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2015/01/26 13:59:00 (permalink)

Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp?

I am testing the demo, and so far it's clearly superior to the stock Sonar compressors (PC4K and PC76). But is it the best I can get?
 
A little background. I like to use this piece in the track prochannels, before the mix bus. I don't play through any stomp boxes, my guitars are going straight in through an M-Audio M-Track Quad, and use anything from BIAS to GR5 or GTR for tone. I remove all built-in FX from AD2 before sending to the mix, as well, but I will drop a prochannel compressor there. I will gently (hopefully) compress the full mix at the master bus.
 
Again, is there a better leveling amp/compressor? Am I using mine in a way that doesn't make you want to slap me into yesterday? :)

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 14:24:45 (permalink)
The CA-2A is one of the most useful comps on the PC.  The only 3rd party PC comp is the FET, as part of the Softube bundle.  So you are basically stuck w/ the CA-2A, 4K and the 76.  The 4K is a buss compressor, and I use it all over my busses - guitar, drums etc.  It really shines there.  The 76 emulates the 1176 FET comp (softube FET is modeled on the same hardware).  I use it a lot on tracks and it works great for stabilizing levels.  On lead stuff, esp. vocals, I'll use it and the CA-2A, which is modeled on the LA-2A optical comp.  The CA has more "tone" than the FET models, or maybe it is because I have the Warm 76 here at home and none of the soft comps deliver the tone I can ladle on in the hardware.  The CA also has a gentler touch on dynamics.
 
I find all 3 valuable - the 4K ssl comp is perfect on the guitar buss.  Or I've found it so.  I'd suggest getting the CA - tho calling it the best is probably not right.  It is a great tool and does some things the other 2 Cake PC comps don't.  But running your guitar (or whatever instrument) through a nice analog comp (or channel strip) really helps the digital sound.  Not only does it do tone (if you get a Warm or Neve etc.), it also helps stabilize your signal going in.  You don't have to squash it, but just do a little shaping going in.  Then the PC comps can fine tune the tame dynamics and will sound their best doing it.
 
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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 14:30:05 (permalink)
Don't forget in addition to the bus version is the 4K Channel Compressor. Soon there will be another http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/10db 
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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 14:33:06 (permalink)
Have you heard a price on that yet scook?
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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 14:35:17 (permalink)
agreed, they are used for different effects.  the 76 is indespensible for controlling dynamics, while the ca2a is warmer with gentler GR- adding more color and harmonic distortion.

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 14:35:58 (permalink)
Probably the same as the current boz promo. Those who already purchased the bundle will get the PC format for free in an update.
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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 14:36:47 (permalink)
Thanks!
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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 14:46:45 (permalink)
Wow, a lot of very helpful information in such a short time. Thanks, everyone! There is much I have yet to learn about compression, and this is all good. I like that BOZ bundle. Time to try it out.
 
Am I correct in assuming it will be added to Platinum, or will it be another add-on I need to purchase?

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 14:53:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pencilartist 2015/01/26 15:06:37
Everything on this page including the +10db bundle are purchased add-ons not bundled with SONAR.
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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 15:08:30 (permalink)
Thank you, scook.
 
I'm assuming something else from what AT told me above. It's best to have the compressor first in the chain, not last, as far as single instruments are concerned. That would mean I also need to buy the strip model of of the 4K, or do some convoluted routing.

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 15:38:53 (permalink)
Coincidentally, Cakewalk just uploaded the video about the David Bendeth bundle.
 
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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 15:46:36 (permalink)
UAD LA2A. Hands down.
 
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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 17:49:42 (permalink)
Usually a compressor goes before EQ, tho not always. 
 
Typically I will put the 76 or CA2A on the guitar track and then route that to a (Guitar) buss and slap the 4K comp on the buss.  This is after putting an amp in a damped room, both which help "compress" and even out the sound.  I run it through an RND comp.  The comp hardly touches the guitar but does help even it out more before it gets into SONAR.  While mixing I use the above chains.  Again, not too much compression in any one stage, but serial compression sounds more natural to me.  And the 4K buss comp really sounds good if you have a few guitars going at once.  By raising the vol. of any one guitar (or if it is played naturally louder) that loud element can pop above the sonic horizon of the other two - they drop into the background.  Everything is separate, but the ear goes naturally to the loudest element - which you can control.  The ear is drawn to the loudest guitar just like the 4K comp pushes it through - complimentary.  When you get it right it sounds just like a bunch of recordings you've heard.  Pretty cool.

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 17:57:53 (permalink)
AT, that's a helpful outline of your process, thanks! I don't use any amps, just direct in. I do live mic only on my mandolin, and sometimes an acoustic I want dual tracks on (my acoustics are electric).
 
I agree about serial compression. That's what I've been working toward, and finding out which compression works best where in the chain is the goal. I'm torn right now between adding the CA-2A to my arsenal, or waiting for Bendeth's bundle. The decision is probably win/win.

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 18:13:03 (permalink)
+1 for AT's info on compressors. I will add that the CA-2A has been indispensable on many of my vocal tracks. It seems to add compression very transparently while adding just a touch of something (harmonics?) that sit very well with vocal tracks in general.

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 18:38:34 (permalink)
I really like the CA2A. Great on piano, too.
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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 18:57:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pencilartist 2015/01/26 19:00:48
CA2A is probably the second best emulation with the UAD being best, I have both and an actual LA2A, the difference between the actual hardware unit and the emulations is not minimal, but in a mix the emulations do a decent job...the difference being that a real LA2A actually functions like a preamp and can boost the signal in ways that math simply cannot do...so really its a matter of which math you prefer...the CA2A is a little "dirtier" than the UAD and that is probably intentional, but the UAD version actually functions closer to the analog model.

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 18:58:38 (permalink)
A question about Bendeth's compressor... I downloaded the demo. It only gets into the ProChannel of a bus via FX Chain. Is that correct? I placed it into a strip, then drug it to the bus. Sonar dropped it there inside an FX Chain. If that's the case, will the Cakewalk-specific version (assuming) be a module? I'd much rather have the module.
 
It sounds amazing on a drum track. Wow.

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 19:03:56 (permalink)
I do not believe the PC version is available ATM. There is an image of a PC module at the bottom of http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/10db
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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 19:10:41 (permalink)
scook, I downloaded the Windows version of the demo. It works on my PC, but only through the method I tried. Looking forward to a true module. There's probably no point in buying it before Cakewalk's release.

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 19:16:41 (permalink)
By PC, I meant ProChannel. I figured you downloaded the Windows version of the bundle.
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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 19:19:44 (permalink)
Ha. One more piece of the local lingo I need to pick up on. :)

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 19:29:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pencilartist 2015/01/26 20:53:43
That one trips me up all the time :)
Especially since Mac is brought up here like every other thread (really weird for a forum about a PC-only DAW).
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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 20:16:36 (permalink)
There are ample compressors out there and even a bunch ready for the ProChannel. Each may have their own merits on top of being one more compressor.

The CA2A works really well. Whenever you try it out you might just choose that one for the track because it smooths really seamlessly. Or, you might add it after you've already piled up other effects prior in the signal chain.

It's simply a really excellent module in the ProChannel collection.

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 20:39:52 (permalink)
I'd say this about any LA2A emulation, or the real thing itself: It's a design that's great for stuff that's not very attacky. So great on vocals, great on non-twangy bass, can be good on organs and pads. Less useful on guitars, drums, pianos, etc, unless you're after a noticeably non-transparent compression.
 
For the CA-2A, I'd have to check, but I think it's the only compressor I've used on vocals for about two years now. I rate it very highly.

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 20:40:06 (permalink)
I use the CA2A on guitars, bass, etc.  Great at just smoothing things out.  When I use it on bass, I use it as a limiter. One of the best PC compressors in my opinion.

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 20:46:30 (permalink)
I was going to try and add some useful information but what's here is all you need. Agreed totally with AT's analysis, as well as the others. 
 
Note that some compressors seem to "flatter" some material more than others. The CA-2A is the best compressor I have (and I have a lot of them!!) for my voice. That doesn't mean it's best for everyone's voice, but it sure is sweet.
 
Don't forget about the Sonitus Multiband compressor. Doesn't get near enough credit for what it can do.

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 20:53:11 (permalink)
It is a very popular rack extension for Reason users. Only if I could get a bundle deal where you can use it in Sonar and Reason.
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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 20:58:02 (permalink)
Craig mentioned Sonitus. I have a lot of experience with that one after years of Sonar, but never could make myself happy with it.
 
It's pretty clear now that you can't say this or that is best, just depends on how you use it and what you are asking it to do. What is also clear is that a great compressor is vital at the front end, not just at the mastering stage.
 
Thank you everyone, even if I can't address each one of your points directly. It has all been very helpful.

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Re: Is CA-2A really the best ProChannel Leveling Amp? 2015/01/26 21:01:59 (permalink)
I really like the CA2A.  It does what it is supposed to do. It levels a track nicely. 

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