Interface and controller problems.... still nothing. All ASIO drivers show up in DIM pro..

edit>> if I open Dimension Pro as a stand alone it gives me an option to choose ASIO4ALL and my internal card, the Line6 UX-2, and the ZOOM R16... ALL I get offered in X1 is ASIO4ALL. I Downloaded and installed the "hotfix" according to the directions by renaming the file and replacing it with the new one.. no luck. I hope I don't have to buy all new hardware... it might be cheaper t use different software... that works. This is frustrating. It seems like I have always had some sort of compatability problem or other. At least the UX-2 and the US-122 worked with S7PE, though I had to use mme drivers. This is supossed to work.
 
J
 
 
 
OP>> I have been trying to get a ZOOM R16 to work as an interface. X1 cannot seem to find it.
 
I tried to use an M-Audio O2 keyboard controller with Dim and SD. X1 sees it but I cannot seem to be able to trigger a sound with it. I also tried a Line6 UX-2 and X1 does not know it is there either. I was aware of a possible problem with the UX-2 needing the hotfix and maybe the R16 needs it too. All I get is ASIO4ALL. I set the R16 as a Mackie device and connected it as a device. I will try the hotfix but that still does not help me understand why the O2 is not working for me.
I am sure it is something that I do not understand... but I sure wish I coud figure it out. It seems like everytime I ever try to do anything with computer recording all I have is frustration. I realize it is probably user error and I have searched the manual, run the profiler, tried different kinds of drives, updated the controller drivers to the latest ones and still I can do nothing.
 
Can someone give me some ideas? I will try the hotfix later if you guys think it will help. I am going out for a few hours and will do it later or tomorrow. I am trying to keep a positive attitude.
 
Thanks,
Julien

Once in X1 go to the preferences and make sure that your 02 is selected as a midi input device.

I checked that, it was selected as input. I wanted to output through the R16 but it didn't show up as an option.
 

Next you have to setup a control surface. This is done from the preferences screen again and make sure that you have the "Advance Options" selected. Select your O2 as the midi device and if there is a predefined template you can use that otherwise you will have to manually configure (ACT?) X1 to know what to do with all the controller features.

I tried clicking the ACT button but it didn't seem to do anything. I will try again tomorrow and see if I can get it to work.
 
Thanks for the help. If I can't figure it out I will probably call CW. I am tired of beating my head against walls everytime I try to make this work. Other people seem to be able to make this all work and... I have never tried to learn to do something that I couldn't learn and I don't intent to start now.
 
Julien

While I am at it, i'd like to say that I am not pleased with the lack of any response from CW regarding why X1 does not show up on "my account" page... all my previous versions show up along with the Groove3 video.. but not X1 and aparrantly CW CS does not care to respond to email questions.. that figures.
 
J

remember when you uninstall asio4all get all of it or it may create some havoc..find all the files and delete them manualy after you uninstall.

Why are you using asio4all, they dont have their own asio drivers?

To run SONAR X1 as a Administrator: rightclick the X1 icon on the desktop and select Properties, and then click the Advanced button, and click the box next to "Run as an administrator."

 
Yeah, I try to remember to right cick the icon and "run as administrator". I'm not sure why I have to do this with W7.  I don't remember this ever being a problem before, a small annoyance at the most. I have two shortcuts on my desktop, one is the original that X1 placed there when I installed and it runs X1a. The other is linked to  SONARPDR.exe (hotfix) and runs X1a with the hotfix. I am pretty sure this is "user error".. it is non the less frustrating but once I get it figured out maybe I wont forget what I learn.
 
Hey thanks!
 
JB

SONAR can only use one ASIO driver at a time. If you're in ASIO driver mode in SONAR, you should see all your ASIO drivers listed in Preferences under Audio Devices. If you have more than one audio interface with ASIO drivers, you will have to uncheck all the driver names for one device to be able to check the driver names for another device under input drivers and output drivers. To get to the Preferences dialog press the "P" key on your querty keyboard. Hope that helps.

 
Thomas, that may hep a lot. I have not had time today to work on it yet but will shortly. Yesterday I had the O2 hookedup via USB and then was trying to also hook up the R16. I was thinking I could use the O2 in Session Drummer and the R16 as a comtroller all at once and maye I can.. or not. I'll try the R16 alone and the O2 alone.
 
All I relly need is an interface to work in 64 bit for guitar, bass, and mic... and a keyboard controller for SD and Dim and other softsynths. I am pretty sure the US-122 will work for the recording interface and it has direct monitoring. So if the O2 will work, I think I can stumble along just fine.
 
I really, truly appreciate the help.
 
Julien

Thanks Thomas. I think I can get that done. I can use WDM and direct monitoring for recording audio then use a keyboard controller alone with softsynths in realtime. I think that should work as long as I use them independently and there is no reason for me not to... just unplug. plug, and choose device and driver. I'l probably end up with one of the Roland/CW keyboard controllers and a VS-100.
 
Thanks!
 
Julien 
 

Thanks Randy,
 
I have been thinking it over and the most important thing for me to be able wo use ASIO drivers with is the O2 (or some other midi controller so I can use softsynths in realtime). For audio input it really doesn't matter, at least I think it doesn't matter, because with audio recording I can use the direct monitoring.
I will be happy when X1 sees a my devices. I know they are all there with ASIO drivers available because, as I said earlier, DIM Pro has them all available if I open it independent of X1.
I was wondering if I could open Dimension Pro and choose the controller from it, then route it's output to an X1 track.. do you know if that is something to consider. It wont solve the Session Drummer/controller thing but I may just try using the sequencer with SD, the G3 vid really makes it look easy... probably not but maybe practice will make "better".
 
Thanks for the ideas and support. You have no idea... I have given up in the past because of the frustration of trying to get my HW to work with my SW... I intend to push through it this time regardless of how long it takes or hw much I have to spend, if I need different HW... but first I am going to do all I can with what I have and wait for X1b before changing any HW.
 
Thanks again..
 
Julien

OK Julien, let's try to get you up and running. It does appear that you are confusing MIDI with an audio device. But scratch that for now. I'll walk you through setup for X1. I looked up some of your equipment. What appears to be the basic equipment relevant here is the ZOOM R-16, Tascam US-122, and your M-Audio O2 keyboard controller. The ZOOM R 16 seems to be the audio interface with the most inputs and outputs (enough to do what you want, but I never heard of Zoom and I don't know their reputation for making reliable drivers for their audio interfaces.) Furthermore, unless you are recording 2 or more audio inputs simultaneously, one audio input and one MIDI input is all that's needed.

I suggest we start setup with the M-Audio O2 and the Tascam US-122.

There is a driver for your M-Audio O2. It is the M-Audio USB MIDI Series 5.0.1 driver found here: http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support&tab=driver&serie_ID=3&PID=b916e4e9c3fd0d02c7dca7d0f1767a53&OS=x91 Becasue you say that the Dimension Pro StandAlone app already see's your MIDI controller, you may not even need to install this driver. But in case you do, download it and install it if you do not see the M-Audio O2 MIDI inputs and outputs in the Preferences dialog after you do what I write below.

Setup MIDI devices:

Since the M-Audio O2 is a USB MIDI controller, you have to turn it on before you open X1, so that X1 will detect it. Once it's turned on, open X1. Press "P" on the PC keyboard to bring up the Preferences dialog. Click on MIDI in the Preferences dialog and on the right you should see your MIDI devices, the M-Audio O2 inputs and outputs, for example. Click in the boxes for the M-Audio O2 MIDI inputs and outputs to place a checkmark in them, and select Apply at the bottom of the Preferences window.

(If you don't see the M-Audio O2 inputs and output, and you have the M-Audio O2 turned on and connected to the PC before you start X1, you will have to install the drivers for the M-Audio O2, which link to the drivers download I provided above. Once the drivers are installed, with the O2 connected to the PC and turned on, go back through the MIDI setup as explained above?)

Audio Interface Setup:

Have SONAR closed. Have the Tascam US-122 connected to a USB port on your PC and turned on, and have the M-Audio O2 connected to your PC and turned on.

Now open SONAR and press the "P" key on your PC keyboard to bring up the Preferences dialog. Under Audio, click on Playback and Recording, select ASIO for the Driver Mode and click apply at the bottom. Select Devices under Audio, you should see the list of input/output drivers. Here you want to only have a checkmark in the driver names for the Tascam US-122. If any input/output driver names are selected other than the Tascam US-122 driver names, you have to uncheck all the input/output driver names before you can select the driver names for the Tascam US-122. Once the input and output driver names for the Tascam US-122 are selected with a checkmark in the boxes, click apply.

Now setup a new project with the project setting you want by selecting Driver Settings in the Preferences dialog. Choose a sample rate that's compatible with your audio interface. Click the ASIO Panel button to select a hardware samples per buffer setting of 128 or lower. The lower the setting, the closer you come to realtime latency when playing and recording softsynths. After you choose the project settings you want, click apply and close the Preferences dialog.

Now load a softsynth and test it for realtime playback. See the tutorial number 4 in the SONAR Help file if you need help loading and recording asoftsynth.

If you have problems or any more questions, come back and post? :)

Goodluck.

Hi Thomas,
 
I am going to try your advice this evening. I thought I was going to beout ofluck with the US-122 and I still may be BUT, although Tascam/TEAC has no W7 drivers and theylist the US-122 as "discontinued" I found a post by Vampyre online http://www.sevenforums.com/drivers/28708-tascam-us-122-a.html
(for anyone thinging that the US-122 is a boat anchor if you go to Windows 7... this might work)
that gives some directions on how to make it work. It took a few tries but the lights are now on. I finally got the latest XP/Vista driver to install on W7 by choosing to use a compatibility setting for Vista SP3 when installing. I am going to unplug it now and work through your suggestions... i'll let you know how it works.
 
Thanks,
 
Julien

Julien:

If need be, just setup the ZOOM instead of the Tascam audio interface. I overlooked that there is no Windows 7 driver for the Tascam unit you have. I've seen some users here post that they have a Tascam audio interface but I thought it was one with Win 7 drivers and assumed your unit had Win 7 drivers. Maybe your unit is an older one.

We'll do whatever it takes to get you up and running, including using ASIO4All if we have to. :)

For what it's worth, getting that VS-100 may be a good idea. But before you do that, let's try to get you up and running with one of the audio interfaces you already have?

I assume I can connect them to the US-122 and use it as a controller,

 
You are correct. In this case, make sure you have the midi in for the US-122 selected as a MIDI device in X1 from the Preferences dialog.
 
Glad to hear you are up and running! :) 
 
If the US-122 has an ASIO driver, I recomend using ASIO because once you start using more than one softsynth in a project, you will begin to hear clicks and pops and experience drop outs. ASIO drivers usually provide the more stable performance in such a case.
 
Now or soon, you can try to setup the ZOOM audio interface. It has more inputs and outputs and it can be used as a control surface.
 
For future references, it's a good idea to try to go with an audio interface that's been proven to work well with SONAR. Some options are M-Audio, Echo Audio, MOTU, Cakewalk's new audio interfaces, such as the VS-100, and RME. Some higher priced stuff includes Lynx and Apogee.
 
Cya around.
 
EDIT:
 
Oh yeah, remember to turn off the US-122 and unplug it from the USB port before you restart or shut down your computer. Some users were experiencing system hangs unless they shut it off before restarting or shutting down.

refesus... you shuld repost this in it's own thread because not many people are going to see it here. I think most will assume it is an old thread, especially those who may be able to help you because they know they have already done what they cane here. I think you'll get help that way. wish I could help but I feel like a blind man trying to run a 70 year old telephone switchboard. I bet it is something simple because X1b is supossed to fix this.
 
Good luck, I will watch for your thread because I also plan to try and use an R-16 with X1b... if it gives me trouble I am going to sell it and get a VS-100.
 
Julien