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Interior Illumination Inquiry

Say that 10 times fast! :-)

I've been looking for something specific that I can't find on the net, and since I've seen a few threads about lighting, I figured I'd ask here.

I'm looking for 2600K G8 puck light bulbs. I have 3100K G8 bulbs in them now, but they are too white. I'm also looking for 2600K CFL bulbs.

Can't seem to pinpoint either one.

Any idea's? I've done the searches and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/07 11:28:48 (permalink)
    Having a Bono moment?

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/07 11:32:25 (permalink)
    The problem is, all the colors bleed in to one, they bleed in to one!

    That's why I need 2600k. A nice yellowish, more incandescent glow.

    :)

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/07 11:38:19 (permalink)
    Bleed into one watt what?

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/07 11:54:20 (permalink)
    Wrap them with some Roscoe 1/8 CTO?


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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/07 12:08:13 (permalink)
    *sIgH*. :-) Thanks Mike. :-)

    Ya know ... G8's are Xenon lamps. The only reason I got them was, I was reading that Halogen lamps were banned and you can't get them anymore, which I have now discovered is a lie. But, I'm $150 bucks in to these lights now and my wife will murder me if I go buy another set that will accept Halogen bulbs.

    Xenon by design is meant for a whiter light ... but I didn't think they would be LED White white.

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/07 12:13:35 (permalink)
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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/13 09:57:15 (permalink)
    In case anyone is interested ...

    As for the CFL's ... even though they say they are 2700K, they aren't. I've tried a few different brands now and they all have a cool white fluorescent glow to them. They are what they are and it looks like I'll just have to live with it.

    I found some G8 bulbs though that sit right in the upper 2700K range perfectly. $12 bucks for a 3 pack at Lowe's. They aren't with the light bulbs, those are $8 bucks each for some odd reason? You have to go over to the lighting department and look in the accent/puck lighting section. I don't know how long they'll last, but I'm wiring up dimmers for them, so that should extend their life.

    I had a ceiling fan with lights that I wired a remote control unit in to in my old house. When you'd turn the light on, the remote unit caused them to slowly fade on, plus we kept them dimmed a bit. Those bulbs were 14 years old and still worked. There's something to be said for dimmers.

    Just an FYI for those who take their lighting seriously.

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/13 10:11:34 (permalink)
    In the case of speciality types of consumer bulbs you're going to have to go to a lighting speciality retail store. The G8's are common for puck lights but the special spectrum bulbs are somewhat controlled so people don't order and install them by mistake. Some of them have different heat characteristics making them possibly dangerous for certain applications and puck lights. The 2600K bulbs should be cooler and no problem but Lowes is not likely to carry them.

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/13 10:30:38 (permalink)
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    In case anyone is interested ...

    As for the CFL's ... even though they say they are 2700K, they aren't. I've tried a few different brands now and they all have a cool white fluorescent glow to them. They are what they are and it looks like I'll just have to live with it.

    I found some G8 bulbs though that sit right in the upper 2700K range perfectly. $12 bucks for a 3 pack at Lowe's. They aren't with the light bulbs, those are $8 bucks each for some odd reason? You have to go over to the lighting department and look in the accent/puck lighting section. I don't know how long they'll last, but I'm wiring up dimmers for them, so that should extend their life.

    I had a ceiling fan with lights that I wired a remote control unit in to in my old house. When you'd turn the light on, the remote unit caused them to slowly fade on, plus we kept them dimmed a bit. Those bulbs were 14 years old and still worked. There's something to be said for dimmers.

    Just an FYI for those who take their lighting seriously.

    @craigb: :-)


    are you testing them to know they are 2700K?  just curious.  I assume you have a tester?  I've never even seen a tester.  where do you get them?

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/13 10:38:02 (permalink)
    cool.  how much do they typically cost?

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/13 10:43:23 (permalink)
    Crg

    In the case of speciality types of consumer bulbs you're going to have to go to a lighting speciality retail store. The G8's are common for puck lights but the special spectrum bulbs are somewhat controlled so people don't order and install them by mistake.
    I ordered a set of puck lights online. They are really well made, not like the ones you get at HD or Lowe's. It said they came with warm Xenon. Not true at all. It looked like I had a row of old time blue tinted fluorescent lights under my cabinets. I hated them.
    Some of them have different heat characteristics making them possibly dangerous for certain applications and puck lights.

    The 2600K bulbs should be cooler and no problem but Lowes is not likely to carry them.
    Yeah, Lowe's has them, that's where I got them. Here's a link. They look great. They don't have a very good rating, but none of them do. These kind of bulbs only last a few months, a lot longer if you use a dimmer though.

    I found them by reverse lookup so to speak. I couldn't find anything out there that stated 'G8 26/2700K'. I happened to be looking at ceiling fans there one day and noticed they had puck lights that cast the exact light I was looking for. It took G8's, so I looked around the isle until I found the replacement bulbs. The guy there said those bulbs fly off the shelf. He said they've gone through 35 packs in the last 2 weeks and he had more on order. There's another Lowe's up the road and they had them.

    These bulbs have that incandescent glow that I like. I don't like LED, bright white, cool white, etc. lighting.

    I got the lights wired, I just have to tie them in to the outlets and put in dimmers. Not an easy task though since there's only a single gang box. I have to fish wiring, cut sheetrock, put new boxes in. All before this weekend. We're finishing up the remodel and the backsplash tile will be here on Friday. We're doing the tile work and we have to get it done this weekend before Thanksgiving. Actually, my wife is doing the tile work. She's really good at it. I just cut the tile and hand her what she needs.

    My wife said I was crazy for making such a fuss over the light the bulbs put out until we finally got them up. The original ones completely changed the color of our new countertops and made them look horrible. That's when I got the 'ok' to get the correct lights. ;)


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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/13 10:48:35 (permalink)
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    In case anyone is interested ...

    As for the CFL's ... even though they say they are 2700K, they aren't. I've tried a few different brands now and they all have a cool white fluorescent glow to them. They are what they are and it looks like I'll just have to live with it.

    I found some G8 bulbs though that sit right in the upper 2700K range perfectly. $12 bucks for a 3 pack at Lowe's. They aren't with the light bulbs, those are $8 bucks each for some odd reason? You have to go over to the lighting department and look in the accent/puck lighting section. I don't know how long they'll last, but I'm wiring up dimmers for them, so that should extend their life.

    I had a ceiling fan with lights that I wired a remote control unit in to in my old house. When you'd turn the light on, the remote unit caused them to slowly fade on, plus we kept them dimmed a bit. Those bulbs were 14 years old and still worked. There's something to be said for dimmers.

    Just an FYI for those who take their lighting seriously.

    @craigb: :-)
    are you testing them to know they are 2700K?  just curious.  I assume you have a tester?  I've never even seen a tester.  where do you get them?
    I'm not testing them, I'm just basing it off other lights (incandescent) that I know are rated at 26/2700K that look good.

    It seems, and I don't know if this shouldn't be the case or not, that incandescent and fluorescent Kelvin readings are not equal. IOW ... a 2700K CFL doesn't look like a 2700K incandescent bulb by any stretch of the imagination ... at least none of the brands of CFL I've tried.

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/13 11:01:49 (permalink)
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    In case anyone is interested ...

    As for the CFL's ... even though they say they are 2700K, they aren't. I've tried a few different brands now and they all have a cool white fluorescent glow to them. They are what they are and it looks like I'll just have to live with it.

    I found some G8 bulbs though that sit right in the upper 2700K range perfectly. $12 bucks for a 3 pack at Lowe's. They aren't with the light bulbs, those are $8 bucks each for some odd reason? You have to go over to the lighting department and look in the accent/puck lighting section. I don't know how long they'll last, but I'm wiring up dimmers for them, so that should extend their life.

    I had a ceiling fan with lights that I wired a remote control unit in to in my old house. When you'd turn the light on, the remote unit caused them to slowly fade on, plus we kept them dimmed a bit. Those bulbs were 14 years old and still worked. There's something to be said for dimmers.

    Just an FYI for those who take their lighting seriously.

    @craigb: :-)
    are you testing them to know they are 2700K?  just curious.  I assume you have a tester?  I've never even seen a tester.  where do you get them?
    I'm not testing them, I'm just basing it off other lights (incandescent) that I know are rated at 26/2700K that look good.

    It seems, and I don't know if this shouldn't be the case or not, that incandescent and fluorescent Kelvin readings are not equal. IOW ... a 2700K CFL doesn't look like a 2700K incandescent bulb by any stretch of the imagination ... at least none of the brands of CFL I've tried.


    that's interesting that they're not the same "scale"

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/13 11:23:06 (permalink)
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    In case anyone is interested ...

    As for the CFL's ... even though they say they are 2700K, they aren't. I've tried a few different brands now and they all have a cool white fluorescent glow to them. They are what they are and it looks like I'll just have to live with it.

    I found some G8 bulbs though that sit right in the upper 2700K range perfectly. $12 bucks for a 3 pack at Lowe's. They aren't with the light bulbs, those are $8 bucks each for some odd reason? You have to go over to the lighting department and look in the accent/puck lighting section. I don't know how long they'll last, but I'm wiring up dimmers for them, so that should extend their life.

    I had a ceiling fan with lights that I wired a remote control unit in to in my old house. When you'd turn the light on, the remote unit caused them to slowly fade on, plus we kept them dimmed a bit. Those bulbs were 14 years old and still worked. There's something to be said for dimmers.

    Just an FYI for those who take their lighting seriously.

    @craigb: :-)
    are you testing them to know they are 2700K?  just curious.  I assume you have a tester?  I've never even seen a tester.  where do you get them?
    I'm not testing them, I'm just basing it off other lights (incandescent) that I know are rated at 26/2700K that look good.

    It seems, and I don't know if this shouldn't be the case or not, that incandescent and fluorescent Kelvin readings are not equal. IOW ... a 2700K CFL doesn't look like a 2700K incandescent bulb by any stretch of the imagination ... at least none of the brands of CFL I've tried.
    that's interesting that they're not the same "scale"
    I just picked up a 4 pack of 2700K Sylvania CFL's for a new rustic style chandelier light I put in our hallway yesterday. They are a lot better than the last brand I got. I forget what they were called, Utilitech or something like that. They both have stamped on the side of them 2700K, but they are by no means equal.

    I'm going to swap them today. I mentioned the new hallway light because it was such an awesome deal. It was a $200 light fixture on clearance for $35! The box was all smashed, but I opened it and checked everything it was still like new.

    Gotta go. Got some stuff to do in town.

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/13 17:04:47 (permalink)
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    Cool!  Forget how much the bulbs are, how much is one of these testers???

     
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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/13 17:53:39 (permalink)
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    mike_mccue




    Cool!  Forget how much the bulbs are, how much is one of these testers???
    I don't know, but he probably bought a couple just to prove me wrong.

    ;-)


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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/13 18:25:52 (permalink)


    A lot of cheap cameras can be manipulated to "white balance" on something white that you point the camera at and report the estimated color of the light.


    Heck, I'll bet the iPhone does it.


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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/13 18:58:12 (permalink)
    Glad you found them. I'm amazed you found them at Lowes and not on the internet. Hope they work out.

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/14 09:03:52 (permalink)
    Shoot in raw and forget about white balance.

    For me it's halogen all the way, best lighting ever, so warm and nice. The day they make them illegal here I'm buying a container full of them. We can't have CFLS because of the parrots, if you have birds never have CFL lighting on them, they will see the flicker unless you get high frequency bird CFLS, imagine living your life under a strobe light, no wonder so many parrots go crazy.



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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/14 09:19:52 (permalink)


    "Shoot in raw and forget about white balance."




    Shooting photos in RAW merely allows you to put off making a white balance decision until later. Eventually, you'll have to not forget about it.


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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/14 10:39:21 (permalink)
    In the future consider adjustable lightbulbs. Last week I heard of these:

    Philips Hue bulbs "can display can display different tones of white light – from warm yellow white to vibrant blue white. Of course, it can also recreate any color in the spectrum."
    You can control them with an Ipad.

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/14 11:54:46 (permalink)


    I was looking at a $25 remote controlled LED at Lowes 2 days ago... it could make 8 different "party" colors and it came with it's very own remote control.




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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/14 12:58:25 (permalink)
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    "Shoot in raw and forget about white balance."




    Shooting photos in RAW merely allows you to put off making a white balance decision until later. Eventually, you'll have to not forget about it.

    Shooting jpeg applies the white balance correction to the jpg/bitmap, that means you will have to do destructive editing to fix a bad white balance.

    But I think you knew perfectly fine what I meant.

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/14 13:35:54 (permalink)


    I think you think I am thinking what you think.






    I had mentioned that many cheap cameras can function as a cheap spectrometer and, I think, you are discussing digital photo editing.

    Or sumthin' like that.


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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/14 13:49:47 (permalink)
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    I think you think I am thinking what you think.

     I had mentioned that many cheap cameras can function as a cheap spectrometer and, I think, you are discussing digital photo editing.


    I see, must have skipped over that, carry on...

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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/14 15:57:42 (permalink)
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    In the future consider adjustable lightbulbs. Last week I heard of these:

    Philips Hue bulbs "can display can display different tones of white light – from warm yellow white to vibrant blue white. Of course, it can also recreate any color in the spectrum."
    You can control them with an Ipad.

    http://www.meethue.com/en-US/getstarted#bulbs


    I'm not saying it's rational, but I LOVE these types of things!   I can easily see myself getting these once I can afford to.

     
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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/15 07:47:02 (permalink)
    to me, nothing looks as good as the good old incandescent lamps when it comes to interior lighting for a home or office. 

    My suggestion: buy the lightbulbs in various wattages by the case and store them in your garage or attic until needed. The tree huggers and green weenie wacko's are trying to get them ALL banned in favor of the LED, and toxic lamps..... makes no sense to me when they had a hissy fit over mercury a number of years back and now these new toxic lamps are the darlings of that movement. Go figure....

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    Karyn
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    Re:Interior Illumination Inquiry 2012/11/15 08:19:36 (permalink)
    I like the new LED lamps.   My front room is lit by 2 banks of 4 GU10s running of a dimmer.  I always had problems with bulb life with the GU10s so I bit the bullet and forked out for a load of dimmable LED GU10s.   The light is the same colour and brightness as the old halogen ones.
     
    60W dimmable LED GU10
    post edited by Karyn - 2012/11/15 08:29:16

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