Interesting "info" on usb vs. fw

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Interesting "info" on usb vs. fw

Found this on a site that sells USB stuff

FireWire vs. USB 2.0

Question: Which is faster Hi-Speed USB 2.0 or FireWire?
Answer: In sustained throughput FireWire is faster than USB 2.0.

Question: If Hi-Speed USB 2.0 is a 480 Mbps interface and FireWire is a 400 Mbps interface, how can FireWire be faster?
Answer: Differences in the architecture of the two interfaces have a huge impact on the sustained throughput.

FireWire vs. USB 2.0 - Architecture
  • FireWire, uses a "Peer-to-Peer" architecture in which the peripherals are intelligent and can negotiate bus conflicts to determine which device can best control a data transfer
     
  • Hi-Speed USB 2.0 uses a "Master-Slave" architecture in which the computer handles all arbitration functions and dictates data flow to, from and between the attached peripherals (adding additional system overhead and resulting in slower data flow control)

FireWire vs. USB 2.0 Hard Drive Performance Comparison
Read and write tests to the same IDE hard drive connected using FireWire and then Hi-Speed USB 2.0 show:
Read Test:
  • 5000 files (300 MB total) FireWire was 33% faster than USB 2.0
  • 160 files (650MB total) FireWire was 70% faster than USB 2.0
Write Test:
  • 5000 files (300 MB total) FireWire was 16% faster than USB 2.0
  • 160 files (650MB total) FireWire was 48% faster than USB 2.0






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    Re:Interesting "info" on usb vs. fw 2010/12/19 16:03:52 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info !

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    Re:Interesting "info" on usb vs. fw 2010/12/20 14:07:35 (permalink)
    gustabo


    Found this on a site that sells USB stuff

    FireWire vs. USB 2.0

    Question: Which is faster Hi-Speed USB 2.0 or FireWire?
    Answer: In sustained throughput FireWire is faster than USB 2.0.

    Question: If Hi-Speed USB 2.0 is a 480 Mbps interface and FireWire is a 400 Mbps interface, how can FireWire be faster?
    Answer: Differences in the architecture of the two interfaces have a huge impact on the sustained throughput.

    FireWire vs. USB 2.0 - Architecture
    • FireWire, uses a "Peer-to-Peer" architecture in which the peripherals are intelligent and can negotiate bus conflicts to determine which device can best control a data transfer
       
    • Hi-Speed USB 2.0 uses a "Master-Slave" architecture in which the computer handles all arbitration functions and dictates data flow to, from and between the attached peripherals (adding additional system overhead and resulting in slower data flow control)

    FireWire vs. USB 2.0 Hard Drive Performance Comparison
    Read and write tests to the same IDE hard drive connected using FireWire and then Hi-Speed USB 2.0 show:
    Read Test:
    • 5000 files (300 MB total) FireWire was 33% faster than USB 2.0
    • 160 files (650MB total) FireWire was 70% faster than USB 2.0
    Write Test:
    • 5000 files (300 MB total) FireWire was 16% faster than USB 2.0
    • 160 files (650MB total) FireWire was 48% faster than USB 2.0



    The problem with that information is that it's doing big data and using all the bandwidth. Audio doesn't do that. There just isn't that much data going at any one time.  So both are plenty fast enough for even the largest interfaces.  Since the audio only needs to get that at the sample rate (clock speed) with maybe a tiny buffer it does not good at all to be able to move huge chucks of data.  It's not like it can read ahead from the converters if it has time and capture stuff you haven't even played yet !! LOL

    The CPU resource issue was real back in the days of slower computers. Firewire had an advantage because USB used up more CPU. That's a non issue now. A PC fast enough to run a recent version of Sonar can easily handle all the USB traffic also.

    Then there is the ugly firewire chipset issue.  Even tho you can do some nice things with the driver and protocol there doesn't seem to be many drivers that can do that and still work with the different chipsets out there. You can always find a TI chipset card for a desktop but there are no laptops I know of that have it built in.   I don't think that issue will ever be fully put to rest and even if all the vendors did get the drivers perfect on all chipsets, by then USB will be the way to go. USB3 is already out that on systems, it's just a matter of time before sound interfaces start showing up.
    post edited by ohhey - 2010/12/20 14:09:35
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    Re:Interesting "info" on usb vs. fw 2010/12/20 14:12:08 (permalink)
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    The problem with that information is that it's doing big data and using all the bandwidth. Audio doesn't do that. There just isn't that much data going at any one time.  So both are plenty fast enough for even the largest interfaces.  Since the audio only needs to get that at the sample rate (clock speed) with maybe a tiny buffer it does not good at all to be able to move huge chucks of data.  It's not like it can read ahead from the converters if it has time and capture stuff you haven't even played yet !! LOL

    The CPU resource issue was real back in the days of slower computers. Firewire had an advantage because USB used up more CPU. That's a non issue now. A PC fast enough to run a recent version of Sonar can easily handle all the USB traffic also.

    Then there is the ugly firewire chipset issue.  Even tho you can do some nice things with the driver and protocol there doesn't seem to be many drivers that can do that and still work with the different chipsets out there. You can always find a TI chipset card for a desktop but there are no laptops I know of that have it built in.   I don't think that issue will ever be fully put to rest and even if all the vendors did get the drivers perfect on all chipsets, by then USB will be the way to go. USB3 is already out that on systems, it's just a matter of time before sound interfaces start showing up.

    By the way, firewire is faster for big data transfers, I've tried it. However, USB is more stabe. I've had problems with firewire connections to drives and never a problem with USB. If you use an external drive you would want to use eSATA or USB3 now anyway.

    post edited by ohhey - 2010/12/20 14:14:39
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    Re:Interesting "info" on usb vs. fw 2010/12/20 15:00:15 (permalink)
    Not arguing but 300MB divided by 5000 files = average of 60K per file (not a real big data file audio-wise)
    side note: not bothering to do the 1024 thing


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