outta me and I had to click to a puppy video to calm me down;-)
That stuff isn't my thing either... But the Archon is in the same ilk as the MESA Triple Rec...
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/03 20:44:03
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bitflipper
They all sound the same to me.
Ditto.
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/04 20:11:53
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☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2017/01/05 19:27:22
If you want to tell how good an amp sim sounds, high gain tones are the worst. The compression and distortion masks all the little differences. If I have to work on a high gain amp I never tell the owner to upgrade the tubes because they are simply throwing money away. Tung Sol power tubes and the cheapest Chinese pre amp tubes give 99% of the high gain crowd everything they want. NOS is just a waste.
I haven't worked with any of the new gen of modellers. When Line 6 arrived I bought their biggest flag ship amp, a big 2x12 combo. It always sounded great until you had people over. For some reason it just disappeared in the room and I couldn't hear it. I'm assuming they're much better now. Those Kemper amps look nice. I could model just about all the classic amps from my circle of friends, but I just can't pull the trigger because of my Line 6 experiences.
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/04 23:28:26
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I didn't listen to the clip, but...
The Amplifire, Helix, and AX8 are all great. I'm not sure how they will be able to make big differences in the future.
I also think Amplitube, S-Gear, and Revalver can hold there own with the big hardware modelers.
None of them sound as good as a real amp in a room, but for recording I prefer a good modeler.
I've owned all that I have mentioned, and currently I use the AX8.
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/05 09:03:03
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☄ Helpfulby clintmartin 2017/01/05 11:34:19
Rather than its ability to mimic another device, wouldn't the best test for an amp sim be a) its versatility and b) the ease with which a desired tone can be obtained?
Much ink has been devoted to the debate over whether all equalizers are interchangeable, because any given spectral profile may be obtained with pretty much any properly-designed EQ. And that's mostly true, yet we all have our individual EQ preferences. It comes down to ergonomics.
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/05 10:49:40
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☄ Helpfulby clintmartin 2017/01/05 11:34:21
Right, Bit, ol pal. These things are just tools and folks should use the one that gets the job done best for them. What I think this demonstrates once again is the parity that has been achieved between software and hardware in certain instances. But an ol feller or gal should use whatever they like to make whatever noises and caterwhaulin they prefer to foist on the rest of us.
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/05 11:20:44
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bitflipper
Rather than its ability to mimic another device, wouldn't the best test for an amp sim be a) its versatility and b) the ease with which a desired tone can be obtained?
My thoughts exactly. FWIW, I can achieve similar tone with just ProChannel modules.
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/05 11:34:15
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Those Kemper amps look nice. I could model just about all the classic amps from my circle of friends, but I just can't pull the trigger because of my Line 6 experiences.
FWIW, The Kemper was the first device that convinced me I could play (and enjoy) guitar without a tube amp. It's nothing like the Line-6 products of the past. With access to many prized tube-amps, you're in the perfect situation to take full advantage of the Kemper.
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/05 12:34:22
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That Kemper is a funny looking amp. Looks like something "The Jetsons" would use. Thanks for posting. Very interesting. Would love to try one. https://www.kemper-amps.com/ 
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/05 13:30:48
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The Kemper does look weird... but using it is actually very simple.
There's a dedicated knob/button for all important features.
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/05 16:32:27
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Like Jim says, the Kemp is easy peasy. Very intuitive and sounds killer diller. Your only real problem with the Kemp is trying to pick out the perfect amp/pedal combo from the hundreds on board.
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/05 17:56:50
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I'm a little late to this thread , anyway a couple of things , The examples all sounded the pretty much the same ...which I thought was kinda the whole point ..... As far as the tone / genre of playing ..it would not have made any difference to me .. That's that fellas thing , it's just not my thing ... I can respect that , he is putting it out there to inform folks ... I was able to get a good enough idea of what was going on ... Amp wise , I go back to the days when Dinosaurs didn't have much access to electricity .When they wanted to use an amp it was a two Dino operation . One would set up the amp between two mountains to get a good natural delay , the other would hop on a stationary bike and pedal at a bpm of 110 to create a uniform voltage for the generator to send out to the amp . Then they would just take turns laying down guitar parts in the studio  Sure I may be joking around w that , yet if you go back 15 to 20 years and compare the current technology of the amp modelers featured in that u tube video to what was available back then for guitar players and studio owners ... The demo of what was in the video would have came off just like pure science fiction to a guitar player back then ... Times sure have changed , if you don't believe me ...go back and watch an episode of The Jetsons ... That little dog walker thing that Astro used to get a walk in back then is now in just about every commercial gym and home all over the world I like the Kemper , if I had the bread that would be the one I would get  Kenny
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
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☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2017/01/06 04:21:04
yorolpal
Like Jim says, the Kemp is easy peasy. Very intuitive and sounds killer diller. Your only real problem with the Kemp is trying to pick out the perfect amp/pedal combo from the hundreds on board.
That whole thing of too many choices is part of why I went back to using a real amp after using the Axe-FX for a few years. The limitations are kind of freeing in some ways.
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/06 16:50:50
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You've come full circle when an amp model inspires you to buy the real tube amp.
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
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You've come full circle when an amp model inspires you to buy the real tube amp.
Ha, that's pretty much what it was. I picked up a 5150 III 50w head... one of my favorite models from the Axe-FX II.
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
2017/01/07 10:58:18
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Ha, that's pretty much what it was. I picked up a 5150 III 50w head... one of my favorite models from the Axe-FX II.
That is a great amp (especially when factoring in cost). I've owned that head three different times. LOL On the longest stretch, I swapped out a couple preamp tubes. Tamed the gain on the red-channel just a bit. One of my favorite amps...
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Re: Interesting Blind Listening guitar tone test by Ola Englund...
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Yes, I did the tube swap to tame the red channel a bit. I still only run the gain on that channel at about 11 o-clock even then. It evened out the sweep a little so now the usable gain is in a better range and it seems slightly more open.
The other cool thing is this has a mod done by FJA Mods that adds concentric pots on the pre and post gain for the green/blue channel so you can control the gain and levels independently on those channels. Really helps with balance the volume on those two channels with no compromises.
As much as I love the amp I find myself gassing just a bit for the new Mesa Triple Crown. If I get a chance to try it out I will, but I have a feeling that could be dangerous!
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