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2015/12/23 21:14:29 (permalink)

Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options?

We feel we're being ripped off by our cable TV and ISProvider.

I know, I know - who doesn't, right?

But I'd really like to hear what some of you here are doing.

To give you an idea of just how bad it is, for basic cable TV, with 6 so-called additional channel theme packs, plus the lowest, slowest tier of internet speed - we're paying a whopping $139 /month. [No home phone.]

Ouch!!

Meanwhile, new subscribers get to pay less than half of that [for 6-12 months].
 
So loyal customers who've been with them for years and always pay their bill on time are punished with sky-high prices, while new customers are rewarded with savings. This is through Telus, which is owned in and operated from America I believe.

Our contract should be over soon.

From Google searches, I'm reading that there are various ways to 'cut the cord'.  

I'm looking into things like Roku (3), Amazon Fire Stick, Chromecast, Netflix, CraveTV and Digital Antennas.   

And the pros & cons of Cable internet vs. ADSL as well.

We don't watch much TV, and could easily live without it. Even the basic channels would be enough.

But tbh, most of the shows just aren't worth watching anymore, or are disgusting, or morally bankrupt even past that, etc. Still others seem ridiculous, downright silly, or just plain pointless in their existence altogether.

But I'd sure like to see what other options are out there.

I will need internet access for my business, as well as for things like these forums, etc.
 
But I don't download any movies or music, nor stream any movies.
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/23 22:14:26 (permalink)
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/23 22:30:21 (permalink)
I'll be watching this thread with interest. My "triple-play" internet, TV and phone bill from Comcast is $187.00/month. I don't subscribe to any premium channels like Showtime or HBO, but I do have what they call "extended" cable TV service. There's no internet alternative to Comcast where I am, but I'd gladly give up their phone service if I thought they wouldn't make it up by charging me more for the rest.
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/23 22:41:55 (permalink)
I just reduced my cable to basic, my phone to basic and kept my internet. I bought a Roku stick and an Amazon fire stick to try. So far I like Roku best. My bill went from $173 to $101.
Look into the Plex app. If you can find someone who will share their collection with you, you'll have more movies and tv shows than you'll ever watch.

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/23 22:44:58 (permalink)
We have a Samsung (allegedly) Smart TV.
Gives us access to Amazon, Hulu, Netflix and the likes.
I can't tell you how much I hate that thing...
 
Last Christmas, my wife bought us a Apple TV. The minute we started using it, we never looked back.
The only reason I ever launch the Samsung GUI now is to access Amazon video (and get frustrated).
Otherwise, the Samsung is now just a glorified screen for Apple TV.
 
Apple TV gives us access to pretty much everything other than Amazon, though we tend to stick with Netflix and iTunes store.
 
Incidentally, we just canceled our subscription to Hulu+ this weekend after we found out that all the Star Trek series were on Netflix.
 
Hulu+ charges you a monthly fee but you still have to put up with commercials. And recently, they've increased the number of commercials from 2 to 3 for each commercial break. 

I also love when I see something that I like and get the notification that "this content is only available on the web", not through the app. What am I paying for again?
 
So, yeah - avoid Hulu.
 
I also noticed recently that Amazon has pulled the same type of trick to extort more money out of people. There are now certain movies which are only accessible to people who pay for the Starz subscription, an extra fee that you need to pay on top of your prime membership... 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 00:22:25 (permalink)
Whatever cable package you get, 95% of it is junk. Commercials, trailers, promotional BS and all that annoying crap. Unless you watch 8 hours of TV a day I just cannot see the point of having cable. If you're the kind of person that watches maybe 1-2 hours of quality shows in the evening then Netflix or Amazon Prime Video are more than enough and only a fraction of the cost. 
 

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 07:18:07 (permalink)
2 words - Live Sports. 
 
The cable companies have a monopoly on them and they currently are the only reason I have cable... sigh...
I have an Emby Server for movies (Like Plex, but works on ripped DVDs without converting them). 
 

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 09:27:25 (permalink)
For the basic channels, which I assume you mean the local Over-The-Air channels, consider an antenna. As long as your TV is newer and has a digital channel tuner and you are within range of the broadcast signals, you can enjoy the local OTA stations for free. Actually the OTA signal is superior to cable transmissions because no compression is involved.

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 09:41:11 (permalink)
Hi,
 
Considering I work for a cable company, I do not have TV at all. I only use the Internet, and gave up on TV, because I do not like commercials and interruptions to the shows and such, are very bothersome for me and my imagination.
 
I don't miss it. And if Comcast, prevents me from watching a ball game on WatchEspn, they are only hurting themselves and their numbers, by intentionally keeping their customers out ... because they want me to sign up for TV, which I do not need, and do not enjoy due to bad eye sight!
 
I guess they want me to get TV for my ash!
 
I do have access to most online content from my company's website, but have not watched a single show for 5 years, and guess what they do not have on the company's websites? ... yep ... access to live sports ... so you know where their money comes from these days ... go ahead ... pay that $170 dollars for the Seahawks seat ... not me!

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 09:46:32 (permalink)
When I was in the process of cutting out SatTV (Dish) via the TELCO bundler, I was made an offer I couldn't refuse for DirecTV.  I got a call from Dish offering to cut my bill by $60/mo forever with no contract.  I told them they would get another chance when the 2 year deal I just got with DirecTV was done.
 
They used to respond well to calls complaining about price, offering a year worth of discounts and such.  Then they quit.  That's when I started looking around.  I was prepared to go completely with OTA and Roku/Netflix, but I do love DVR.
 
I'm down from $200/mo for POTS, internet and SatTV to $150.  That's $1200 over the next 2 years.  I'm happy for now.

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 13:32:01 (permalink)
We "cut the cord" about a year ago.  We were paying about $100 bucks a month to essentially watch three or four shows.  Like Rain we have a "smart tv" and got a digital antenna which gives us all OTA broadcast channels in uncompressed HD...which is great.  I studied the layout of the cheap streamers and went with Hulu and Amazon Prime (which also gives us free two day shipping on anything we buy through Amazon).  Just recently (again, like Rain) we purchased, in our case, a Roku 3 and after setting it up and adding all the free channels we wanted...which were numerous...decided to try HBO NOW...which we'll probably keep and let one of our other paid subscriptions go.  With the exception of not being able to watch The Rachel Maddow show one day after airing (my wife's favorite, which we used to dvr) we get everything we used to watch and much, much more for much, much less per month.  From my reading folks are ditching their cable/satellite TV in droves and true "ala carte" pricing is in the not too distant future.  We'd never go back to the old paradigm.  Of course it's just the two of us...no kids...and we don't watch much TV...we only have one in the house, which seems to have been quite an astounding fact to every cable or satellite provider who has come to hook us up to a new service over lo these many years.  So...YMMV.
 

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 14:30:39 (permalink)
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2 words - Live Sports. 
 
The cable companies have a monopoly on them and they currently are the only reason I have cable... sigh...
I have an Emby Server for movies (Like Plex, but works on ripped DVDs without converting them). 

 
Well, we get more live sports than we'll ever be able to watch and we don't have cable.  We have Dish.  I used to have DirecTV and that was much better than cable as well.
 
We DO have to put up with Comcrap for our internet service, but that's the only thing.
 

 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 14:48:27 (permalink)
No cable here. An antenna gets me local news, and Netflix provides all the entertainment I can possibly handle. 
 


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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 15:04:50 (permalink)
A couple of years ago, after Comcast (our local provider) had been slowly raising our rates every year, I finally had had enough. When their customer service would not reduce our rates (it was going to be hiked to $161/mo for basic cable & internet), I cut the cord and dropped the cable altogether and just kept the high speed internet service for $60/mo. I got a pair of digital rabbit ears and got free HD signals of local broadcasts over the air. About a year later a Comcast rep called out of the blue and offered a deal to get us back. A one year promo for basic cable, double our existing internet bandwidth (from 15 to 30megs up/down) and they threw in HBO to sweeten the deal for only $11 more a month ($71/mo total). Maybe because of past history (of me walking away from high rates), Comcast offered to extend the same deal another 2 years (until October 2017) when the one year promo was about to expire!!!!!! Being a huge Game of Thrones fan, how could I pass on basic able, free HBO and double my internet speed for only $11 more a month with the rate locked for two more years!. 
 
The point to the story is you have to be willing to walk away from your cable for an extended period of time. That is when your local provider will come back to you with an amazing deal to get you back.
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 18:04:02 (permalink)
We did this in the UK a few months back. We did have Sky(satellite tv) and was costing us £75 pcm for tv phone and broadband for basic package no sports or movies.
Now have Now Tv which bizarrely is owned by Sky got movies and extra entertainment channels plus freeview and record on our sky box plus phone and broadband for about £35. We have now tv on two different tvs plus two other devices. That includes unlimited broadband (not fibre but we get about 14mbps through our line) and all evening and weekend phone calls.

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 19:25:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/12/24 19:52:35
Moshkito
Hi,
 
Considering I work for a cable company, I do not have TV at all. I only use the Internet, and gave up on TV, because I do not like commercials and interruptions to the shows and such, are very bothersome for me and my imagination.
 
 



That is exactly what I cannot stand about the TV. You cannot immerse yourself in a show because of the constant interruptions from ads, trailers and promos. The music associated with these horrible things disturbs me deeply too. Every now and then in the gym I figure what the hell, I'll watch 5 minutes of TV. I last about a minute. 

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 19:33:08 (permalink)
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 19:50:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby sharke 2015/12/25 11:47:45
sharke
 
That is exactly what I cannot stand about the TV. You cannot immerse yourself in a show because of the constant interruptions from ads, trailers and promos. The music associated with these horrible things disturbs me deeply too. Every now and then in the gym I figure what the hell, I'll watch 5 minutes of TV. I last about a minute. 




From watching Hulu and being forced to watch commercials, I gather that there is a new trend among the people who come up with publicity - commercials need to make as little sense as possible, and in a lot of cases, to have strictly nothing to do with what's advertised.
 
I guess the tactic is to puzzle you as much as possible so that the brand name sticks in your mind. My wife and I often end up looking at each other going - what the... Can it really be THAT stupid?
 
I personally find it an agression on intelligence so if anything, it only causes me to boycott those product. On the other hand, the usual alternative, an agression on the senses, isn't much more successful with me.
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 21:07:37 (permalink)
Hey, thanks for all the replies. Some very interesting options out there, it seems
 
Much to look into, even though I already have been scouring Google for different things as it is.



 
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 21:07:47 (permalink)
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No cable here. An antenna gets me local news, and Netflix provides all the entertainment I can possibly handle. 
 




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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 22:03:45 (permalink)
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Whatever cable package you get, 95% of it is junk. Commercials, trailers, promotional BS and all that annoying crap. Unless you watch 8 hours of TV a day I just cannot see the point of having cable. If you're the kind of person that watches maybe 1-2 hours of quality shows in the evening then Netflix or Amazon Prime Video are more than enough and only a fraction of the cost. 
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That is exactly what I cannot stand about the TV. You cannot immerse yourself in a show because of the constant interruptions from ads, trailers and promos. The music associated with these horrible things disturbs me deeply too. Every now and then in the gym I figure what the hell, I'll watch 5 minutes of TV. I last about a minute.

Boy, I sure hear ALL OF THAT ^^^ Sharke!
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For the basic channels, which I assume you mean the local Over-The-Air channels, consider an antenna. As long as your TV is newer and has a digital channel tuner and you are within range of the broadcast signals, you can enjoy the local OTA stations for free. Actually the OTA signal is superior to cable transmissions because no compression is involved.

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No cable here. An antenna gets me local news, and Netflix provides all the entertainment I can possibly handle. 

This seems to be the way we're leaning - at least so far. We bought a Sony BDP-s5200 BlueRay player about 8 months ago, which has built in WiFi. It's already setup with Netflix, Crackle, and others, etc.
 
It also has a built-in option to connect to YouTube [although we would have to suffer through Googles ads there], but my Mrs. pointed out that unlike TV where, like Sharke has pointed out, although there is now a bombardment of commercials and other such non-sense, at least there's usually only one ad to sit through for each clip.
 
And of course there's just no end to what's on Youtube now.
 
As stated, it's getting harder and harder to find something good to watch. We generally don't like most of the shows that are out now and haven't for quite some time.
Lists of 'favorites, suggested, recommended or popular' usually just turn us off and send us looking the other way. We really don't watch much TV as a result.
 
We found a local ADSL ISProvider that charges only $30 a month for 325 Gigs Bandwith [with the option to go unlimited for $5.00/month extra], with 6.0 Mbps download speed [1.0 Mbps up]. No contracts or terms, 5 emails, SPAM filtering, email virus scanning and is a multiple recipient of Consumer's Choice award for Business excellence for customer support and Internet Service.
 
For those who suggested an antenna, can I ask you to recommend the one(s) you're happy with?
We have a Sony Bravia TV that's only a few years old, so we're good there.
 



 
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 22:28:43 (permalink)
At the end of your contract do not renew! And then just choose internet only package. As for TV get a roof antenna and watch the air channels. Now the phone find the lowest price and go for it.
 

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 22:49:54 (permalink)
Thanks Red. We're just gonna use our cell phones as we have been for about 4 years now. We see no need for a home phone anymore.
 
I contacted Telus today and confirmed that our TV and internet contract ended in November so we're happy about that.
 
They've offered us $10 discount a month, but only for the next 6 months, which is not enough to keep us.
 
I've looked at digital antennas and would really like to hear which ones some here have tried.



 
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/24 23:02:54 (permalink)
Here in Arkansas...I live right on the edge of the digital antenna circle. That why we decided to keep a basic cable for $23, but I could do without it. With a good streaming device, I'm happy. Next time we will cancel everything but the internet too.

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/25 00:13:47 (permalink)
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From watching Hulu and being forced to watch commercials, I gather that there is a new trend among the people who come up with publicity - commercials need to make as little sense as possible, and in a lot of cases, to have strictly nothing to do with what's advertised.
 
I guess the tactic is to puzzle you as much as possible so that the brand name sticks in your mind. My wife and I often end up looking at each other going - what the... Can it really be THAT stupid?
 
I personally find it an agression on intelligence so if anything, it only causes me to boycott those product. On the other hand, the usual alternative, an agression on the senses, isn't much more successful with me.


I'm the same way there Rain.
If I see a commercial too many times, it's overly annoying, it's way too loud, there's some screaming in it - like the new one I saw the other day - or I just don't like it [which happens to be most commercials anyway] then I'll boycott the product or service as well.
 
Especially if I see it [#1] and then another [#2] and then the first one again [#1], I'll almost start to feel the hair stand up on the back of my neck.
 
And if any are really bad or annoying, I'll even step it up a notch and actually send them an email telling them that all that money they spent on the production, actors and air space has back-fired on at least one person - and that if one person feels that way, then most likely others do too.



 
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/25 11:18:17 (permalink)
I know some of you folks are old enough to remember the original introduction of cable TV in the 60's, and remember wondering why you'd pay for something that was already free. 
 
Cable companies countered consumer resistance on these main points:
  • signal quality was better
  • there were no commercials (yes, kids, really)
  • movies were not censored or edited
  • having many channels made room for niche interests and educational content
  • it was cheap, around $10 a month
Point #1 was made moot by the switch to digital. Even if you're using an antenna (assuming adequate signal strength) the sound and picture are as good as cable (sometimes better).
Point #2: Not only are there more commercials on cable than there used to be on broadcast TV (which were limited by law), with cable you are required to receive multiple all-commercial channels that can't be blocked.
Point #3: movies are routinely censored and trimmed for time because cable eventually adopted the same on-the-hour scheduling format as broadcast TV. Some titles never get played for political (or PC) reasons. 
Point #4: where did the educational content go? It's all Bigfoot, ghosts and UFOs now. It seems educational content doesn't sell enough advertising.
Point #5: the cheapest package I can buy here is over $100 a month, and includes none of the channels I'd watch.
 
So the cable industry is in a tizzy over the rate at which they are losing subscribers (11% in the last 5 years, and accelerating). When I went into the Comcast store to return my equipment, there were 20 other people there - none were buying, all were returning their equipment like me.
 
Cable stocks are falling, and we'll see even more consolidation as the trend continues. Pretty soon there will not only be just one cable company in your town, but only one across the entire nation. As the number of cable companies dwindles, so does the chance that the remaining providers will adopt the innovation needed to survive.
 


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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/25 12:03:08 (permalink)
jimusic
I've looked at digital antennas and would really like to hear which ones some here have tried.


Jim,
 
I have the 'Winegard Sensar TV Antenna' Amplified Model GS-2200. I have it outdoor mounted on my chimney. Works fine when I use it. I see it currently on Amazon for about $48.00. You really don't need to spend a whole ton of money on it. In fact, if you currently have an existing VHF/UHF antenna, try that one first. 
 
OTA depends on your location. If you are close to the source transmission towers, you might even get away with  an indoor antenna (hmmm....sounds like the old days again).  
 
There are a number on websites where you can see what should be available OTA in your area. For example try:
 
    http://homeantenna.org/di...nna-reception-map.html

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/25 12:34:43 (permalink)
@ KenB123
Great - Thanks Ken!
 
I've found some on Bestbuy for $15. Seems you're right about the location and local interference.
So we'll try that one first. The reviews on it are as good as any.
 
@Bit - I was born in 1961 and remember our tall antenna tower out back, and Dad taking it down when cable came to town. We still had a black & white TV then.
 
I also remember ads being only squeezed in when there was time for them on Johhny Carson. He'd hold up a can of soup and say a few things about it, and that was it!
 
My how things have changed. Now among all the other things we've all seen and discussed in this thread, they squeeze a banner here and a runner there even during the very shows we're paying cable to watch - and that's between the commercial breaks FFSakes!
 
Even on the weather channels they've got something up in one corner or another.
And in the hockey games all along the boards, and even under the ice surface with the rest of the lines for the rink - Sheesh!
 
I wish Google hadn't purchased Youtube, because their ads and pop-ups are equally annoying.
At least with the small ones on the actual video display, they can be clicked off with the 'x' in the corner once the clip starts.
 
 
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/26 11:32:23 (permalink)
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I wish Google hadn't purchased Youtube, because their ads and pop-ups are equally annoying.
At least with the small ones on the actual video display, they can be clicked off with the 'x' in the corner once the clip starts.
 

 
Just install AdBlocker to your browser, video ads will become a thing of the past. 
 

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/26 11:37:48 (permalink)
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Cable companies countered consumer resistance on these main points:
  • signal quality was better
  • there were no commercials (yes, kids, really)
  • movies were not censored or edited
  • having many channels made room for niche interests and educational content
  • it was cheap, around $10 a month
...

 
You forgot the PSA's, for which they will plug in some quasi religious this and that (some of it questionable of course) so that it satisfies the FCC demand for a certain amount of these in every 24 hours. Most stations will cram them on a Sunday morning, or a late night thing, that has the smallest audience possible, to prevent losing commercial revenue.
 
Movies, have another issue. The versions are different for various reasons. The releases are like this ... prime/theaters, airlines, this and that, and then pay per view, and then DVD. The airline version has to be G rated, regardless, so a lot of words and this and that are muted, and passed over. The pay per view market is the same, since it is on people's homes, and they do not want any bad publicity from parents or the FCC.
 
Thus, now you can see another bad side of things ... the inevitable "remaster" (just like music!) so that you can add the other details that otherwise got taken down. And in some cases, it's still missing stuff.
 
But "music" is no less different. I saw the experimental show of "The Wall" in SF with quadraphonic sound and all that, and it was 20 minutes longer. Because of the LP limits, this got cut down to 80/84 minutes to fit in the albums ... and the rest of the material for the most part is half of the next album "The Final Cut" ... and some of the visual/video  material came from the film, and if you take a look at its "story", it all fits inside "The Wall" very well ... but everyone seems to ignore that! The TV side of things is even worse than that when it comes to movies and shows!
 
bitflipper
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Cable stocks are falling, and we'll see even more consolidation as the trend continues. Pretty soon there will not only be just one cable company in your town, but only one across the entire nation. As the number of cable companies dwindles, so does the chance that the remaining providers will adopt the innovation needed to survive.
 


This is, actually, the scary side of it for me ... and one day the FCC busted up AT&T, and it continues to grow and control the whole phone environment. because they had the money for the infrastructure that no one else had. Cable is tougher, because ... all that is left ... are addresses and portions of new areas that do not have cable and it costs anywhere from 20K to 25K (sometimes not including all the labor) to get ONE BLOCK's worth of houses wired ... thus, the return has to be favorable and the density very important to your investment survival.
 
Now you know that the FCC are a bunch of junkies and stooges, because they know that 10 to 15% of ALL Americans can not get cable, and NEVER will since no one can afford to wire those far out of reality locations, and the big corporations will not allow WIRELESS Internet, to those areas, because you will have a gross and indecent fight for every single company out there, not to mention that one of them has to put somewhere within reasonable distance, an antenna that costs over 75 million to be able to bring service to you! In a big city, that's is not an issue ... in NY/LA/SF and the like, you just replace the antenna with a better one because the cash flow is there ... out in the country? No such thing!
 
But this is the weird part ... wireless was invented more than 120 years ago ... and we still on wires?
 
That ought to tell you what you need about the FCC and the Government!
 
 

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