Intermittent squealing from Speakers

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2014/05/25 14:03:21 (permalink)

Intermittent squealing from Speakers

So I've had my Event TR-6's forever, but recently switched from unbalanced cables to balanced because of my new audio interface. Now maybe they used to squeal too and it just wasn't noticeable, but ever since the switch, the left one has an intermittent squeal (almost like the kind you used to get if you had your 2g cell phone near the speakers). It happens when there's nothing playing. I think it happens when there's stuff playing too, but I'm not sure, kinda hard to tell.
 
Everything in my setup is hooked up to one high quality surge protector/battery backup and one outlet in the wall.
 
I'm not the kind of guy that knows how to check for line interference and that stuff, so I was wondering... These balanced cables I'm using, I just had laying around... Is this the kind of thing that could be caused by crappy cables? If so I'll just go buy some new ones and see if it works, but I figured I'd ask around first.
 
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    Re: Intermittent squealing from Speakers 2014/05/25 21:53:47 (permalink)
    You didn't perchance happen to purchase a buss powered USB interface? 

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    Re: Intermittent squealing from Speakers 2014/05/25 22:07:37 (permalink)
    yes sir. Focusrite Scarlett 2i4.

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    Re: Intermittent squealing from Speakers 2014/05/26 05:14:39 (permalink)
    You should definitely get some new and good balanced xlr's.  Also, get a ferite USB cable as well if you don't already have one.  I suspect your cables because one side is OK.
     
    Can you hear the sound in your cans thru the 2i4 w/o connecting the USB to your PC?  If not, then you may be picking up the sound of your power supply through your cables.  
     
     

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    Re: Intermittent squealing from Speakers 2014/05/26 10:03:05 (permalink)
    OK thanks for the advice. I'll definitely check into switching to good xlr cables (balanced XLR to 1/4" right? that's what my output on the interface is)... As for the USB cable I'm just using the included one. I didn't know there was really a difference in other usb cables, i thought usb was kind of all created equally when not used for charging something. I'll look into that too.

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    Re: Intermittent squealing from Speakers 2014/05/26 10:08:34 (permalink)
    You want balanced xlr to balanced 1/4" phone (the 1/4" will look like a stereo plug).
    Read about USB ferrite cables here:
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrite_bead
     
     

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    Re: Intermittent squealing from Speakers 2014/05/26 10:21:00 (permalink)
    ok so make sure it specifically says balanced on both sides. cool. yea the cables i'm using now honestly were just just hand me downs so i bet that's really the source of the problem.

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    Re: Intermittent squealing from Speakers 2014/05/26 10:36:38 (permalink)
    I think I warned you about bus powered interfaces in your thread where you were shopping, sorry if I missed passing that along. It is a huge reason I went with the Scarlett 6i6 which is not buss powered and only a few dollars more. My friend bought the 2i4 and has the squealing too. He just ignores it I guess. I told him about the USB cable trick.

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    Re: Intermittent squealing from Speakers 2014/05/26 11:38:56 (permalink)
    I remember you commenting yea. I just really wanted to go for simpler. I wouldn't have been against a separate power cable, but I really don't need so many ins and outs.... I still haven't even hooked my guitar into In #2 since getting the whole thing setup! haha. Plus I read a million reviews that all loved the thing. That being said, it's honestly something I can very much live with and overall I love my 2i4. The only time it's a problem is when my girlfriend needs to record voice overs, I need to just turn off that left monitor and then the room is nice and quiet.

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    Re: Intermittent squealing from Speakers 2014/05/26 12:06:34 (permalink)
    Hey if it's not in the headphones that's good, my friends was in his headphones.
    You are using headphones for overdubs,, right? Using live monitors would leak big time into the vocal track. I know some people hate headphones, but I'm pretty firm on that aspect.
    Apparently a ferrite? USB cable works to get rid of the noise. It's some kind of USB grounding issue and not all computers and/or USB ports will cause trouble.

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    Re: Intermittent squealing from Speakers 2014/05/26 12:27:21 (permalink)
    yea definitely headphones while recording :-)
     
    that's really interesting about the usb cable. i'll probably order one when i order my new balanced cables. might as well.

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    Re: Intermittent squealing from Speakers 2014/05/26 14:56:19 (permalink)
    YA it has something to do with both the power and the digital signal and something called the "pin 1 issue" Sorry I can't seem to find any links to a thread, I'm sure it was here in the hardware forum,, might have been the computer form..?

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    Re: Intermittent squealing from Speakers 2014/06/17 20:01:06 (permalink)
    Just wanted to check in and let everyone know, the balanced XLR to 1/4" cables I bought off Sweetwater did the trick. I guess the ones I got from my friend were just old and crappy.
     
    Thanks for the help everyone.

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    Re: Intermittent squealing from Speakers 2014/06/17 22:49:33 (permalink)
    Yep, cables are boring, but pretty critical to good sound. And they are a good investment. I haven't had to buy a new cable for 15 or 20 years because I bought all good stuff in the first place. Beldon/Swicthcraft/Mongami and Nuetrix. 

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