Into the ground "Herbhartley"

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2011/07/23 14:08:11 (permalink)

Into the ground "Herbhartley"

Hey everyone will you give me some pointers on this am i getting any better?
Especially you Herb...What do you think I purchased Ozone like you told me too so is it any better?
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=10879492&q=hi&newref=1
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    Jamz0r
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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/23 14:51:50 (permalink)
    Cool song.  Hearing the heavy guitars, I was expecting a face melting middle eight, but oh well...  ;)
     
    The drums and vocals seem very bright (I like the kick drum though) to where all the highs are stomping on each other, making it lack clarity up top.  If you're new to Ozone, beware of any of the presets...they are horrid.  Used properly, and delicately, I'm sure it'll be fine.
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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/23 16:42:28 (permalink)
    I was expecting something different when you invoked the Herbster.  It's good.  Something is bothering me about the vocal.  Maybe , well I don't know.  It's good, just something missing or maybe it needs a bit more effect.  I don't know but it's a good tune. 

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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/23 18:33:45 (permalink)
    Oh man.... Ozone is like digital ear candy.

    I didn't know what to expect either.... wondering if I was about to be blindsided or what...

    This is a cool song. I like it... sweet guitar playing.

    nits: The vox are brighter than they should be.  I'm listening on the computer speakers not my buds so I don't hear the mix as good as I need to.

    Getting Ozone is like the first time you cranked up the computer and installed the Cake software.... it's a cool moment. The presets are a good starting point, and with time, you learn to listen to the crits and make the adjustments....and in time it sounds even better. Ozone gives you a big step forward with little effort. Now, you gotta learn it and what to do with it... how to tweeze it.

    Start on the EQ.... roll the highs off.  Sometimes I will open a preset and it sounds OK but it might be a bit much... so I disable ALL of the modules and turn them on one at a time and make adjustments. I add another module, and do the same... adjust. Sometimes I will turn the modules back off. The secret is to use ONLY what you need to use and no more.  For example, don't use the Loudness Maximizer just to use it, or the reverb just to use it.  If a module does not improve the mix, turn it off.

    On the EQ.... roll the highs off and play it back..... pull the mids down and up, experiment and get the feel of what O4 is capable of doing. 

    I can hear a definite improvement in the overall sound.... much more professional sounding mix IMHO, you just gotta work out the details and you will be in "high cotton" as the saying goes.

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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/23 18:44:18 (permalink)
    Killer recording! I agree with Herb on the vox. They are very bright and thin sounding to my ears. Drums and guitars are PERFECT!!!!!

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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/24 02:24:01 (permalink)
    Gosh!!! thanks alot everyone I really appreciate all the input...And to you Herb I'm grinning my ears wigglin lol thank you so much i will mess with it back and forth....Thank you, Thank you, Thank you....
    so very much.
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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/24 06:31:41 (permalink)
    I thought this was brilliant. Very professional sounding. And really liked the song as well.

    Gotta agree with comments re Ozone. I've got it myself and can't praise it high enough. When you run an unmastered track through it, it's like listening to another song.

    Loved this. Excellent.
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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/24 11:08:02 (permalink)
    Yes... I remember the first few times I used O4... it was ...as was said, like listening to a whole new song....


    Learn the controls..... be sure to download the mastering guides and take the time to read and understand them, that way you know what you are doing "inside the black box" of the modules as you tweeze the controls.  It only gets better when you understand the theory behind the interface.

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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/24 11:17:27 (permalink)
    Ha.  I was wondering what this had to do with Herb too.  :)  Nice job.  Sounds like you've got some good pointers here.  Great song and well played and sung!
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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/25 02:26:54 (permalink)
    Thank you Janet I really appreciate that coming from you...thank you so much Danny
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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/25 07:40:24 (permalink)
    Mixed very well Benzofog.  Like the song; great guitar playing as well.

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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/25 10:39:30 (permalink)
    Great tune, and nicely arranged.  Maybe it's semantics, but I'd describe the vocals as being 'too thin' sounding.  In fact, I sorta' got that feel from the whole track.  Everything is very well done, but (for example) I don't 'feel' the drums the way I should.  Maybe this is just me personally or a taste thing.  IMO, Bottom line: you did a great job on the pieces, but the whole could be stronger.  Definitely worth staying with this 'til it comes together. 
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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/26 00:06:48 (permalink)
    Thanks Phil. Tell me what are good settings and simples effects for vocals? And how do I go about make the drums seem thicker and other things? I'm kinda at a loss. Your help would be greatly appreciated...
    thanks,
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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/26 07:15:12 (permalink)
    I use the multi-band compression to fatten the sound a bit. Especially works well on drums to put the punch in the kick.

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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/26 13:27:11 (permalink)
    Hi,

    I listened to half a dozen of your other songs on the back of this so you must be doing something right.

    I just don't know what it is.

    Cheers,


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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/26 21:34:51 (permalink)
    lostandconfused


    Hi,

    I listened to half a dozen of your other songs on the back of this so you must be doing something right.

    I just don't know what it is.

    Cheers,


    Vincent.


    be specific..... who's other songs...and what don't you know?

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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/27 13:38:38 (permalink)
    Hello Benzo,
     
    Cool song.  I don't know what is previously commented on so pardon if i repeat anything..
    vocals are a bit too much up front...Missing lower mid range EQ in mix....I can't hear any bass.
     
    It will really cook with a few tweaks.

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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/27 18:09:07 (permalink)
    Really like the song, but the mix needs some tweaks to my ears. Only listening on lappy, so not the best listening environment, but the very best mixes on this forum still sound pretty good on here, and this one isn't quite there for me. Maybe it's just a taste/genre thing but the overall thing sounds a bit bright and thin to me, mainly the vox and drums. Not really hearing the bass either. Don't get me wrong, it's good alright, but it could be very good with a few tweaks.
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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/28 07:47:39 (permalink)
    Hello Herb,

    On this occasion I had been listening to Benzofog's other compositions. 

    It's about four or five weeks since I last had a rummage in your 'back catalogue' - and very pleasnt it was too!

    I may be a 'bit thick' but I am wise enough to know that I don't know anything.

    Regards,


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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/28 18:10:03 (permalink)
    Vincent....OK... just trying to clarify..thanks...

    on the "don't know everything" ...yeah, me too. Still a bunch to learn.

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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/28 18:15:27 (permalink)
    VERY KOOL! Love the sound of the guitars. Bring up the bass. Vox are thin but like it! 
    Great JOB! 

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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/29 12:00:18 (permalink)
    Good song and performance.   You have some good suggestions from others above on the mix.   All you need is a face melting guitar solo to bring it home.

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    Re:Into the ground "Herbhartley" 2011/07/29 19:26:36 (permalink)
    I think that has recieved some good critiques. So I'll just say, this could be really good. It needs help in areas that will help bring out the the "down. down. down" dynamics. 

    Maybe some cymbal mutes.

    Good stuff. Need a little more oomph on the vocal too. Good work.

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