Sharkbite
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Internal hard drive?
I am looking to add an internal hard drive to my Dell optiplex 780 for audio back up for song files. Is there a recommendation that works well with Sonar X3 or does it not matter which one you use?
Thanks,
James
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 08:22:07
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For purely backup purposes, many of us use External drives rather than Internals.
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 08:26:27
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Thanks. I have an external but I remember reading a thread on here a few years back about the use of internal hard drives for improving speed of the computer or maybe just not slowing it down. It was something about how it is slower for the information to go to and from an external hard drive where as the secondary internal hard drive was set up for that. So I guess I am trying now to figure out what the purpose of that internal secondary hard drive was.
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 08:32:05
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Yes, the going to and from hard drive is a concern when you are talking about working on an actual project from the drive, but doesn't come into play when you are talking about simply storing files for back up. External is the best imho for backing up, and safer because its a totally different location than your computer.
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 08:35:24
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2nd internal drive can be better for saving and working on your actual projects audio files as opposed to saving on the drive that your OS is on.
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 08:44:58
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"2nd internal drive can be better for saving and working on your actual projects audio files as opposed to saving on the drive that your OS is on." KingsMix
Great, thanks. So is there a specific hard drive size and make that you recommend? I remember a few people recommending one specific drive but I can't find the thread for that post.
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 08:59:40
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☼ Best Answerby Sharkbite 2016/11/17 17:49:55
Make is a matter of taste and trust. Speed is the more important spec 7200 rpm or better
I use WD Black (Western Digital) Drives 1TB.
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Sharkbite
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 09:18:25
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KingsMix
Make is a matter of taste and trust. Speed is the more important spec 7200 rpm or better
I use WD Black (Western Digital) Drives 1TB.
Perfect, that is what I needed to know, it's all coming back to me now. Many thanks, shark
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 09:54:13
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☄ Helpfulby Sharkbite 2016/11/17 17:50:25
speed and cache as well.
I also use a WD 1 TB for storage.
if you don't have many songs though and want to stream from it (run projects off of it)
Grab an SSD. they are lightning fast and for a 256GB can be had for under 70 Bucks.
I never run projects off a second HD. typically any time I want to load a project, I copy/paste the audio folder and project file to my C/Drive and run it from there unless my back up is an SSD.
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 10:05:15
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☄ Helpfulby Sharkbite 2016/11/17 17:50:17
Sharkbite, please learn from my mistake...for years I backed up projects as insurance against what I thought were the most probable disaster scenarios: disk failure and user-error. When disaster really did strike, though, it wasn't either of those things but something unexpected: theft. The thieves took 12 years of projects and their backups.
It could have been fire or a lightning strike, too, with the same result.
The only way to guard against all threats is a removable drive that you routinely disconnect and stash somewhere away from the computer. If your studio is in the garage, keep the backups in the house. If your studio is in the house, keep them in the garage. If neither is an option, use the glove box in your car as your offsite storage facility.
While an extra internal drive offers speed and convenience (handy if you back up frequently), I would urge you to consider an external drive (or high-capacity USB stick) as the ultimate fallback. There's no reason you can't have both.
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Sharkbite
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 10:19:03
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bitflipper
Sharkbite, please learn from my mistake...for years I backed up projects as insurance against what I thought were the most probable disaster scenarios: disk failure and user-error. When disaster really did strike, though, it wasn't either of those things but something unexpected: theft. The thieves took 12 years of projects and their backups.
It could have been fire or a lightning strike, too, with the same result.
The only way to guard against all threats is a removable drive that you routinely disconnect and stash somewhere away from the computer. If your studio is in the garage, keep the backups in the house. If your studio is in the house, keep them in the garage. If neither is an option, use the glove box in your car as your offsite storage facility.
While an extra internal drive offers speed and convenience (handy if you back up frequently), I would urge you to consider an external drive (or high-capacity USB stick) as the ultimate fallback. There's no reason you can't have both.
Excellent point, I do have other back ups both on line (IDrive) and I keep a back up at my brothers house. I can't imagine having my recording stolen. That has to be the worst feeling in the world.
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 10:20:55
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It's still unclear, at least to me  , if he wants this drive to be his main audio drive or for backing them up. 2 completely different scenarios with different recommendations.
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Sharkbite
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 10:27:29
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Bristol_Jonesey
It's still unclear, at least to me , if he wants this drive to be his main audio drive or for backing them up.
2 completely different scenarios with different recommendations.
The question should of been, "How do I not bog down my computer with just using a C drive?" or "How do I add a secondary internal drive and how should I set it up?".
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 11:05:34
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☄ Helpfulby Sharkbite 2016/11/17 17:50:02
I think I do what a lot of people do.
240 SSD C drive OS and programs
1 TB 7200 drive for all projects, masters, all things music for my last 30 years ( 60% cap)
1 TB 7200 drive for content and samples and back up of current working projects.
dozens of my old HD sitting in a box have every OS and data drive since 2000.
2 new 2 TB external drives with full back ups all our computers.
300 miles from here, stuff backed up on in laws computer
And most of our family photos are spread between 5 households and the cloud.
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 11:47:39
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Cactus Music
I think I do what a lot of people do.
240 SSD C drive OS and programs
1 TB 7200 drive for all projects, masters, all things music for my last 30 years ( 60% cap)
1 TB 7200 drive for content and samples and back up of current working projects.
dozens of my old HD sitting in a box have every OS and data drive since 2000.
2 new 2 TB external drives with full back ups all our computers.
300 miles from here, stuff backed up on in laws computer
And most of our family photos are spread between 5 households and the cloud.
Exactly how mine are set up.
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 17:51:26
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Cactus Music
I think I do what a lot of people do.
240 SSD C drive OS and programs
1 TB 7200 drive for all projects, masters, all things music for my last 30 years ( 60% cap)
1 TB 7200 drive for content and samples and back up of current working projects.
dozens of my old HD sitting in a box have every OS and data drive since 2000.
2 new 2 TB external drives with full back ups all our computers.
300 miles from here, stuff backed up on in laws computer
And most of our family photos are spread between 5 households and the cloud.
That is EXACTLY what I was wanting to know. Many thanks.
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 18:48:26
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☄ Helpfulby Sharkbite 2016/11/17 21:00:06
I've never had a problem running projects from a data drive. Been using that system for 12 years or more.
I like data drives because you can easily back the whole shebang up with simple drag and drop to anywhere.
Then when you upgrade your computer it's as simple as moving the data drive, or a clone of it, to the new machine and everything is right there. I have never lost one tiny bit of a project this way.
I date all my back up folders to keep track of which versions they might contain.
I replace my data drives at least every 3-5 years and at this point I've never had a drive fail.
I just keep upgrading and put the old ones in a shoe box. I have a 5 GB drive from my first PC and I think it still will spin up. I have a few old USB 1.0 drive enclosers that use the old ID cables.
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/17 20:59:57
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Johnny V, I am going to do that set up. I just ordered a hard drive and a shoe box.  I have a gizmo here that allows you to hook up a hard drive to your computer to access it and it has an old ID cable coming off of it. I need to also add what versions are on my drives, that is a great tip. Many thanks my friend.
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/18 06:45:33
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I've always built and bought systems with internal storage drives or internal removable drives (these usually fail as external drives over time). But now with USB3 and Thunderbolt, external drives are a viable alternative worth considering.
Mine are set up using separate partitions as 1TB is a huge room for the OS to go looking for things.
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Re: Internal hard drive?
2016/11/18 07:03:11
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Bit has a good point, always back up to disk.
I do this once a month. it takes for ever to do but it is well worth it.
I have a large water proof case I keep all my disks in to protect them from the elements.
There was a time I used to smoke in my studio and my back up disks(after a few years) even though were in sleeves,
were covered in nicotine. I had to clean each one just so they would be playable.
so learn 2 lessons here. back to disk, don't smoke in your studio.
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