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2013/01/12 11:02:46 (permalink)

Is One 'Player' Better than Another?

KONTAKT 5 PLAYER
Sample Tank
EastWest Play?

I believe that most of you around these parts prefer Kontakt over the others. Is that because more add-on packs are written for one or the other or are the sounds just better?  
Are there any others to look into?


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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/12 11:18:43 (permalink)
As a player Sampletank is dated and very hard to read if you do not have 20-20 vision. The content, while not being the cutting edge is good and useful. Sampletank 3 is long overdue.

I am not familiar with the EastWest player, but its limited to their propriatory content.

While there is a vast about of third party content for Kontakt much of it will not work with the player. The will only work in player if the developer has payed a fee to NI, inevitably this excludes the free and low cost content. Requirements need to be read carefully before purchasing.

That said the Kontakt player is very versatile with vast array of built in effects and editing options. Features wise it wins hand down.

Once you have the full version of Kontakt the third party content available is huge. There is some fantastic stuff for free or just a few bucks as well as sophisticated high end libraries.




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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/12 11:23:08 (permalink)
I've never used Sampletank, but I've got both of the others. Honestly, I don't use all of the features of either. IMO, Play is a little less sophisticated than Kontakt, but they both will do the job. I usually turn off all of the effects and add them back later during the mixing process.

I think the biggest decision for you is to decide what libraries are available that you need/want and make your decision based on that. However, if you already have samples, you'll want Kontakt. IIRC, it can load most any sample, including old Giga samples (that I regret throwing out now).

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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/12 11:32:18 (permalink)
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. However, if you already have samples, you'll want Kontakt. IIRC, it can load most any sample, including old Giga samples (that I regret throwing out now).

Kontakt (the full paid version) will, but not Kontakt player (the free version) will only work in "demo" mode with the other formats 

Of course the full version of Kontakt is far more than a player, it's a fully featured sampler. If you want you can map your own samples, create scripted instruments etc., etc.
 
Here is a another free one that's worth a look http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2753892
 
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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/12 12:44:30 (permalink)
Thanks all.
Seeing as I really have no experience with how any of these things work I went with Kontakt.
Well that and the Ric Bass Bapu made me buy in the other thread.

I'm gonna give it a go.
Also it seems like most people here are familiar with K5 that if I have questions I know where to come a hollerin'.

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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/12 12:58:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I picked Kontakt for the exact same reasons - it had the libraries that I want, mainly, Scrarbee Bass. And Session Strings. I'll probably use it a whole lot less when we finally buy a bass. And I won't miss it for a second.

Sampletank doesn't really cut it for me sonically and is a pain to work w/ because of its tiny GUI. The other ST-based instruments like SampleTron and SampleMoog are a different story - these sound pretty good.

Personally, I prefer simple samplers, along the line of the DS864 that was in Project 5 or my trusty EXS-24 in Logic. I'm not into creating and editing über sophisticated multi-layers libraries, so these are more than enough for me.

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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/12 13:16:12 (permalink)
I've had full versions of Kontakt for years, and I don't think I've ever actually used the Kontakt Player, come to think of it, so I can't comment on it specifically.  If it's anything like the Kore player, then I'd imagine that it's pretty good.  I also have a couple of SampleTank instruments and many EWQL libraries.  Between those two, no contest - the PLAY engine and interface is really nice, but I can't even stand looking at SampleTank and haven't even had it installed for the last few years.

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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/12 14:57:10 (permalink)
Kontakt wins. I had Sampletank but the sound of it was less than stellar and they haven't improved on the library in years. I saw the TW16 comment and downloaded it just to give it a whirl. If I get some time I will post some comments on my experience. OH, don't forget Independence. I have the free version and it is pretty powerful. You may want to check it out.

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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/12 15:03:55 (permalink)


Kontakt.

It works great.

I take it for granted.

It never occurs to me to think of any thing else.


Thanks N.I.



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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/12 15:05:02 (permalink)
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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/12 15:52:58 (permalink)
I just installed the TW16s that was mentioned on the forum. While it doesn't have near the features that Kontakt has it is a pretty powerful little piece of software. No libraries that I know of for it. If you are into or want to learn how to build your own instruments from samples it is very easy to use. If you are used to Kontakt, Battery or VSampler. The workflow is very similar. This is just the free versions, 32 and 64. It just might be worth throwing some money for. The Pro version is way cheaper than the others we mentioned.

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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/12 15:54:46 (permalink)
Sorry, that's the TX16. MY BAD!

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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/12 16:05:32 (permalink)
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dcumpian


. However, if you already have samples, you'll want Kontakt. IIRC, it can load most any sample, including old Giga samples (that I regret throwing out now).

Kontakt (the full paid version) will, but not Kontakt player (the free version) will only work in "demo" mode with the other formats 

Of course the full version of Kontakt is far more than a player, it's a fully featured sampler. If you want you can map your own samples, create scripted instruments etc., etc.
 
Here is a another free one that's worth a look http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2753892
 
Yes, I should have said that. Frankly, I bought Komplete and Kontakt was included with that. That is a great bundle.
 
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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/12 17:15:09 (permalink)
As a player Sampletank is dated and very hard to read if you do not have 20-20 vision.
I use SampleTank's GUI as a benchmark for judging the quality of a screen image.  For me, only a Matrox graphics card together with a decent Dell monitor make it acceptable.  With any other graphics hardware, I find myself squinting a lot.



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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/12 17:33:31 (permalink)
I had Sampletank but the sound of it was less than stellar and they haven't improved on the library in years.
I like the SampleTank sounds, but unfortunately most of them seem to be single-layered.  I have tended to use them for background instruments rather than ones that will be upfront in the mix.

I'm using it a lot less now since upgrading my o/s to W7 from XP.  Initially I had problems with the installation and registration.  That's all fixed now, but it is still very slow to launch and Sonar projects containing ST are slow to launch too.  Also, when re-scanning VST plugins, the process seems to stall for a minute or so when it reaches the stage of scanning particular VST.  I've got SampleTron, Miroslav, SonicSynth and SampleMoog, but none of these have any problems.


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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/13 10:23:59 (permalink)
I've used all three, as well as other sample players such as Alchemy, Omnisphere, Dim Pro and YellowTools. Kontakt is easily the best of the bunch as a sample player, even though the bundled factory content is weak. The great thing about Kontakt is all the third-party content that's available, much of which is very reasonably priced.

Sampletank's aged, lacks modern features, and has a UI designed for 15" VGA displays. But I still use it on a regular basis. I predict that the upcoming Sampletank 3 will be a huge hit. If they're wise enough to offer a can't-say-no introductory price for it, I think it'll quickly become a standard - and IKM will be forgiven for taking so long.


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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/13 20:02:20 (permalink)
I have a feeling we will see ST3 during NAMM...

Just a hunch....could be miles out...




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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/14 21:18:25 (permalink)
Just got Komplete 8, the main reason to get Kontakt 5. What sold me, the availability of third party libraries. Will be looking at getting Session Horns and Session Strings.

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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/15 18:03:56 (permalink)
I really need to learn how to process Session Strings because I just can't seem to get them to sound good in a mix. Having said that I have never really used strings before. 

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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/15 18:17:03 (permalink)
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I have a feeling we will see ST3 during NAMM...

Just a hunch....could be miles out...

Didn't Obi mention something like late 2013?

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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/16 00:37:20 (permalink)
I don't particularly like Kontakt interface nor it's mixer section. In fact there's nothing I really do like about Kontakt. I still use a lot of Ni older libraries and stand alone instruments. I went with Independence Pro. I think it's a better interface. That being said - there are very cool things done with Kontakts scripting that can't be touched by most any other. But just over all - plug in an instrument and it give it minor teaks and it just sounds good - That's where Independence really shines. Very good quality Library. Sample tank and sonic synth have a lot of character in their samples - they're fun to play and I can get a lot out of them - but for some reason I can't figure out how to unhook the midi volume from resetting with in the instrument. It's a pain to set-up a layered patch and the mix volumes all reset.
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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/16 00:51:28 (permalink)
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That's where Independence really shines. Very good quality Library. .
I agree about the factory library for Independence. IMHO its far better the Kontakt and factory library. The Kirk Hunter orchestral samples, The Candy saxes and the Majestic Basses in particular are all really excellent.

The trouble is, as far as content goes, that is where it ends, as far as I know Lyrical Distortion are about the only third party developer doing anything for Independence.
 
I found mapping your own samples in Independence to be very straightforward and intuitive.

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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/16 16:57:40 (permalink)
I can't figure out how to unhook the midi volume from resetting with in the instrument.

Are you talking about ST going back to its initial volume when you play back, contradicting levels you'd set in ST? It's a bug in ST, I think. I've found that I have to let SONAR explicitly control ST's instrument volumes. IOW, if the value in the MIDI Volume slider is in parentheses, indicating that no CC7s are being sent, ST is free to do its weird thing. But if the slider is set to any value, then ST will obey SONAR's volume commands. I rarely see this issue because most of my MIDI tracks contain volume envelopes, which achieve the same end.





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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/16 18:43:47 (permalink)
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Re:Is One 'Player' Better than Another? 2013/01/16 21:23:55 (permalink)
A cool sampler which I really like and was free back in my PC days is DiscoDSP's Highlife. Might be worth checking out for anyone w/ simple needs.

http://www.discodsp.com/highlife/

One I have yet to test is the more retro Morgana, by 112db. 

http://www.112db.com/vintage/morgana/

These guys make awesome plug-ins, and offer generous 60 days demo for their products.

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