Is LANDR included in the new DAW formerly known as SONAR?

panup
Is LANDR included in the new DAW formerly known as SONAR?

The Bandlab site features "algorithmic mastering".  But the example they provided has source material that is very weak -- about -25 dB.  It sounds like they simply applied varying levels of MB compression.  I didn't hear anything in that example that sounded very sophisticated.  I believe Bandlab has been targeting a very casual user, not "recording studio" types.

Yes, my Sonar Artist and Platinum have Landr integration, but I must admit that I opened an account with Landr and upload my tracks after bouncing the full mix from Sonar to my computer. It's usually quicker like that. You can also get a desktop app from Landr to drag and drop wav.s into for mastering. I use Landr as a reference from time to time, but since getting Izotope mastering tools I've stopped using it so much, so Landr integration would not be a deal breaker for me in any new DAW.

I'm grumpy again :)== yet another bloatware feature targeted at "non engineers" who think good well produced music can be done by a computer and the requirement to learn the trade is no longer necessary. 
End of grumpy mode. 
 
Seriosly, if your sngs areimportant to you and you don;t feel you have the chops for mastering, there are real humans who will do this for you at a very reasonable price. On this forum as example we have CJ. 

Cactus Music
I'm grumpy again :)== yet another bloatware feature targeted at "non engineers" who think good well produced music can be done by a computer and the requirement to learn the trade is no longer necessary. 
End of grumpy mode. 
 
Seriosly, if your sngs areimportant to you and you don;t feel you have the chops for mastering, there are real humans who will do this for you at a very reasonable price. On this forum as example we have CJ. 

^ This completely! I tried LANDR a couple of times a couple years ago and it does what anyone could do themselves. Mastering requires a pair of ears and a human brain.

meng
p.s sorry if I come across too strong on this for some!

Nonsense.  Your transparency and creative thoughts are well appreciated.  We all get worked up a little on these things because this is a passionate group of musicians, and I think most of us can see at least a little bit of the possibility beyond what a traditional DAW has been. 
I firmly believe that the world does not need yet another DAW that does exactly the same thing as 20 other products out there.  The things you are talking about beyond the "traditional DAW" are what could make this a successful venture.
Personally I had already taken on StudioOne as Gibson was faltering and then exercised the attractive offer for Cubase.  I consider both of those "traditional DAWs", each with some nice uniques, but still living within that confined "traditional" space.  As much as I have liked SONAR, if it were to be just another product to fill that same spot, I don't really need that.
OTOH, as part of a solution that extends deeper into the creative space, I am very interested.  I am really not a song writer as such.  I never had a talent for lyrics or writing catchy hooks.  But I often find myself wanting to capture musical ideas for further development.  That makes perfect sense to do on a mobile device or cloud platform.
Just yesterday, I had a fellow musician ask me about software to consider as she wanted to collaborate on the writing of a song.  It won't be the next Lady Gaga hit, but she really wants to go through the process of collaboration.  There really isn't much out there yet to fill that need.  I think the possibilities are great.
Myself, I am interested in how such a technology could be worked into some educational projects and master classes I am planning for the next year.

meng
p.s sorry if I come across too strong on this for some!

Not harsh at all.
I've thought since the inception of LANDR that it was a great tool but not a great replacement.
As much as technology is getting better every year, we humans cant be replaced.. yet anyways.
 
I thought LANDR was great for quick in a rush I need fast master for the car, something to compare, exc.
But never a solid master. When it was first introduced on this forum, Sonar users were upset to see it as part of an update. Trying to validate their argument it is not a replacement for mastering. And they were right.
Personally it didn't get my panty's in a bunch because I could care less.
If some find it helpful, have a use for it, great. If not spend the money where it really should be going, a professional.

panup
Is LANDR included in the new DAW formerly known as SONAR?

Not sure if your question has been answered Panu, but the answer is NO.

This is very good news!
I'm happy to hear that LANDR will be removed from SUDWSFKAS (Still Unnamed Digital Workstation Suite Formerly Known As Sonar).
 
Thanks Meng! :)

mettelus

meng
Sorry to all who are fans of it - it won't be included and we do see it as bloatware and dislike the fact that it is only properly usable with an expensive subscription plan.

LANDR was installed automatically with Newburyport without any heads up to what the installer was doing. After fuming on that for a bit

I think a lot of folks felt the same.
It didn't bother me much but I can understand how one might not want it auto installed.
I believe after the griping, Cakewalk made it a separate installer.

My 1st post on THIS seems to have....?
All of you describe my feelings about it FAR better.

Yeah, for someone like me who is a musician firstly and barely a sound engineer......mastering software is a good option for demo recordings i guess......but i actually recently came to the conclusion that recording my music in a proper studio with an experienced sound engineer and paying a real bloke to master my album through tape was definately the way to go.........and getting it printed on vinyl just to make it all even better.........still love sonar though for the writting process

meng
p.s sorry if I come across too strong on this for some!

Nope! I thought your post was to the point and didn't harm anyone. Explained well and love the fact that "options" are there...........Thanks for the post

LANDR is not _bad_ but there's one thing Landr site does not give any information: it can deliver masters to various online music sites but does it match adjust loudness levels optimal for the various places? Loudness war is over in iTunes, Spotify and Youtube and it's no use to bring levels up to the maximum anymore.
 
Quote from Landr site:
 
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Loudness

The last process in the mastering chain is usually a special type of compressor called a limiter. Limiters set appropriate overall loudness and creates a peak ceiling. Limiting makes the track competitively loud without allowing any clipping that can lead to distortion.
 
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As far as I know, competitive loudness is not required in most places, exluding Bandcamp. Personally I prefer -14 LUFS level; it's loud enough for any phone, tablet, pc or hifi system but it still has enough headroom for peaks. Last time I used Landr it was not possible to set desired loudness level by numbers, only verbally. I don't know if they have improved the interface since then.
 
$299/year (Pro account) - not cheap but maybe it's worth $$$ for someone if you want not only master but also release music in iTunes, Spotify, Google Play etc.