Michael.b
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Is It OK To Mix With Some 16 bit wav Files and Some 24 bit?
Hello Everyone, I'm using Sonar Platinum latest version with an audio (wav) files only score;. Is it ok to have different resolution wav files in my mix, eg some 16 bit with some 24 bit or is this asking for problems? I made up my orchestra instruments (from MIDI) with 16 bit wav files but the studio has sent me my soprano session wav files in 24 bit. I forgot to mention it to the studio. If this is not a good idea then I can convert one or the other either in GoldWave or I expect this can also be done in Sonar. Just wondering if it is advisable or is it better to leave well alone. I'd appreciate any advice on this. Thanks. Michael
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Re: Is It OK To Mix With Some 16 bit wav Files and Some 24 bit?
2016/07/26 15:15:19
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☄ Helpfulby Michael.b 2016/07/28 14:19:38
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Re: Is It OK To Mix With Some 16 bit wav Files and Some 24 bit?
2016/07/26 15:50:04
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☄ Helpfulby Michael.b 2016/07/28 14:19:58
as long as they are not different sample rates, your cool
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Re: Is It OK To Mix With Some 16 bit wav Files and Some 24 bit?
2016/07/26 15:54:46
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☄ Helpfulby Michael.b 2016/07/28 14:19:50
As mentioned above, it is OK. To force imports to a specific bit depth, there is no need to use another tool, there is an "Import Bit Depth" setting in SONAR Preferences > File > Audio Data. The default setting is leaves clips at their original bit depth.
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Michael.b
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Re: Is It OK To Mix With Some 16 bit wav Files and Some 24 bit?
2016/07/28 12:29:34
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Thanks AT, Chris and Scook. First apologies for not thanking you all earlier, login stopped working for a while. I've added the soprano (24 bit) take to my other 16 bit orchestra tracks and everything is good. Thanks again for your support and best wishes. Michael
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Re: Is It OK To Mix With Some 16 bit wav Files and Some 24 bit?
2016/07/28 13:46:34
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☄ Helpfulby Michael.b 2016/07/28 14:20:07
Chregg as long as they are not different sample rates, your cool
SONAR projects can handle different sample rates in the same project; whatever is imported gets sample-rate-converted on the way in. For example if you bring a 96 kHz sample into a 44.1 kHz project, the 96 kHz sample will be converted to 44.1 kHz within the project. If you bring a 44.1 kHz sample into a 96 kHz project, the 44.1 kHz sample will be converted to 96 kHz within the project.
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Michael.b
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Re: Is It OK To Mix With Some 16 bit wav Files and Some 24 bit?
2016/07/28 14:05:16
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Anderton
Chregg as long as they are not different sample rates, your cool
SONAR projects can handle different sample rates in the same project; whatever is imported gets sample-rate-converted on the way in. For example if you bring a 96 kHz sample into a 44.1 kHz project, the 96 kHz sample will be converted to 44.1 kHz within the project. If you bring a 44.1 kHz sample into a 96 kHz project, the 44.1 kHz sample will be converted to 96 kHz within the project.
Well .. that's amazing. Sonar certainly knows what it's doing. Thanks for the info. Regards Michael
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Re: Is It OK To Mix With Some 16 bit wav Files and Some 24 bit?
2016/07/28 16:24:56
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This reminded me of a thread about up and down sampling I came across recently on the PreSonus forums. Is it true that upsampling audio is just "adding zeroes?" They also talked about using a limiter to down sample during the mastering phase. Is there a limiter in Sonar that has this capability?
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Re: Is It OK To Mix With Some 16 bit wav Files and Some 24 bit?
2016/07/28 18:34:35
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telecharge This reminded me of a thread about up and down sampling I came across recently on the PreSonus forums. This caught my eye: "It would be optimal file size wise to record all the tracks at 44.1kHz and set the Song to process at 96kHz, but that's not how it works because the realtime conversion would be too much once your track count started adding up." That's actually what SONAR's Upsampling is all about Is it true that upsampling audio is just "adding zeroes?" They also talked about using a limiter to down sample during the mastering phase. Is there a limiter in Sonar that has this capability?
Changing the sample rate of a finished mix should not change the sound or dynamic range at all unless the sample rate converter has issues, and SONAR's SRC is very high quality. This is why after you process at 96 kHz (or whatever) in SONAR and downsample back to 44.1 kHz, the sound is the same, and preserves the higher quality caused by processing at 96 kHz. (Standard disclaimer: improved quality occurs only with certain plug-ins and certain types of audio material, it's not a panacea you want to put on every plug-in with every track).
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Chregg
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Re: Is It OK To Mix With Some 16 bit wav Files and Some 24 bit?
2016/07/29 05:41:41
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I mind I pm'd Bob Katz on one of my old facebook accounts, was asking him about his choice of SRC's in the software domain, and where he chooses to SRC in the mastering process, he told me "functionally", all conversion after processing, i.e SRC after eq, compression, limiting, then dither down after SRC, he said SRC should be done at the highest bit depth, not after dither. FWIW as far as SRC's he said the only 2 apps he would bother to use for SRC was Saracon or Izotope's SRC, he also said he used to think rate brain was the best SRC for it's price, but even at that it still dulled the sound as he put it
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Re: Is It OK To Mix With Some 16 bit wav Files and Some 24 bit?
2016/07/29 06:01:11
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In all fairness to Sonar, he's probably never used Sonar let alone it's SRC capability.
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Chregg
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Re: Is It OK To Mix With Some 16 bit wav Files and Some 24 bit?
2016/07/29 06:03:55
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yeah, probably out of all the DAW's Sonar's SRC has always been up there amongst the best ones
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