Interesting developments for those who think notation isn't inportant

Steinberg announces major notation initiative



Steinberg acquires Sibelius London team 

Garrigus, it's nice to know someone else in here uses Notion. I just upgraded a few days ago to Notion 4. I have always complained about the staff view in Cakewalk products. Have you tried re-wire yet with Sonar and Notion? I plan on trying that out soon. My dream program would be Sonar with the staff view and notation capability of Notion. All that wrapped in one program would be heaven. Maybe someday they will incorporate more than one audio track in Notion or update the Cake staff view to look and act like Notion.. At any rate, I'm pleased to know someone else in the forum that uses notation.

Sidroe
Garrigus, it's nice to know someone else in here uses Notion. I just upgraded a few days ago to Notion 4. I have always complained about the staff view in Cakewalk products. Have you tried re-wire yet with Sonar and Notion? I plan on trying that out soon. My dream program would be Sonar with the staff view and notation capability of Notion. All that wrapped in one program would be heaven. Maybe someday they will incorporate more than one audio track in Notion or update the Cake staff view to look and act like Notion.. At any rate, I'm pleased to know someone else in the forum that uses notation. 

Hi Sidney,


Haven't tried ReWire yet. Just got Notion 4 yesterday, so haven't had time to install.  But I also have Notion 3 and have been using that for notation-based projects. For those projects, I compose in Notion and then export to SONAR for mixing, effects, etc.


That would definitely be cool if Notion incorporated some more audio features and video too, as long as it doesn't mess up any of the core features that make it great for composing with virtual instruments.


I really can't wait to try Notion 4 under Win 7 64-bit with my 24GB of RAM. 


Just too busy with the SONAR X2 Power! book at the moment, but I'll definitely be trying it soon.

Actually, I think there are quite a few people here in the forum that use notation for composing, but I'm not sure how many use Notion. But this topic of notation in SONAR comes up quite a bit.

Scott

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Wow I bet steinberg is going to come up with some amazing software in that collaboration, especially given their advances with the vst3 standard.

tomixornot


Notion 3 user here, but up to now, I've only used it for importing xml file generated from Sonar, to touch up before printing it.

The rewire thing.. Can one use Sonar to record midi, and rewire it to Notion for notation, making it interactive, instead of having to export/import xml file and having to redo certain setting all over again ? ..I'm guessing it's not possible, as I've heard rewire is only for audio right.. hoping it's possible.

Also.. Roland should have snapped up the ex-Sibelius team.

I don't know about Rewire only being for audio....I used to use it to link Pro Tools and Reaper so that I could host VSTi's on Reaper and do of the MIDI editing and mixing in Pro Tools. So I guess Rewire was sending MIDI from ProTools to Reaper, and then routing the audio output from Reaper back to Pro Tools. So I'm guessing what you're talking about is theoretically possible. 

As a Sibelius user this is great news. 

I'm sure Steinberg will make a better fist of it than Avid. Seeing as Steinberg is owned by Yamaha and Yamaha is deeply involved in the world of Classical music.

sharke

tomixornot


Notion 3 user here, but up to now, I've only used it for importing xml file generated from Sonar, to touch up before printing it.

The rewire thing.. Can one use Sonar to record midi, and rewire it to Notion for notation, making it interactive, instead of having to export/import xml file and having to redo certain setting all over again ? ..I'm guessing it's not possible, as I've heard rewire is only for audio right.. hoping it's possible.

Also.. Roland should have snapped up the ex-Sibelius team.

I don't know about Rewire only being for audio....I used to use it to link Pro Tools and Reaper so that I could host VSTi's on Reaper and do of the MIDI editing and mixing in Pro Tools. So I guess Rewire was sending MIDI from ProTools to Reaper, and then routing the audio output from Reaper back to Pro Tools. So I'm guessing what you're talking about is theoretically possible. 

Thanks. I will give it a test once I've upgraded to Notion 4. 


My current X1/X2 is 64 bit, while Notion 3 is 32 bit. Won't talk at all.

Reaper, I liked it a lot with both 32/64 bit rewire support. I use Reaper to rewire to some old Vocaloids (32 bits) with great result.

Notion 4 64 bit rewire does indeed work. You are however limited to using 44.1khz for the audio sample rate as they do not support anything else. I have submitted a feature request to support higher sample rates. Perhaps if others do as well it will come about.

You can export the midi or just write the parts with the proper articulations in the score inside Notion and they will play back accurately.

This looks great. Do any of you guys have experience using ewqlso PLAY with Notion? If so, is it worth it? How do you integrate PLAY with it exactly?   
What are the vsti presets for exactly in this case? For example, I saw there is ewqlso presets. I am thinking about Notion now, as it seems like it bridges a gap between DAW and notation. 

Tom Riggs


If you go over the the notion forums you will find some of the answers you seek. http://forum.notionmusic.com/

Yep thanks  I've been perusing through it for the past hour or so 


Couldn't find the demo download however, could somebody post a link?    

Avid is also making a big push into improving notation with Pro Tools. Check out this interview with Bobbi Lombardi (near the end he talks about the notation project he is involved with). http://www.pensadosplace....ct-management-at-avid/

Sidroe


Great to see more Notion users popping up! Don't get the wrong idea from my previous post. I have always relied heavily on the staff view in Cakewalk products. I started out training in classical music so I have always been used to reading scores. We all are aware of the shortcomings in the staff view department. Let's not beat that dead horse. Thanks to Notion I have found a bridge between a notation program and what was available in Sonar. I upgraded a few days ago to Notion 4. I have both the 32 and 64 bit versions working. I am very pleased with what Notion has done this time around, other than the reverb and guitar sim that comes in Notion now. I still have Notion 3 on my machine so I just trade out the new reverb for the CSR reverb. I am really looking forward to finding the time to getting re-wired Notion and Sonar talking to each other. BTW, the Notion people seem to have re-worked the audio engine. The latency is so low on my machine it's scary.

I should think the Notion/Rewire thing is pretty straightforward to set up, in fact I notice Notion has a video tutorial for this on their YouTube channel. Seems like Notion is a pretty reasonable price so I may look into it, would love to start writing music "properly" and hearing it in Sonar!

EDIT: have just read Ducatibruce2's post above, looks like it's not what I hoped after all 

what sidroe says is correct but remember that notion 64 does not have a bridge to use 32 bit vsti's. You can get jbridge to do that if you need it.

Fog


just because they bought the ex-staff , don't read loads into it...

remember the bitwig staff are some ex ableton staff
studio 1 has some ex steinberg staff

you need to wait a fair bit to find out what happens and they could make something that is solely locked to steinberg / yamaha (their owners) products. they could of course take on something to challenge Sibelius / notation 3 or whatever it is

True, but this tells me is that Steinberg (Yamaha) and Pro Tools (Avid) are serious about notation.  It's also worth mentioning that the Cubase and Pro Tools DAW's have built-in notation editing which run circles around that of (Roland) Cakewalk's Sonar.
 
Funny, if Logic was still owned by Emagic, I'd bet they'd have been in the quest for the Sibelius resources too.